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steev182 2010-03-15 13:41
Re: Android is not compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33
 
That's the thing, the Android kernel is now a fork of the Linux kernel. That means that it isn't as much a Linux device is as Maemo devices are.

SubCore 2010-03-15 13:46
Re: Android is not compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joelee (Post 567768)
On that note, I still stand-by my points:

1) Android devices are as "Linux" as Maemo devices (Notice the keyword here is "devices")
2) Android applications are more restricted to access the Linux layer than Maemo (Android apps is comparable to Java apps on the desktop, and Maemo apps to glibc/X libs/gtk apps)
3) Android is compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33 (I'm running it now)
yes, as i said before, technically you are right, "Linux" is just the kernel.

what i'm critizising is the fact that the way google is advertising android, you'd think you get the whole "linux" deal, which is not the case.

anyways, you are right, this isn't the thread for such a discussion. let's see when and if google ever reintegrate their modifications into the mainline kernel.

smoku 2010-03-15 14:16
Re: Android is not compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by david.hicks (Post 548959)
I don't know how this would affect things like the dalvik VM. A guy at ubuntu made some progress porting the android and dalvik framework to more generic linux systems, but in the end google have still got a lot of closed source stuff on there that makes the system worthwhile - for instance all the stuff that enables login to google services.
These are the parts I personally consider completely unnecessary ;-)

Could you give some pointers to that Dalvik VM Ubuntu port?

Bratag 2010-03-15 14:19
Re: Android is not compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33
 
Personally I feel we would be far better off looking at something like

http://www.myriadgroup.com/Media-Cen...O-ANDROID.aspx

Rather than trying to port all of android to the N900 etc.

smoku 2010-03-15 14:38
Re: Android is not compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 567820)
Personally I feel we would be far better off looking at something like

http://www.myriadgroup.com/Media-Cen...O-ANDROID.aspx
Do you have any idea of Myriad licensing?
There isn't much interest for us in it, unless it is open.

Bratag 2010-03-15 14:50
Re: Android is not compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smoku (Post 567843)
Do you have any idea of Myriad licensing?
There isn't much interest for us in it, unless it is open.
unsure at this stage. It was more the possibility of us coming up with our own Dalvik replacement I was trying to get across. I will email them however and find out.

smoku 2010-03-15 15:01
Re: Android is not compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33
 
Replacing Dalvik for the sake of replacing is not really viable goal. ;)
Dalvik itself is pretty fine.

DaveP1 2010-03-15 15:56
Re: Android is not compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33
 
First, I will point out that Google has responded by saying Android is “no more [a fork] than Red Hat Enterprise Linux or any other distribution vendor. All kernels are in some way a fork for some amount of time, the trick is keeping that delta small. We’re trying to do a better job of keeping a small delta.”

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5992

Whatever.

But reading this thread, I am confused about the use of the kernel in smartphone OSs. My question is, if I ferret around in the Nexus One's Andriod 2.1 and the N900's Maemo 5 will I find:

a) both Android 2.1 and Maemo 5 contain the Linux Kernel 2.6.33
b) only Maemo 5 contains the Linux Kernel 2.6.33
c) only Android 2.1 contains the Linux Kernel 2.6.33
d) neither Android 2.1 and Maemo 5 contain the Linux Kernel 2.6.33

Pick one.

Bratag 2010-03-15 16:02
Re: Android is not compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smoku (Post 567871)
Replacing Dalvik for the sake of replacing is not really viable goal. ;)
Dalvik itself is pretty fine.
Except that its closed source and slower than a molasses shower.

smoku 2010-03-15 16:06
Re: Android is not compatible with Linux Kernel 2.6.33
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 567960)
Except that its closed source [...]
???
And what is that: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/dalvik.git ?


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