Nokia Finally Getting SnapDragon......For Symbian?
 

Just read a recent post saying that Qualcomm are supplying Nokia with the SnapDragon CPU for an undisclosed Symbian phone, due for release end of 2010.

With the success of Maemo as an OS (not from a selling point of view.......) its clear that it has the potential to be one of the frontrunners as far as Mobile operating systems go. I love Symbian more than most but after using both for a good amount of time I really think concentration should be aimed towards getting a high end MeeGo device out that actually hits the mass market.

What do you guys think to this news?

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If they stick to their guns and Symbian is for entry level and mid-range phones, it means that we'll see more powerful cpu's in the first MeeGo phone

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I think great. But like i read that there is a quad core mobile ARM CPU in development :) i hope my next phone will be equipied with that one :)

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I think, that it is unlikely, because Nokia is working tight together with TI. Almost every mobile from Nokia is using a TI chipset.

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Unlikely that Nokia will get Snapdragon? Well Qualcomm is part of Symbian Foundation since last year(yes that doesn't mean Nokia will be using it, but still) and if Qualcomms CEO openly says to Finlands largest newspaper that there will be Snapdragon phones this year coming from Nokia, can't be much more than that.

Some other points from the same finnish interview are that Nokia is announcing new smartphones in March and the phones with Qualcomm chipsets are meant for North American market.

Here's the article with pics of the finnish newspaper and some translations http://www.intomobile.com/2010/02/17...omment-page-1/

Here's something year behind:
http://www.phonemag.com/nokia-qualco...ces-026786.php

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Then again, maybe the N1000 will end up with Intel Inside to go with Meego. Intel Moorestown ULV Atom chip 1.6 GHz. I could live with that.

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why would you want a snapdragon in the first place?
don't let the hertz fool you.

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I agree, I'm fine with the 600mhz in my N900, I would've liked more RAM but 1GHZ for a phone is pushing it in my opinion. Battery life is also an essential for phones, we still need that balance between power and power.

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...or we will end up with an ipad sized thingy with a phone app :P

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I'm fine with meego as long as nokia will still make updates that resolves any serious problems, and as long as the maemo community will get a lot more application through qt development

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Have used S60 1st,2nd,3rd and 5th, Symbian has been working great for me as a Smartphone and more, function-wise it does everthing other new platform are doing if not more, just its UI is showing its age, that's why Nokia has been working on it and is giving us the Symbian^3 and more.

To most people, maemo or meego is too much for people who just want a phone + email + web browsing...
IMO, it's like people will pick easy to use and familiar windows or mac osx for their computer, then pick and learn linux

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i ll be happy if meego can be installed in n900. end of story!:P

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its no surprise nokia are going to be using high end Processors for symbian, after all the new symbian UI is hardware accelerated so its normal progression to use snap dragon and omap3 for nokias symbian^3 devices

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i want to have more cores instead of more mhz..
i would love to have a Cortext A9 in dual core configuration..

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totally agree. More cores more speed in processing task, consume less battery and less heat. Also more RAM. But why Symbian getting 1GHz high end CPU and not their flagship devices?

Symbian should be good enough with 400MGhz low end Cortext A8 since it is not a super mobile computing device like the top end. Most people buy Symbian because of the ease of use and not caring about the spec

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Why in gods name will you want snapdragon. The n900 hardware set up destroys snapdragon. Try playing a 3D game with snapdragon, GOOD LUCK. Everything is built in where as the n900 has dedicated GPU and CPU. Snap dragon is like a computer with the GPU built into the motherboard using memory from the RAM lol.

the snapdragon will win in processing stuff but as soon as u put graphics in the picture its gonna lag. if the N900 ran on snapdragon there would be a lot more complaints about the speed and NO 3D HARDWARE RENDERED GAMES

just think of it as a N97 running at 1ghz but no 3D graphic pretty much the same thing as it is now lol just faster. How crap. I would only buy a snapdragon device if the GPU in the processor was disabled and it had its own GPU but then whats the point of using it

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Neither Android is "super mobile computer device", the Mhz game is for marketing more than pratical.
Symbian has always been used from mid-end to high-end. The N95 was the phone with best specification at that time, and that's why it was sold a lot.
S40 is Nokia's low end not running Symbian, but they can sitll brand it with Vertu and sell it at rocket high price

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symbian, even with some wizzed up graphics, will fly on a 1ghz snapdragon. I think the highest spec symbian phone right now is 600mhz arm9(non-cortex)

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Omnia HD runs a cortex A8 like the n900

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It's a shame that even tech blogs are confusing processor hertz with type and # of processors.

I guess I could just add the 600 and the 430 and say my N900 has a 1030!

But all in all, it depends on code implementation. More now than ever.

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Dunno how many instructions per cycle Snapdragon executes, but Cortex A8 does have two pipelines, so it can execute two instructions per cycle. If Snapdragon has only one pipeline, then it takes 1.2GHz Snapdragon to match 600MHz Cortex A8.

Just to say that the MHz alone doesn't matter... As you should remember when Pentium4 came out... :rolleyes:

EDIT: Did more digging and it seem the Snapdragon "Scorpion" core is indeed dual-issue, thus equivalent to TI OMAP3430 (Cortex A8) Therefore in theory they should perform about the same level at same clock speed. (That is CPU only, the other aspects, DSP and GPU, is a whole different story.)

Some info here:
http://www.insidedsp.com/tabid/64/ar...pion-Core.aspx

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Great news!

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What about Meego phone with a Tegra or TEGRA 2 chipset? Now that would be ***** awesome!

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I've been an S60 user for a fair amount of time; Nokia 6600, Nokia N80, Nokia N81, Samsung i8510 So I've had a fair amount of experience with the Symbian S60 OS. I've also had a fair amount of time with the rest of the phones on the market (spent a year as a rep for LG, so I got to see EVERYTHING pretty well).

My problem isn't that SnapDragon is the biggest and best, Personally I agree with most of the posters here that say its not really needed on a phone and the N900's set up is more than enough for a very performance happy phone. But when it comes to it, I still don't see why Nokia are sticking with Symbian, I seriously feel that it just doesn't hold up with most of the market currently.

The problems with Symbian go further than just cosmetically poor, they have proved in recent years that they cannot fix the stability problems (the N97 became the most traded in phone of 2009), and generally S60v5 feels more like a poorly implemented port than a new OS.

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I assume a lot of you don´t know about Symbian^3 and Symbian^4?

Symbian^3 (showed at MWC) added a bunch of new features, including HDMI support, a new 2D and 3D graphics architecture (that allows to 3D accelerate the UI) and Symbian^4, due to the end of the year or so, will need a whole new UI on top of that. Don´t forget that, consumer-feature-wise. Symbian is ahead of Maemo... with a Snapdragon, it will be a tempting mobile. Probably their new Symbian flagship.

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i think everybody should focus on improving batteries now than implementing powerful processors. the current gadgets sucks energy from the batteries like there's no tomorrow because everybody wants a powerful device that can almost do everything while the battery can't handle those for a long time...

back on the topic. arm cortex like the one used for n900 looks way better. 400mhz less processing power but equal to a snapdragon seems more practical as it's more power efficient but the capability is the same. and i kinda hate qualcomm (or htc ??? w/c do i blame?) for a dissapointing 7200 chip on htc kaiser w/c was advertised to be promising when it's really not. i don't like qualcomm...

i also wish maemo gets a fair treatment like symbian is having...

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Haha the irony! I bet those Symbian phones with Snapdragon are gonna still have that trademark Symbian lag when going from menu to the next. :D The irony!

But thesedays the Snapdragon is so commonplace in "high-end" phones, that it's more a marketing thing than actually wanting to create a powerful piece of hardware. It's "trendy" to have a Snap under the hood.

I bet that the N900 will be more powerful than any Symbian running a Snap.

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ooohhh ... i guess than all phone owners can participate in the SETI programme :)

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if you think that than you obviuosly have no idea how powerful symbian is under the UI, its got many great core features that no OS can match including Maemo.

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Well yeah but if all we see is the end product with the UI slapped on the great core features? :)

I definitely agree with you and know about how Symbian is actually still very current, its just that the end product, or what they do with what's there manages to dissapoint (and bore) me every time. Just a difference in taste! :)

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For eff's sake...

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/...iew_looks_.php

Symbian lag? I got an E71, and it is way more quick than my N800... And if the UI bores you, a whole new one is coming with S^4 this year!

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Well I'm not that into physical-keyed devices anymore, but try out the 5800 for example, and tell me that flicking through menus is faster than on the E71. Well, you'll notice its the same, which makes no sense considering the amount of power needed to run those two very different resolutions!

I'm currently using the N95 8Gb for a while and I recognize the same lag in navigating around the menus, although other multimedia orientated things the device does with huge speed. My point is, that newer more powerful devices essentially running the same OS don't work as fluently as Maemo or one doesn't work faster than the other, so it's not even about the power of the device! Its something inherent to Symbian SXXth ed. I was used to it too, but not anymore ... :)

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Well, for starters, your devices have the latest firmware? Then, how it can inherent is many other devices (the newer E-Series devices would be an example) doesn't have such lag? Also, so far no Symbian device have the hardware that the N900 has. Maemo needs powerful hardare to run.

I would go as far as saying that your particular problems come from Symbian^1 struggling in bigger displays, because it wasn't designed to work with those, something that Symbian^3 addresses with hardware acceleration and memory optimization.

Seriously, do some research.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1hDe...eature=related

Compare it to an N8x0 running Diablo...

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Cortex A8's neon unit executes in parallell with the arm core too, almost like a second processor... And the DSP is of course even more independent.

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See here for the other side of the story.

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I THINK that is the attraction with snapdragon (as opposed to an Intel) the mobile battery life.

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I'm always running the latest firmware, trust me. :)

Well look this is just a matter of personal preference.

And sorry, I wasn't clear enough when I talked about "Maemo". I meant Maemo 5 on the N900. So sorry, should've said this at once.

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The real question is, how many people here new to Maemo would still get the N900 if it had a Snapdragon CPU (with other words, no multi-tasking beyond 10 apps and no Bounce Evolution).

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Whether most users would want something like this would probably depend on the Moorestown battery life.


Nokia should be aiming to increase the battery life with new devices compared to the N900, not reduce further from it. For me, the minimum should be 48 hours with a general usage pattern (not 'idle').


Indeed the dual core OMAP4 sounds interesting if the battery life claims are true/applicable...

:cool:

Nokia needs to remember this is being used as a phone, not just a portable media device or small netbook which is usually only switched on when in use, and not used throughout the day.

Also, Nokia could help the battery life situation in future devices by possibly using an OLED display (although an equivalent resolution OLED display might not have been available) and a larger battery (the n900 BL-5J has 1320 mAh, while the E-72 BP-4L is a 1500 mAh part).

:)

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There are also some Nokia mobiles which uses chipsets from Freescale.