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quipper8 2010-02-23 13:47

looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
http://blog.gsmarena.com/google-nexu...th-flash-10-1/

You have to flash a different hacked OS from newer device, but nonetheless it is possible. Maemo when?

johnel 2010-02-23 13:55

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Is Flash really that important?

We are talking about a proprietory internet "standard". Are we really that desperate to have installed on mobile devices too?

Nitchers 2010-02-23 13:58

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
I say yes, just my opinon, which at the end of the day is a bit like old ladies farts..... never really amounts to anything.

code 2010-02-23 13:59

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnel (Post 542652)
Is Flash really that important?

We are talking about a proprietory internet "standard". Are we really that desperate to have installed on mobile devices too?

Yes very important - due to hardware acceleration alone.

slender 2010-02-23 14:00

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
yes.this device has been marketed everywhere with word flash.Even offical n900 page has screencap of vimeo(sad part is that it is unwatcahble)

dharder 2010-02-23 14:01

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
+1

Flash is on most websites in some capacity or another. For this device to truly be a mobile computer it should offer a similar if not identical web experience. That's part of its draw for me as I find myself using my N900 for more than I expected versus my laptop.

ysss 2010-02-23 14:04

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are the following the main functions of flash (in order of importance) on the web:

1. De facto video player applet.
2. (Generally encumbered) UI/menu system for flashy websites.
3. (Fairly nice) multimedia content player; unfortunately the heavy flash advertisements outnumbers the 'good' content.

biggzy 2010-02-23 14:05

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Same here, i use my N900 far more than my laptop so its important that my N900s browser can do what my laptop browser can, im not expecting flash 10 on the N900 but it would be great if it comes.

Bratag 2010-02-23 14:08

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 542643)
http://blog.gsmarena.com/google-nexu...th-flash-10-1/

You have to flash a different hacked OS from newer device, but nonetheless it is possible. Maemo when?

Its possible on the N900 - there are several videos showing it working and we knew it was coming to the nexus as well. All this really proves is that android releases are leakier than an antique water closet. When its released main stream then I will get excited.

johnel 2010-02-23 14:29

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 542673)
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are the following the main functions of flash (in order of importance) on the web:

1. De facto video player applet.
2. (Generally encumbered) UI/menu system for flashy websites.
3. (Fairly nice) multimedia content player; unfortunately the heavy flash advertisements outnumbers the 'good' content.


I just think Flash is bloated, a resource hog and generally an online video player (a bad one at that but people thinj the ui is so "shiney"!).

I just think upgrading the n900 browser with html 5 tags (e.g. video tags) would be better.

There are sites out there that already have "beta" versions of html 5 video-enabled pages.

I just think Flash is over-rated.

Bratag 2010-02-23 14:42

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnel (Post 542708)
I just think Flash is bloated, a resource hog and generally an online video player (a bad one at that but people thinj the ui is so "shiney"!).

I just think upgrading the n900 browser with html 5 tags (e.g. video tags) would be better.

There are sites out there that already have "beta" versions of html 5 video-enabled pages.

I just think Flash is over-rated.

Couldnt agree more - unfortunately its very prevalent throughout the web so in order to be successful a platform must support it.

johnel 2010-02-23 14:47

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 542727)
Couldnt agree more - unfortunately its very prevalent throughout the web so in order to be successful a platform must support it.


(*Johnel gets changed into flame-proof suit *)

It never stopped iPhone! :)

starman 2010-02-23 14:58

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
I really dont understand the need for flash on mobile devices, its not like we can take full advantage of these sites anyway as there made with mouse input in mind.

to be honest all this whining about flash is because people think their missing out on something, if flash wasnt around would we all be listening to users crying wolf at the lack Vimeo support on their mobile devices??

quipper8 2010-02-23 15:05

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 542677)
Its possible on the N900 - there are several videos showing it working and we knew it was coming to the nexus as well. All this really proves is that android releases are leakier than an antique water closet. When its released main stream then I will get excited.

here are the instructions for installing flash 10.1 on your nexus one

http://www.redmondpie.com/download-h...sense-9140467/

where are they for n900?

I don't care about mainstream, that is why i have an n900.

johnel 2010-02-23 15:10

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by starman (Post 542757)
I really dont understand the need for flash on mobile devices, its not like we can take full advantage of these sites anyway as there made with mouse input in mind.

to be honest all this whining about flash is because people think their missing out on something, if flash wasnt around would we all be listening to users crying wolf at the lack Vimeo support on their mobile devices??

Things like 100% cpu utilisation & battery drain, hardware-accellerated gl-based card reduced to showing video, video-advertising eating into your bandwidth.

:)

ysss 2010-02-23 16:23

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnel (Post 542708)
I just think Flash is bloated, a resource hog and generally an online video player (a bad one at that but people thinj the ui is so "shiney"!).

I just think upgrading the n900 browser with html 5 tags (e.g. video tags) would be better.

There are sites out there that already have "beta" versions of html 5 video-enabled pages.

I just think Flash is over-rated.

I completely agree and that's what made me nauseous when I read someone attacking iPhone for not 'having full desktop experience' on its browser because it doesn't have Flash (and then talk crap about proprietary and closed systems).

Fargus 2010-02-23 16:33

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnel (Post 542735)
(*Johnel gets changed into flame-proof suit *)

It never stopped iPhone! :)

A brave, brave man! LOL

Made me laugh very loudly - thanks for the chuckle! :D

Flandry 2010-02-23 16:35

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 542774)
here are the instructions for installing flash 10.1 on your nexus one

http://www.redmondpie.com/download-h...sense-9140467/

where are they for n900?

I don't care about mainstream, that is why i have an n900.

I find it funny you ask where the instructions are for installing the cutting edge mainstream cycle hogger in one sentence and then say you don't care about mainstream the next. :D

But seriously, we've been down this avenue of discussion before and obviously faster flash would be better. Why there has to be hardware acceleration for it to work faster than cold tar is a mystery to me, but so be it.

It will come when it comes...

lfcobra 2010-02-23 16:38

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
i would love for flash to be replaced using something that is an open standard like html5 but the fact of the matter is that about 1/3 of all internet sites use some sort of flash and to expect them all to rewrite their webpages is rediculous. I use my n900 as much if not more than my laptop so it needs to be able to visit every site that my laptop can, so yes it really does need flash 10.1 just so it can handle those heavy flash sites.

slender 2010-02-23 16:41

Re: looks like flash 10.1 first on nexus one
 
I wouldn't mind if flash will be released as beta. It would go in line with maemo on this phone :P


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