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CrashandDie 2010-07-29 05:14
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
First of all, appnss, thank you for posting some sense in this thread. I've really appreciated your past couple of comments.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 768629)
The project is continuing, but as I said and the developer re-iterated in his post, there are many other things that take precedence - work and family, among other things. It's a side project.
Yes, and this is not something that has changed in the past couple of weeks. You didn't grow a family in 2 weeks, a handful of kids didn't ask for feeding in the past couple of weeks. Guess what, a lot of people here have jobs. I've been traveling the world and then some, yet I'm still following roughly what's what.

Again, if the amount of work is too big, ask for help. There are loads of people here who can help.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 768629)
These guys are real people, who have full time jobs, families and other responsibilities. You can't honestly expect him to go full-steam and producing a side-hobby for what is clearly a lot of ingrates who can't really begin to understand the scope of this project.
Wow wow wow; my moderator-hatted-me is going nuts on this. Don't give us that kind of bollocks mate. There may be people here who are just users, but I know that some of us definitely aren't. I can't speak for the vast majority of users in this thread, but how about you come to the next Maemo Summit (or whatever it's called these days) and have a look at the irc-fueled clique (we know who we are). Every single one of us has written code for Maemo, be it directly or indirectly.

Some are more involved than others, but the truth is, I think a lot of us have a lot more inside knowledge of how projects are managed, executed and written than you do, or even neopwn for that matter (from what we can tell).

Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 768629)
As for "promising and not delivering" - when exactly did a promise of a public release go out? Did an announcement take place about a specific date it would be released to the public?
Erhm, yes. On the neopwn.com front page. In the same post (or the one before) as the video teasers, it was indicated that a "a beta release of the first BackTrack Mobile operating system for the Nokia N900 [...] will be public shortly before the Blackhat and Defcon conferences in July 2010". This has now been conveniently removed from any of the posts -- shame that Google cache remembers.

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5...00729at065.png
(click on the image to go to the Google Cache)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 768629)
Did the developer completely halt the project? Is the developer not RIGHT HERE giving his reasons and an explanation for any delay?
No, he's crying like a small child, trying to find excuses so mummy wouldn't be mad because he broke her vase. 'Fess up. "Step up, or step aside". We're not asking for a finished project, we're asking for a release, no matter how finished. I don't care whether it's alpha and hangs if you stop turning around in counter-clockwise mode with a chicken leg dangling between your teeth. I just want something that shows where we're going, and how we can help.

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Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 768629)
I'd also like to ask, since the majority of you clearly don't have the skills to even assist in the upstart of such a project - what exactly do you need this distribution for? The packages that come with the distribution are freely available for you to get running on your own hardware. You can compiling something, right?
Quite frankly, I (and I believe most people) don't give a shoot about the distribution. What I want is the driver. Without the driver (or some voodoo that allows for packet injection) the distribution (or any of the tools) is useless. It looks like crap, like script-kiddie-heaven-in-a-box.

Quote:
Originally Posted by IRC
<BCMM> crashanddie_: wow, fixed-width for the interface font sure makes an app look 1337...
<BCMM> crashanddie_: i know it's a minor point, but it instantly makes me feel like the whole thing isn't terribly serious
<BCMM> like, it makes it look like somebody had to talk him out of matrix-theming his security application
As soon as this stuff is released (if it ever is), I'll work with MohammadAG in order to get the driver working without NeoPwn. Then, looking from the options we'll have, I'd like to see either a way to have injection working natively (without the chroot) and then port applications as we go further (and release progressively, in bite-sized chunks).

The last reason, I'm interested in BT Mobile, is that I am by trade a security expert. I have worked for many banks, governments, major telco companies, and I have a wealth of experience when it comes to encryption and penetration testing (check my Maemo or LinkedIn profile for further details).

And the last reason (bis), is that having fun with Bob from Widgets International at the airport is just the cheapest way to have fun, while waiting for delayed trains and flights these days.

hawaii 2010-07-29 05:57
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashandDie (Post 768698)
Yes, and this is not something that has changed in the past couple of weeks. You didn't grow a family in 2 weeks, a handful of kids didn't ask for feeding in the past couple of weeks. Guess what, a lot of people here have jobs. I've been traveling the world and then some, yet I'm still following roughly what's what.

Again, if the amount of work is too big, ask for help. There are loads of people here who can help.
Work loads change. What you are able to do, isn't necessarily exactly the same thing another person is able to do. You have no idea what might be going on in ones personal life.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashandDie (Post 768698)
Wow wow wow; my moderator-hatted-me is going nuts on this. Don't give us that kind of bollocks mate. There may be people here who are just users, but I know that some of us definitely aren't. I can't speak for the vast majority of users in this thread, but how about you come to the next Maemo Summit (or whatever it's called these days) and have a look at the irc-fueled clique (we know who we are). Every single one of us has written code for Maemo, be it directly or indirectly.

Some are more involved than others, but the truth is, I think a lot of us have a lot more inside knowledge of how projects are managed, executed and written than you do, or even neopwn for that matter (from what we can tell).
Then I think it's quite obvious my post was not directed towards you in that regard. There's a reason I didn't say ALL or call specific people out. But I am sure you can agree, based on the type of posters and comments tossed around in the thread, most of the users simply want a "script-kiddie-heaven-in-a-box" and seem to have no quarrels with berating the developers as an attempt to guilt them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashandDie (Post 768698)
Erhm, yes. On the neopwn.com front page. In the same post (or the one before) as the video teasers, it was indicated that a "a beta release of the first BackTrack Mobile operating system for the Nokia N900 [...] will be public shortly before the Blackhat and Defcon conferences in July 2010". This has now been conveniently removed from any of the posts -- shame that Google cache remembers.
The public beta will essentially have nothing of "real use to you" due to the fact that you seem to only want access to the patched wl12xx driver. Also, "shortly after" BH and DC doesn't mean before or during - which is what most people in this thread assumed, eluded to and then *****ed when no announcement was made within ONE day of BH starting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashandDie (Post 768698)
Quite frankly, I (and I believe most people) don't give a shoot about the distribution. What I want is the driver. Without the driver (or some voodoo that allows for packet injection) the distribution (or any of the tools) is useless. It looks like crap, like script-kiddie-heaven-in-a-box.
Not all of the tools are wireless network testing suites. You do realize that? There are still a lot of packages that will work fine without requiring live frame injection drivers. I've built a lot of the tools that are on the roster for NeoPwn, running native in Maemo 5 or within a small chroot. If all you want is the patched driver, I can immediately think of 10+ people who would be willing to assist you for a fee, although the majority of them are at BH, DC and BSidesLV.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashandDie (Post 768698)
As soon as this stuff is released (if it ever is), I'll work with MohammadAG in order to get the driver working without NeoPwn. Then, looking from the options we'll have, I'd like to see either a way to have injection working natively (without the chroot) and then port applications as we go further (and release progressively, in bite-sized chunks).
There's nothing needed to "get working without NeoPwn". The patch is a patch is a patch. Apply it to the source kernel, build the module and it will run inside and outside of the chroot. You could have done this, or contracted somebody like David to patch it for you. You didn't. You're waiting on somebody else to do the work. That's fine. But dictating how and when they need to have work done, when you aren't providing any real assistant - isn't fine.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashandDie (Post 768698)
The last reason, I'm interested in BT Mobile, is that I am by trade a security expert. I have worked for many banks, governments, major telco companies, and I have a wealth of experience when it comes to encryption and penetration testing (check my Maemo or LinkedIn profile for further details).

And the last reason (bis), is that having fun with Bob from Widgets International at the airport is just the cheapest way to have fun, while waiting for delayed trains and flights these days.
Then you should offer up your assistance to the developer. I understand you may have a bad taste in your mouth, after this "fiasco" as many would like to call it, but the mere fact that you DO use these tools in your profession, should bring us all together to sort it.

appnss 2010-07-29 06:31
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 768728)
The public beta will essentially have nothing of "real use to you" due to the fact that you seem to only want access to the patched wl12xx driver. Also, "shortly after" BH and DC doesn't mean before or during - which is what most people in this thread assumed, eluded to and then *****ed when no announcement was made within ONE day of BH starting.
Now I understand why you were so critic to people expressing their complaints:

It was not announced to be publicly beta released "shortly after" BH/DC (which could perfectly mean years after...) but shortly *BEFORE* BH/DC... and with big/bold remarks on the packet injection feature among many other great announcements posted on the site. And that was never even remotely questioned before the last possible day arrived.

The precise big words and announcements cached on google in the link crashanddie has posted, and many of us clearly remembered is the main reason for all the complaints. Nothing else.

Even if we assume that sometimes **** happens, does it seems now more logical and predictible the negative reaction?

Anyway, let's just hope that something positive can come out of this in the future...

Unhuman 2010-07-29 07:34
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Erhm, yes. On the neopwn.com front page. In the same post (or the one before) as the video teasers, it was indicated that a "a beta release of the first BackTrack Mobile operating system for the Nokia N900 [...] will be public shortly BEFORE the Blackhat and Defcon conferences in July 2010". This has now been conveniently removed from any of the posts -- shame that Google cache remembers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 768728)
The public beta will essentially have nothing of "real use to you" due to the fact that you seem to only want access to the patched wl12xx driver. Also, "shortly after" BH and DC doesn't mean before or during - which is what most people in this thread assumed, eluded to and then *****ed when no announcement was made within ONE day of BH starting.
You are quoting a post that clearly says BEFORE and u turn it into "shortly after". Nice :D

CrashandDie 2010-07-29 09:40
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lxp (Post 768640)
I can prove you 100% that packet injection is working with wl1251.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lxp (Post 768640)
I also want to note that I am currently not in the position to give anyone access to the packet injection capable driver, because I developed it exclusively for Neopwn.
Which effectively means you can't prove it. Maybe you can assure us that it works, but then again, we only have your word for it. And in these troubled times, and taken into account the fact you have no reputation to speak of, your word is moot.

"Developed exclusively for Neopwn". What a sad, sad day this has become. Sorry excuse for open source.

So much for the "100% free download" we were promised, eh?

maddler 2010-07-29 10:41
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashandDie (Post 768902)
Which effectively means you can't prove it. Maybe you can assure us that it works, but then again, we only have your word for it. And in these troubled times, and taken into account the fact you have no reputation to speak of, your word is moot.

"Developed exclusively for Neopwn". What a sad, sad day this has become. Sorry excuse for open source.

So much for the "100% free download" we were promised, eh?
I have to agree with CrashanDie. As of now nothing has been released and Neopwn on N900 is just a proof of concept. Perhaps the target was too high to be reached. There is nothing bad with that. But, now, accept that and (simply) change how thing are being managed. Why not release a public downloadable alpha/beta/whatever? That's opensource after all, isnt't it?

Otherwise as someone stated already that's just vaporware. A good idea that took nowhere. Sad, but true.

mistman 2010-07-29 11:13
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Maybe the maker of the packet injection could be persuaded to part with the code for a little fee, as noepwn dosnt seems to be going anywere with all this gioing on.

Just remeber every1 has a price

naturegodtm 2010-07-29 11:39
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
maybe the dev isnt clear enough because he doesnt know what he wants

joerg_rw 2010-07-29 13:05
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
developed exclusively for NeoPwn?
IANAL but tell me, was here some line mentioning GPL somewhere in the headers of the code this exclusive work for NeoPwn was based on? Or do you actually claim you've written a new driver from scratch?

[confused]
jOERG

CrashandDie 2010-07-29 15:15
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Then again, even with the GPL infringement, as long as there is no distribution of the binary, they're not forced to release the modifications.

joerg_rw 2010-07-29 15:21
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashandDie (Post 769310)
Then again, even with the GPL infringement, as long as there is no distribution of the binary, they're not forced to release the modifications.
Which might well be the whole point about (not) releasing it. :-S
/j

*Sonic* 2010-07-29 17:26
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Forgive my ignorance here in all of this

But is it not possible for anyone to make an N900 interface and get Backtrack Mobile up and running (barring the packet injection side of things)

Backtrack has been available for quite a long time

So is there anything stopping someone else doing what Neo has been trying to do, or has he been doing something so unique that no one else will be able to do if Neo decides to completly abandon the project or take a lot longer than orginally stated (end of July)

appnss 2010-07-29 18:41
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
[QUOTE=CrashandDie;768902]Maybe you can assure us that it works, but then again, we only have your word for it. And in these troubled times, and taken into account the fact you have no reputation to speak of, your word is moot.
/QUOTE]

Even as much as I share with you the same feelings of dissapoinment about all this matter, I have to disagree with that comment... if lxp doesn't have a reputation in this precise subject who has?

It was after reading his blog and watching the progress made with monitor mode and after that with channel switching when I made the decision to buy an N900. And it is his blog that I have been checking every now and then hoping for any news about packet injection.

It's not lxp who made any promise/announcements about packet injection.

For me, it is enough assurance that it has been achieved.

Of course I would love to see it myself and that everyone can benefit from the achievement... but now I am pretty confident that it is just a matter of (not much) time and I can wait.

kojacker 2010-07-29 19:13
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lxp (Post 768640)
I can prove you 100% that packet injection is working with wl1251. You may know that I have developed the monitor mode patches for wl1251. Some time ago Neopwn asked me to develop packet injection patches for Backtrack Mobile, which I have done at least of my knowledge successfully. There may be some testing and cleanup needed, but the basics are working pretty well.
My current intention is to get a full-featured upstream wl1251 driver in the linux kernel, so compat-wireless can be used as full replacement. Currently it lacks some features which are included in the Maemo Fremantle version.
I also want to note that I am currently not in the position to give anyone access to the packet injection capable driver, because I developed it exclusively for Neopwn.
Furthermore I have recently talked to Neopwn and he is currently working to reorganize the project so he can accept contributions, but that will need some time.
If you're telling me the driver exists and is working, lxp, then Im content with that. :)

I can understand why you would not want to release it early as the value of the Neopwn project is linked directly to this driver, because that is the nut which has not been cracked by anyone else yet. I hope Neopwn gets his stuff together and the project moves on soon, I'll be sure to chuck a few dollars his way too :)

appnss 2010-07-30 07:02
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by *Sonic* (Post 769424)
Forgive my ignorance here in all of this

But is it not possible for anyone to make an N900 interface and get Backtrack Mobile up and running (barring the packet injection side of things)

Backtrack has been available for quite a long time

So is there anything stopping someone else doing what Neo has been trying to do, or has he been doing something so unique that no one else will be able to do if Neo decides to completly abandon the project or take a lot longer than orginally stated (end of July)
There's nothing stopping someone else doing it or "so unique" about this project except that:

1- It is *A LOT OF WORK* to port all the bunch of apps included in BT... Not to mention all the testing necessary after porting.

Some are pretty much straight forward, in fact many haven't been (publicly) ported for the only reason that noone has even tried to. Others will need just a little work, and also optifiying unless they are meant to be run inside a chroot'ed environment.

In fact, for this project, a chroot, better if inside a truecrypt volume would be the wiser approach to lesser cross contamination with the underlaying os (almost a requirement for forensics work). Probably even better a readonly image for integrity +UnionFS+ rw truecrypt volume. If it is a debian chroot, also the porting of apps will be *MUCH* LESS.

And finally some other apps will be a PITA to port if not require a full redesign.

No matter how good NeoPwn is, or how many time he is willing to spend in that: This is not a single man task. BT wasn't a single man task and needed many user support and years to reach current state even if it was more a job of integration as porting was unneeded.

The only advantage here is that the design, list of tools, etc is mostly done in BT, and that multiple hardware support is unnecesary.

If NeoPwn has already spent some good time in doing this task, that would be the first, well deserved, "unique" advantage he has.

2- Main GUI/Lancher/Integration is where the real "art" is. This may be a one single person task, and in fact it is preferrable for consistency (of course feedback + some help is assumed to be needed). This is also the part that could be perfectly made commercial or include premium paid features, or whatever. It is the "heart" of the whole project or the most "unique" component if you prefer.

3- The kernel module or kernel with patched wifi driver capable of packet injection: While unrelated to the vast majority of BT tools it is usually considered one of the most wanted features. At this time, its also a unique advantage of NeoPwn as the driver isn't available for N900 yet. Considering lxp was the only one KNOWN to be working on it, it can be a "unique" advantage for a while.

NeoPwn is perfectly right in using that advantage at least until the initial launch, even more if he has paid or offered any compensation for that job to be done.

But it is only a temporary advantage for several reasons:

1- Probably the intention is already to make it public when it is considered to be ready for public release. In fact, lxp has said something about that... but lets not take anything for granted.

2- Once it is feasible, it is just a matter of time that anyone else will develop another one.

3- Unless the driver is not based on already gpl'ed sources any kind of public redistribution should include or have its sources available.

4- Even if proprietary and in binary form, and whatever the protection used (if any) it will be eventually circumvented. <- Being ilegal doesn't mean it wouldn't happen.

5- If the full project as a whole doesn't prove good in itself, the driver won't change that, and if it is, it won't need that advantage anymore.

In conclusion... it will be a matter of time that N900 has a public packet injection capable driver, more security tools and apps ported, and probably even some sort of integration/launchers are made... *BUT* it will be MUCH SOONER and probably MUCH BETTER if NeoPwn manages to reorganize his stuff and continues with this project.

sexpapst 2010-08-01 00:06
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 767949)
I'm also done with this thread.

You are some of the most daft people I have ever encountered. You want it all, and don't want to put any effort in. Simply based on the shite community in THIS thread, I'm glad that the project is in a stalemate position. I hope some of you never get access to it.

Having said that, it will come out, and when it does you will all tuck your tails and walk away.
then tell me how can I contribute to the project?

oh ... I can't because there's nothing released/public yet. all I see is a whiny blog about no one contributes without any possibility to contribute at all.

neopwn may be many things but it is not open.

inidrog 2010-08-01 05:00
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"Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar. You're gonna go far, You're gonna fly high, You're never gonna die, You're gonna make it if you try; They're gonna love you........ "

hellnick 2010-08-01 08:53
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by inidrog (Post 771813)
"Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar. You're gonna go far, You're gonna fly high, You're never gonna die, You're gonna make it if you try; They're gonna love you........ "
Can I be Pink?

percypogi 2010-08-06 04:07
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looks like the beta (private) is ready for pre-0rders, www.neopwn.com , i ordered mine, so keep the good job guys

Hotshot 2010-08-06 04:33
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by percypogi (Post 777340)
looks like the beta (private) is ready for pre-0rders, www.neopwn.com , i ordered mine, so keep the good job guys
Which gb did you order?

percypogi 2010-08-06 04:37
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The 4 gb class10

Hotshot 2010-08-06 04:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by percypogi (Post 777352)
The 4 gb class10
I think imma get the 16gb one. Will I still be able to put other stuff on the memory card too right it's just not for the back track OS?

percypogi 2010-08-06 04:44
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I think u can still put stuff inside otherwise whats the point offering bigger storage. But im no sure u should contact the guys of neopwn. I dont need bigger mmc as 30gb n the n900 ive got enough for my needs.

Hotshot 2010-08-06 04:47
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by percypogi (Post 777356)
I think u can still put stuff inside otherwise whats the point offering bigger storage. But im no sure u should contact the guys of neopwn. I dont need bigger mmc as 30gb n the n900 ive got enough for my needs.
Yeah thats what I was thinking, But I have a 16gb card right now so I would still like to use the extra space.

*Sonic* 2010-08-06 17:47
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I was about to order it, but at 38 dollars shipping to the UK I think I will give it a big miss

38 dollars to ship something as tiny as a microSD card is extortionate

it only costs about 3 or 4 dollars to ship something as large as a DVD with case from the ( I am assuming USA)

If something could be done about shipping I would pay for this current version

DrWilken 2010-08-06 18:10
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Same here *Sonic*.

30$ to DK.

jd4200 2010-08-06 18:26
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Maybe selling this was their original intention.

They saw how much this is desired from the N900 community, gave an excuse for stalling the project, and started to sell beta copies.
In anycase, why not sell it as a downloadable image?
In total, the cost of it and shipping to the UK is ridiculous.

Hope someone does a dd of the SD card, or at least extracts the drivers for us.

Hotshot 2010-08-06 18:30
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I ordered the 16gb card yesterday shipping was $10 so $110 in all. I emailed them and they said yes I will be able to use the free space of the 16gb card so thats great. So I might sell my old 16gb card when I get this.

naturegodtm 2010-08-06 21:34
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i live in greece . is it possible for me to order a an micro sd card?

naturegodtm 2010-08-06 21:35
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and why should i get this card? and dont get another one afterwords and install neopwn on my own?

DrWilken 2010-08-06 22:45
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Have You tried it? :)

http://neopwn.com/store.php

- Add to cart
- Check Out
- Fill in Billing Information (Greece is there)

You won't be billed before You've agreed (and filled in Your card info)... :)

~phoenix~ 2010-08-06 23:00
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wtf?? someone said neopwn will be 4 free??

percypogi 2010-08-06 23:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ~phoenix~ (Post 778332)
wtf?? someone said neopwn will be 4 free??

well if u read the neopwn website, tells you that will be free on the final version.

hoggerz 2010-08-06 23:28
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I can't believe that shipping to UK has gone up by $8 since I first tried ordering 7 hours ago! (it was $30 before) I agree shipping is ridiculously high (and even more so now) and the only thing that puts me off really as I was happy to support this project otherwise.

hoggerz

percypogi 2010-08-06 23:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hoggerz (Post 778355)
I can't believe that shipping to UK has gone up by $8 since I first tried ordering 7 hours ago! (it was $30 before) I agree shipping is ridiculously high (and even more so now) and the only thing that puts me off really as I was happy to support this project otherwise.

hoggerz
lucky me, that i ordered before they increased. i paid for the shipping 30 usd.

DrWilken 2010-08-07 00:02
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
Maybe they're shipping the microsd's in a big, heavy metal case or something? :) That would explain the shipping cost.

percypogi 2010-08-07 00:04
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i hope the packaging gold plated. LOL

hellnick 2010-08-07 00:21
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Good luck with this...

Daneel 2010-08-07 01:07
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
So, how log till this is on torrent?

ryanl33x1511 2010-08-07 01:18
Re: NeoPwn v2 = BackTrack Mobile!
 
this is not the final version is it ? of course the final version is open source , this is linux world,


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