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james.bottomtooth 2007-05-12 06:27
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
why did Nokia hide the FM radio feature originally?

and still doesn't list it as part of functionality....

Karel Jansens 2007-05-12 13:19
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by james.bottomtooth (Post 48172)
why did Nokia hide the FM radio feature originally?

and still doesn't list it as part of functionality....
To come over as a non-evil corporation that gives stuff away to its customers/users.

Duh... :D

Texrat 2007-05-12 15:24
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
I'm betting that the FM radio was one of those "if we get it working, great, if not, it isn't a core feature" and was given low priority. If development on a nonessential feature lags, ship the device and surprise the buyers later. Note that this is NOT an official statement. I was surprised, too. ;)

jpj 2007-05-13 17:31
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Keeping the FM function "unofficial" could also suggest that the external antenna requirement is recognized as a usability issue in terms of customer expectations. People are used to small portable radios working as-is (even if extending a built-in antenna improves reception) and won't necessarily be happy about this constraint, even if they look far enough to find the explanation. Leaving it off the feature list means one less source of "bug" reports. Better to deliver more than you promise, than to promise something you can only partially deliver.

xandor 2007-06-03 16:51
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
FWIW, in my experience it's fairly standard for small, portable FM tuners to use (require) the headphones for an antenna (AM is a different matter).

WestEdge 2007-07-11 00:15
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TA-t3 (Post 33895)
@rcull: Thanks for the tip about alarmtool!
I haven't tried it yet, and there's a lot of other experimenting I'm not done with (had to sleep a bit too..), but one thing I noticed is that it appears to be always starting up in earbud mode.. for it to work as a clock radio it should start in speaker mode, or, to be precise, it should always start in the mode it was last set to. At least it seems to switch to earbud mode when I put in the antenna, haven't yet tried to leave it in and stop/start.

As for the sound level, it seems ok if I listen to the earbuds, but the speakers sound much lower to me than the internet radio, at the same volume settings. Strong stations are louder than weak stations, but still not very loud.
Has anyone figured out how to have the FM radio either start up with an alarm or even better for me, automatically record an FM program for later listening, i.e., time-shifting. (Sometimes there is no internet radio version; sometimes there is a long delay before a podcast is available.)

Thanks.

TA-t3 2007-07-11 11:14
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If the source for these apps. were made available we could just fix all these user requirements ourselves instead of sitting on our butts and wait for Nokia. Sigh. Beating a half-dead horse, I know..

(I anyone knows something about source repositories that has passed me by, please let me know :))

elwood grain 2007-08-09 19:21
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
here is a thought, does anybody know if this is possible?

the n800 is equipped with an fm radio. this is cool and all, but i just installed ukmp and in my opinion browsing through cd's is way better than listening to commercialized music. Is there a way to utilize the FM radio and write software to turn it into a FM transmitter. It would be really slick to be cruisin in the car and wirelessly jam out to my mp3's

I dont know how any of the electronics for a transmitter works, but i thought i would just throw my idea out there

Karel Jansens 2007-08-09 19:39
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elwood grain (Post 67132)
here is a thought, does anybody know if this is possible?

the n800 is equipped with an fm radio. this is cool and all, but i just installed ukmp and in my opinion browsing through cd's is way better than listening to commercialized music. Is there a way to utilize the FM radio and write software to turn it into a FM transmitter. It would be really slick to be cruisin in the car and wirelessly jam out to my mp3's

I dont know how any of the electronics for a transmitter works, but i thought i would just throw my idea out there
I don't think it's possible to turn an FM receiver into a transmitter with software.

OTOH, there a quite a lot of FM gizmos on the market that will plug into the N800's 3.5 mm jack and transmit stuff to your radio. Some of them cost less than a moderate quality pair of earphones.

bkrownd 2007-09-17 17:42
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Unfortunately the earphone volume on the n800 is really weak, and would be very difficult to hear on a typical city street. I may try noise-cancelling earphones, but I'm wondering if it's possible to get much more volume out of higher quality earphones?

lbattraw 2007-09-17 18:03
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bkrownd (Post 76050)
Unfortunately the earphone volume on the n800 is really weak, and would be very difficult to hear on a typical city street. I may try noise-cancelling earphones, but I'm wondering if it's possible to get much more volume out of higher quality earphones?
In a word, YES. Particularly the in-ear earphones that seal out background noise. Sometimes even some of quietest music can be pretty loud with the volume down low. The headphones don't need to be something really expensive ($30 - $40 is fine) to really sound nice and be very loud. I've tried Audio-Technica, Denon, Panasonic RP-55, and some of the more expensive ones-- they all generally sound good, though the more expensive ones may not that as nice, honestly. If you're in the US I'd suggest a $7 in-line volume adjuster (from Radio Shack) so you can get the volume as quiet as you want without any "hiss" or noise since the headphones are really sensitive.

Larry

james.bottomtooth 2007-09-17 22:13
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bkrownd (Post 76050)
Unfortunately the earphone volume on the n800 is really weak
in my experience if you tweak volume control up-down in both FM-Radio application and "system status bar widget" you can get it do a decent volume.
i think this bug has been reported before?

Texrat 2007-09-17 23:01
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Is it actually a bug? Seems to me it's just master volume and application volume... like on a PC...

Anyway, no problems with earphone sounds for me. Obviously phones make the difference?

gammer 2007-09-17 23:09
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bkrownd (Post 76050)
Unfortunately the earphone volume on the n800 is really weak, and would be very difficult to hear on a typical city street. I may try noise-cancelling earphones, but I'm wondering if it's possible to get much more volume out of higher quality earphones?
I use the earphones from the N770 with the N800. They are much louder and do sound better than the N800 originals. No mic, of course...

james.bottomtooth 2007-09-17 23:27
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 76106)
Is it actually a bug?
i take it you are right. i just didn't expect 2 different volume controls, but it makes sense with one being master.

bkrownd 2007-09-18 05:17
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
I'm using the earbuds that come with the n800. They're barely audible in a moving car with all the volume controls cranked up. Add a little bit of FM static and it's very frustrating. Tomorrow maybe I'll try some earmuffs over them. :)

Texrat 2007-09-18 13:51
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
I always use 3rd party buds. Much better fit and sound.

TA-t3 2007-09-18 15:30
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Yes, there are 2 volume controls: Master, and the "local" FM Radio volume. One thing to be aware of though is that the FM Radio volume depends on the signal strength: Hi-signal stations are both loud and clear, low-signal stations may need both volume controls cranked to full (and it may drop down to mono too).

frasej 2007-09-18 17:30
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Can the radio be launched without the desktop applet? I need the screen realestate for other items.

james.bottomtooth 2007-09-20 00:52
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 76106)
Is it actually a bug?
actually i remember there was something buggy about it! (not that i like being negative about N800 bugs, but i knew i remember something goofy about it)

using FM radio 1.4.6 from the application window:

1) set radio volume at about 50% and master volume at about 50%.
2) turn the radio volume to 100%
3) turn the master volume to 100%
4) go back radio application and tweak volume down a bit and up to 100% - now the volume is even louder.

at least that's what i have noticed on my set up. repeatable every time. the reason why i noticed it is because i don't keep N800 volume all the way up all the time, and those times i want to increase the volume to max i need to do that juggle.

james.bottomtooth 2007-09-20 00:57
Re: The Nokia N800 Internet Tablet has FM Radio Built-in!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by frasej (Post 76253)
Can the radio be launched without the desktop applet? I need the screen realestate for other items.
you can start it from the terminal with 'fmradio' command or Graph Plugin for the status bar, which is pretty nifty.

however desktop applet is also an alternative to tune/change station without launching a new application window


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