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Re: What is "piracy" and is it ever justified

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Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 554155)

This is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. I bet that the people moaning the most and requiring most of your time too were the ones that hadn't paid for it.

Yes indeed - and in fact still are for the 5 other apps I gave away for free. The app in question was a camera app for the android platform. People get incredibly annoyed and often times abusive when I reply - look its free, I am working on it - suck it up. And now an example of them emails I have received :). Please note the eloquence of them. This is why I have said and will continue to say Stupidity and mediocrity should not be rewarded but rather should be put on display and openly mocked.

How about a flash player everybody asking for one yarll make everything else but never something somebody really want the whole g1 market ****ing sucks *** I'm going to the iphone peace of shits.

U sendin me gay **** ur mother suck horse nuts ur father got gang bang ur grand ma been a slut I **** her last night then shitted on chest piss in ur wife mouth mother ****ed ur 10year daugther after u suck my nutz ***** u ****in with a real gangsta cracker

Re: What is "piracy" and is it ever justified

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Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 554132)

Something like Fallout 3 I admit.. there's no middle ground. You aren't always connected to their servers.. but something as graphically intensive and world-in-depth as that game took 1000's upon 1000's of hours to build. People need compensation.

Personally.. I think the problem is not that they need money but that people don't donate. I don't think requiring pay software, or enforcing DRM are the way to go - I think people that use software should be more giving if they like and actually *use* it.

Unfortunately... the latter isn't happening - forcing people to do the former - forcing people like me to have to make a decision on whether or not I want to support that company or writer.

I *really* didn't want to get dragged into this debate... as I said previously.. zealots on both sides are not going to be changing their mind.

I do like the phrase "Do no evil".. as long as I feel I am not harming or hurting anybody.. I'm personally fine with myself. I wouldn't dream of enforcing my opinions on anyone else though.. And you guys can continue to rip each others heads off all day if you want but this argument is *not* new.. and you're not likely to break any new ground that hasn't already been discussed. The open-source followers are not likely to agree paying is a good thing.. and the software companies are not likely to agree to give everything away in the hopes they get something back.

Therefore.. people like me.. I pick and choose who and what to support based on whats available, their practices, and any alternatives there may be.

Re: What is "piracy" and is it ever justified

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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 554126)

/dev/null my *** I forwarded them all to the ecrimes division of my local police. Which resulted in a 12 year old boy begging me to drop the charges - this after he threated to kill me, rape my wife and kill my child. If I had it in my power I wouldnt simply have had him charged I would have beaten the little **** within an inch of his life.

Funny how they don't take responsibility for their own actions but expect you to run around after them and their whims! Hope you pushed charges!

Re: What is "piracy" and is it ever justified

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Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 554132)

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Something like Fallout 3 I admit.. there's no middle ground. You aren't always connected to their servers.. but something as graphically intensive and world-in-depth as that game took 1000's upon 1000's of hours to build. People need compensation.
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So commercial software doesn't take that long to build? You obviously have little idea of the metrics at work here!

Re: What is "piracy" and is it ever justified

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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 554191)

Seriously... some people need to grow up.

Re: What is "piracy" and is it ever justified

Aye.

I too can understand people who breach DRM to move their medias within their own ecosystem (file sharing to their media player in the living room, whatnot);

Re: What is "piracy" and is it ever justified

In the many pages this thread has grown after I left it yesterday, I see a lot of post-rationalization (Gimme, Gimme!!), and very little empathy.

Re: Angry Birds Levelpack back in OVI-Store (Edit: and now not, again...)

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Originally Posted by azorni (Post 554133)

I wrote : « a grammar book is still a book ».

This is metalanguage concept and this should not be ignored by a software engineer. I'm quite surprised.

I'm sorry, I thought you had bothered to answer the original point posted!

The point I was making was that the protocol is a documented standard that can be implimented in several ways but the individual implimentation is unique. In much the same way that several sentences can be used to convey the same meaning but all have to adhere to the protocol in order for that communication to be understood.

Re: What is "piracy" and is it ever justified

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Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 554144)

Why is this different? Software on DVD's are a signifanct part of the content too.

I have investment banks amongst my customers too but what tools were you using in your development? If you used the MS stack at any point that is retail software!

I was working a lot under MS indeed, but I'm pretty much sure that everything I did, could have been done using free software.

Re: What is "piracy" and is it ever justified

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Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 554201)

So commercial software doesn't take that long to build? You obviously have little idea of the metrics at work here!

Note what I've said: I'll find free alternatives, write it myself, or won't use it.

There are usually decent quality free alternatives to commercial software (openoffice). There are not a large amount of decent free games like Savage II.

So therefore I have to scale my philosophical opinions with practical application. Just like with the movie industry.

I may hate the way the way they do it.. but that's the only "legal" way it's done.. and since I won't go without my movies I am forced to abide by their silly rules (to an extent. You won't find me sharing or distributing **** online.. but damnit - I *will* get a copy to watch on my computer! (meaning ripped from the dvd I bought.))

So with Games I had to raise my bar if I wanted to game at all: I'll pay for the software itself if it supports Linux natively. WoW does not, therefore I wouldn't re-buy the game discs. WoW however works perfectly in Wine, and the installer is free, and they've fixed their game in the past to maintain Wine compatibility when an update broke it and users complained - they offered me a loop hole through my own logic. They don't "officially" support it.. but they do tend to make sure it'll work for me.

Fallout 3 I don't play.. they don't support Linux, and there's no free download. So I go without Fallout 3 and Left 4 Dead.. two very great games: Both will work in Wine - but I won't support the game until it's either made officially to work with Linux (or at least show they'll try retain wine-compatibility) - or they make it free.