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free self expression about NOKIA and its promises!!

We have noticed that people are being banned for expressing their opinion about the future of the device they just bought at an expensive price, and did not even finish paying it off. C mon you cant hit a kid, and force him not to cry. :confused:
PS. Please don't ban me cuz I wrote the truth. :D :D ;)

Re: free self expression about NOKIA and it's promiss!!

no they are being banned because they provide no useful information. we are tired of hearing things repeated over and over again. if you notice most of those accounts only have 1 or two posts.

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There's a difference between ranting and expressing your opinion. For example, there are quite a few people here that are unhappy with the path Nokia has been taking for a while now (even when the N900 was first announced). They haven't been banned, and in fact I value some of their opinions and thoughts (gerbick for example).

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They are being banned because they are screaming profanity.

Making valid points about your issues will never be banned, but screaming F bombs cmon.

I have complained lots about Nokia here, and I became a council member.

There is a difference between being mad and frustrated and being a downright freaking arse

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No one has ever been banned from here for simply expressing an opinion.

Not one person.

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 537807)

No one has ever been banned from here for simply expressing an opinion.

Not one person.

Wrong. I have been banned several times.

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@ weirdbeard: nobody is forced to read anything here. just read what interest you otherwise move on.

@ :) man: we are not gonna argue about words definitions I really meant "expression", they are not being ban because of the popularity of what they are saying, but because they are saying it.

I respect what u both are saying but we just see the same things with a different angle. kindly...

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Originally Posted by Tex14 (Post 537811)

Wrong. I have been banned several times.

Read the quote slowly and carefully.

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Originally Posted by izzox (Post 537814)

they are not being ban because of the popularity of what they are saying, but because they are saying it.

Again: absolutely false.

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Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 537804)

I agree with the "F bombs" idea. how abt upgrading the censure scrip for the forum??

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 537817)

Read the quote slowly and carefully.

Again: absolutely false.

why is that false???

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Originally Posted by izzox (Post 537828)

why is that false???

Because not one single person has ever been banned from here the for the reasons you cite.

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Originally Posted by Tex14 (Post 537811)

Wrong. I have been banned several times.

Just start up your own blog then. No one can ban you from your own blog.

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@ Texrat so why do you believe they are being banned?

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Originally Posted by izzox (Post 537833)

so why do you believe they are being banned?

I know they're being banned for extremely excessive:

trolling
spamming
harassment

...all very valid reasons.

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 537834)

I know they're being banned for extremely excessive:

trolling
spamming
harassment

...all very valid reasons.

I've read an article of NOKIAPPPFFF and just some few time after the post was suspended.however, I did not noticed any of the reason you cited maybe too much "F bombs" and I already stated my opinion abt that.

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Originally Posted by izzox (Post 537837)

You're neglecting to consider that these are new accounts from formerly banned members, some repeatedly.

The moderators know what they are doing.

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@ Texrat I think until he repeats what he did before, he can stay. he maybe learned form his first mistake.

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Originally Posted by izzox (Post 537848)

@ Texrat I think until he repeats what he did before, he can stay. he maybe learned form his first mistake.

izzox: again, the banning/rejoining/trolling is repetitive. No one is ever banned for a first offense.

This is the most tolerant forum I have ever seen. It takes a LOT to get banned here. As someone who's been around since mid 2009, you should know the nature of this place by now and not feel led to start this sort of thread.

I wish you could grasp this, trust it, and move on.

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@ Texrat: alright if this is how you feel abt what's going on. however, let's waite until people share their stories like Tex14 did, and we would see.

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I'd like to publicly thank Nokia for making device that keeps on being AWESOME. Many thanks also to the people here on the forum, developers and all the people that make it what is it! Thanks.

Then to point: When meego or maemo6 comes finally out, N900 will still be excellent. Similar example: we still use XP till 2011 at our work computers, it still runs and is okay. No need for Windows 7 or Vista.

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Originally Posted by izzox (Post 537865)

@ Texrat: alright if this is how you feel abt what's going on. however, let's waite until people share their stories like Tex14 did, and we would see.

Tex14 is one of those who has already been banned after numerous warnings. His former name was Guber99.

If you want to be on top of an issue, it helps to be broadly informed.

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Originally Posted by izzox (Post 537865)

@ Texrat: alright if this is how you feel abt what's going on. however, let's waite until people share their stories like Tex14 did, and we would see.

I have a feeling Tex14 only serves to prove Texrat's point.

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Lol I've never been warned by Mod. Let alone being banned before. I dropped quite a lot of F bombs. But my post is relevant to the topic. I guess if you posting something out of the topic and irrelevant and abusing other forum members then surely you'll be banned :D

Good luck on this one.

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Ok you guys (well-banned/Not-well-banned) we will not agree. Anyways this is not the way I expected the discution to go on over here. Actually I was expecting more things like what trotor said

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Originally Posted by izzox (Post 537885)

Anyways this is not the way I expected the discution to go on over here. Actually I was expecting more things like what trotor said

Some irony in that, eh?

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@ Textrat: whatever... and pliz in case u are behind the Tag stuffs pliz remove it cuz it's not what the post is about.

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what are all these promises I keep hearing about anyway. most of the news I hear are about upcoming firmware updates and such.

To me, this updates fell like what windows vista was to xp and if we wait a little while longer you get the windows 7 version. make sense? In other words the updates are just keeping us going till they decide whether or not to make meego work on the n900 or just make maemo 5 work better. Besides, I saw someone boot android off the n900 so I am pretty sure someone out there will make it work. so just sit back and relax.

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Originally Posted by weirdbeard (Post 537897)

what are all these promises I keep hearing about anyway...

They promised me a new puppy and I'm still waiting. :mad:

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Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 537906)

They promised me a new puppy and I'm still waiting. :mad:

a GSM puppy?

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Originally Posted by izzox (Post 537796)

We have noticed that people are being banned for expressing their opinion about the future of the device they just bought at an expensive price, and did not even finish paying it off.

First of all. Learn to write, or spell, or both. This is not 4chan, and it definitely isn't MSN messenger. Even the N900 or N810 have full keyboards, so use them.

Then, to treat your post in order:
- Who is "we"?
- Who was banned, when, where, and do you know the real reason behind it?
- Show me anywhere, any post, any person that has been banned for "showing them opinion about the future of the device".

Note: People who go in hundreds of different threads to say "feature x, I NEED IT, it doesn't work, Nokia are liars" aren't expressing their opinion, they're abusing the forums.

Let us not forget something which has been written a very, very long time ago compared to how long the N900 or Maemo as a whole has existed:

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One's rights end where another's rights begin

What I mean by this is that yes, you are entitled to your opinion, and yes, you are entitled to declare it, discuss it and fight for it. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights even says so:

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Article 19: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

What this means is that your opinion, and your expressing of it should under no circumstances prevent others from discussing other things in peace. Read this very carefully: Your freedom will never overrule anyone else's freedom. There is another way of expressing it: "Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. Now that doesn't mean you should shove it up my face, does it?"

On a side note, this forum, the whole of the Maemo Community isn't something that Nokia offers to you. When you buy an N900, you don't get a lifetime or irrevocable membership card. In other words: it isn't a right; it's a privilege. And if the administrators deem that you are disrupting the service for other people, you will be removed.

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Originally Posted by izzox (Post 537848)

I think until he repeats what he did before, he can stay. he maybe learned form his first mistake.

That's very nice, and once again you are entitled to your opinion, it doesn't mean we should listen to it. If a user is banned, it means he isn't welcome anywhere. It means his privilege has been revoked. Princeton defines it as "ban from a place of residence, as for punishment" and "expel from a community or group".

It is not upon the user to decide whether or not he has learnt his lesson. It is not up to you either. Circumventing the limits we put in place might technically allow you to come back. Tex14 is a prime example of this. He contacted us to ask us why he had been banned. He was allowed to come back, under the alias Tex14, but was warned from the get-go that he would be watched very closely. In my opinion, he's already gone too far, and should be banned again, but again, proving Texrat's point, this forum is so supple and so lax in its moderation practises that we allow him to keep polluting specific threads. Threads that matter.

So I ask you again, who did we remove without a good reason?

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 537807)

No one has ever been banned from here for simply expressing an opinion.

Not one person.

not yet...but if meego dont work on n900 and nokia give up support for n900 within a year. im planning to be banned for simply expressin an opinion. ;)

but until then...i will enjoy the n900. :D

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Did I miss the fun?

It's worth remembering that the concept of 'Freedom of Speech' doesn't apply in a private place. If you come into my home you absolutely may not hold an argument. I have thrown visitors out for it. Maemo.org is not a 'public space' per se, and and the admins have every right to restrict what people say. Having said that. this is the laxest place I've ever been, I think.

The last place I used to hang out had this in their Terms of Use:

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Users who the board ownership believes participate on the Trek BBS to troll, irritate, upset or harm the general BBS population, its staff or the board itself may have their accounts locked without prior notice or announcement in order to protect the BBS and its participants.

As an aside, one also had to sign up to this:

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In order to prevent abuse, you may register only one username at TrekBBS.

;)

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Here is my free self-expression:

Nokia delivered to me what they promised - a non-consumer device, which is rough around the edges and the 4th step out of 5 to a consumer device.

I'm unhappy about some parts of Maemo 5, because I think Nokia could have completed the process before release (e.g. long presses, no status bar in multitask or app view) and I don't see it as a big effort, just negligence.

I'm extremely happy about the N900 as this is my first smartphone I'm satisfied with. I am a smartphone user since 2005 (Nokia N90) - went through iPhone 3G, Android 1.5, several Symbian versions.

I think Nokia has messed up by not thinking about the Maemo-line and not taking care of the clear change plan, the upgrade path from Maemo 5 to MeeGo.

I did not expect so many applications already and I wet my pants, when I heard that Qt 4.6 is coming much earlier then I was expecting (Maemo 6).
Providing application compatibility between Maemo 5, Maemo 6/MeeGo.

I also expected that GTK will be officially dropped and I'll lose most of my fav apps w Maemo 6. Instead, GTK is part of MeeGo for compatibility. Very happy!

I blame Nokia for not being able to explain the Qt/GTK news properly and not making the biggest marketing out of this for current N900 users.

I wish Nokia would simply put MeeGo on N900 and cough up the expenses for maintaining a non-multitouch, resistive screen version until end of 2011. I blame Nokia for not answering this question already on Monday.

I am unhappy about Ovi Maps on N900, this is pure ******** (awaiting banhammer). However, if the April rumour comes through I will forgive Nokia due to giving me free voice navi.

I wish Nokia would now settle for MeeGo, so I could benefit from an ecosystem of not half-million devices (guessing?), but millions.

Nokia made me so happy w the MeeGo decision, that I'm spending my freetime (which I don't have) with learning Qt (I'm not a developer), adding wiki pages to MeeGo site and trying to explain to people, why MeeGo is the best thing for us N900 owners.

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This place has always been tolerant of complaints.

Here are a few of mine over the years.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=8783

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Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 8783)

I contacted Nokia support and they told me to send it in for repair, which I would have to pay for case replacment. I then started the "Manufaturer Defect" thread on nokia770.com. Where I posted a link to my picture of this problem, a nice big one I might add

http://penguinbait.com/DSCF91651.JPG

I heard from a few people before I looked over here. I sent a email to nokia yesterday demanding my case be replaced and telling them they have to recognize this as a problem and fix it in their manufacturing process. For those who said it happened in cold weather or after they had it for a week. I say, thats just when you noticed it. Although my picture makes it very hard to miss, if you look at yours this is very small and hard to see. Very Very easy to miss upon inspection.

I will post when I hear from Nokia this time and let you know what they say.

Has anyone had any luck getting this replaced from Nokia. I realize it may never cause a problem, it may never break and lose a peice of the case. But I don't want to find out a week after my 1 year warrany runs out.

A minor flaw on an otherwise awesome peice of hardware, I still love this thing!!!!

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=27675

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Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 27675)

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I just got off the phone with the Nokia escalation team and they are jerking me around. My equipment arrived on Dec 1st, no status update online since Dec 5th. Called escalation team yesterday, they said I had to call back today. Finally today, talked to some guy who was very rude, and barely spoke english. He offered me $240, instead of waiting for my tablet. I said no thanks, I would jusk like a replacement sent. Then he said they do not have any replacements. I said Nokia does not have any tablets in stock. I was told yes, but they could not send me a new one, mine was almost a year old. They could only send a refurbished one, but they do not have any. Then send me a new one I again persisted. Then he said I could buy one off the website for a discounted price (25$ discount) So I could buy one for 334$, and they would give me 240$. Then they said they would possibly give me some accessories to cover my cost of the difference, but I do not need any accessories.

@~$#!^%$#@*%#@!$&*#@~$%^ UGH!

I swear to God all I could think of the whole time I was on the phone, was of those Helio commercials. I just wanted to scream (after correcting him several times) ITS NOT A PHONE YOU DUMB BA$%^&#..... STOP CALLING IT A PHONE!!!!!

Seriously, am I doing something wrong, I swear to God I was nice to these people, at least until they told me I was #$%^@, then I got a little snotty. I think sending this in during the holidays may have contributed to this, but other people dont seem to be having this issue.

I can tell you one thing, that warranty is useless without a lawyer.

Anyone else send to Entronix in MN for repair? Anyone got any words of wisdom?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=25297

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Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 25297)

First of all I want to say I love my 770 and I love linux. That being said I am much happier with the applications available through the open source community than with Nokia. For something being touted as an Internet Tablet, it delivered a horrible email and browser client. Some say googletalk is great, I never could get a reliable incoming call, tapioca was much better. I guess I am grateful for the the operating system and hardware, or I might be running a zaurus or something.

Its just amazing to me that after the 3 version of 2005 os and the 2006 os releases, the email client still sucks, and the browser client still is unreliable. I can live without flash, and some video formats, thats what I bought, but make sure what you do offer is solid.

This ones a poll ;)
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=34510

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Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 34510)

Nokia has the worst customer service I have ever seen. I have never been as upset by any company. I am not sure if it is just a phone company, or what? Maybe because I work in the computer industry I expect more from a manufacturer. I loathe those support people, they are the rudest bunch I have ever run into.

This poll is about support NOT repair.. In other words I am not interested if you sent it in and it came back really fast and it was repaired. I am talking about if you had a problem with your repair process. For example if it was sent back unrepaired. Or it was gone for 30+ days and you contacted someone?

If they get it right its great, although I have not witnessed this myself. I have now sent in two devices, a 770 and a 6682 and took cash settlement after 5 weeks without 770 and I am now 30+ days waiting for parts on my 6682. They are just rude on the phone, they could not care less.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=31053

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Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 31053)

I think Nokia suport SUCKS, I have never had a worse support experiences in my life. After 5.5 weeks with my 770 in repair, I broke down and took the $240 cash settlement and bought a N800. I also sent in my Nokia phone recently. I recieved it back in about a week. GREAT, uh no, they did not fix it. I call in to Nokia and they say I should send it in again. I said OK, but Nokia will pay for shipping right. NO SHIPPING, NO REPLACMENT, I am so glad I bought the replacemnt warranty from COMPUSA for the N800. I will never buy another Nokia phone ever, whether I jump to UMPC when the N900 comes out, probably not, but you never know.

They just piss me off, like only a woman can (no offense to any women)

Advice? Yes, prepare to be disapointed!!!

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=39904

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Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 39904)

&%$#@&*^% Nokia Repair!!!!

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=71095

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Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 71095)

Well, I took my unusable 8GB card, put in in winxp and copied 7GB to it without a problem, when in my nokia, it craps everytime I try to copy any large amounts of data to it.

This problem lies squarely with Nokia, I am in a pickle now. Do I downgrade to lower firmware to save/use my SD card. If I do my touchscreen did not work properly on the last firmware, but at least it did not eat my card.

QA QA QA QA QA

Nokia, hire some people who can actually QA these things, it appears there is no testing done before the release. I have to believe if they had run the new firmware for a week or two, they would have experienced the same issues.

ITS CRAAAAP!!!

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=78308

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Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 78308)

After 2 years of Nokia's crap, isn't anyone else sick of being a beta tester. Its like QA doesn't even exist over there.

Its one thing to have a problem and clarify it and scream about it and call Nokia nazi's.

It's another thing to make no valid points scream about the greatness of iphones, and scream nokia is screwing you when they are so clearly NOT.

If you act like an asss, you get what you get. :cool:

EDIT
Its funny, when I go back and read some of my old posts, the more things change, the more they stay the same.............