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maemo900 2010-03-08 14:51

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Barts (Post 559963)
surely it has warranty?? they can't charge you to repair a faulty phone that isn't out of it's warranty

Carphoneware House is supposed to be the best repair shop in the UK. But the warranty is not covered with them because I bought the N900 from Nokia store directly. Now that Nokia store has closed down I might not have a choice but to pay the amount they ask.
I don’t trust sending my phone to Nokia because anything can happen on the way.

maemo900 2010-03-08 14:55

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnLF (Post 559973)
Go into Settings, About Product and report back what version number you see

For instance, mine is Version 2.2009.51-1.203.2

Mine is the same as the above but it doesn't show in the OS package

volt 2010-03-08 14:58

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by schettj (Post 559959)
Did you somehow not read anything at all anywhere about the device before you bought it?

At the time he bought* the phone, I was reading everything on the internet written by anyone who knew anyone who had at all heard about the N900. There was nothing - absolutely not a word - about this phone having weak spots on basic phone functionality. Such info was very hard to get by before December, January.

Such is the life of early adaptors. If you buy too early, you only know about the stuff that excites people.

*edit

mobiledivide 2010-03-08 15:04

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by floffe (Post 559945)
If it locks up and reboots Nokia should repair/replace it under warranty. Have you tried flashing it to see if the issues persist?

If your phone is covered under warranty aren't there Nokia service shops you can physically take your device into? Locking up and rebooting is not something I signed up for (there is a reason why I quit Symbian), if my phone was doing that I would definitely be as upset/unsatisfied as the OP. My point was that my n900 doesn't do any of that, sorry if I came across as unsympathetic.

Bratag 2010-03-08 15:04

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maemo900 (Post 559933)
why can't people be as nice as Robb? Nice simple answer

Why couldnt your first post actually have contained a question or issue simply put and a request for help as opposed to a list of whines. You get out what you put in.

cryox92 2010-03-08 15:06

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
@Maemo900
Just ignore the ignorant fanboys mate :).Once i had learned to do it,browsing these forums became much more enjoyable :).I'd like to comment on some of your cons.
The touch screen-in this case the ressistive touchscreen is much better because of its accuracy while browsing,in other areas it can be annoying but u'll get used to it.
Portrait mode-again its not really that bad because its a tablet,and its much easier to organize your homescreens,and for the features where portrait mode is necessary,the portrait mode is present.
Unstable OS-definetly unstable,its not even as closely as polished as the other operating systems.And not to mention the countless graphical bugs.

JohnLF 2010-03-08 15:16

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cryox92 (Post 560006)
Unstable OS-definetly unstable,its not even as closely as polished as the other operating systems.And not to mention the countless graphical bugs.

I'm always amazed by these comments. I have owned my phone for 6-7 weeks, OS is rock solid for me, never seen any graphical bugs and I throw all sorts of -testing and -devel apps onto it.

Some of the apps themselves are a bit flaky, but mainly the ones which have not been ported properly.

My only gripe with Nokia where I feel I have been mis-sold is with OviMaps, otherwise I love this phone.

maemo900 2010-03-08 15:20

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
I got rid of my iPhone 3GS and Nokia E72 because I really like the N900. The pros and cons is my opinion and I’m still sticking to it. But that doesn’t bother me apart from the battery issue and the other faults my N900 has. Other than that I think it’s a great device.

So I’m sorry if I have p!ssed people off.

daperl 2010-03-08 15:28

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
We have great moderators on this forum, but why hasn't this thread been merged already? What is so compelling about the OP's original post that this thread needs to remain front and center? I'll answer my own question: Nothing. Mods, please do some merge magic.

twaelti 2010-03-08 15:30

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maemo900 (Post 559850)
Twaelti. What is the plugin for the equalizers then?

It is called "mafw-gst-eq-renderer-MGR". You can download it from Garage, then follow the instructions here and here.

cryox92 2010-03-08 15:31

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnLF (Post 560017)
I'm always amazed by these comments. I have owned my phone for 6-7 weeks, OS is rock solid for me, never seen any graphical bugs and I throw all sorts of -testing and -devel apps onto it.

Some of the apps themselves are a bit flaky, but mainly the ones which have not been ported properly.

My only gripe with Nokia where I feel I have been mis-sold is with OviMaps, otherwise I love this phone.

Come back after you've done some research then we'll talk again.

maemo900 2010-03-08 15:32

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
When I paid for my N900 it is was in September. I finally got in mid November. Reason for the delay was because they said it had software problems. My device is unbranded and unlocked. I was the 2nd person to get the phone on the release date, some woman beat me to it.
B!tch.
Anyway maybe their first batch of N900’s was faulty.

People now are getting it locked on a network for a 24 month contract. Maybe these carriers have updated the software to the own network and people are not having that many problems with their device.

jamie721 2010-03-08 15:44

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
i noticed some one mentioned about having graphical glitchs. i had the same sort of thing it wasnt realy glitch's just quite slow which made it apear glitchy. my touch screen was also not very responsive.
i now dont suffer from any of these problems this is because "i think" orginaly i had a screen cover on it which i think was the resoning behind the shoddy touch screen because after removal it seems much better.
i recently broke my n900 and flashed it back to the uk release .bin since then my phone has worked a dream as if i have gained anouth 200mhz. this is either because i had install items from dev and testing. which were resource hogging
or i had far to meany desktop items that were all needing processing power. " sum reason i think its the load applet as it must always be checking to find out the load of the ram and arm cpu"
or the phone just works better once you have flashed it back to orginal. and update from there.

either way what ever fixed my main gripes with the phone fixed them. so i must say i love my n900 never been able to do half of the things i can do with this phone.

oskarmat 2010-03-08 15:50

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
i agree on the battery life is crap

cryox92 2010-03-08 15:53

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamie721 (Post 560063)
i noticed some one mentioned about having graphical glitchs. i had the same sort of thing it wasnt realy glitch's just quite slow which made it apear glitchy. my touch screen was also not very responsive.
i now dont suffer from any of these problems this is because "i think" orginaly i had a screen cover on it which i think was the resoning behind the shoddy touch screen because after removal it seems much better.
i recently broke my n900 and flashed it back to the uk release .bin since then my phone has worked a dream as if i have gained anouth 200mhz. this is either because i had install items from dev and testing. which were resource hogging
or i had far to meany desktop items that were all needing processing power. " sum reason i think its the load applet as it must always be checking to find out the load of the ram and arm cpu"
or the phone just works better once you have flashed it back to orginal. and update from there.

either way what ever fixed my main gripes with the phone fixed them. so i must say i love my n900 never been able to do half of the things i can do with this phone.

i have flashed both the firmware and the mass memory and the graphical issues are still present.And no its not because of any major lagfest,there are ACTUAL graphical issues.Check the bugzilla u'll find them listed.

Dave999 2010-03-08 16:06

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
love all the...learn linux...read reviews before spending your money...bla bla bla. we have all different pros and cons...

peace

schettj 2010-03-08 17:46

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maemo900 (Post 560042)
When I paid for my N900 it is was in September. I finally got in mid November.

So it was problem free from November until now? Just trying to understand the timeline.

Once again.

So there were N number of people who bought a brand new device, and some subset of N assumed that a brand new device running a brand new system would arrive fully equivalent in functionality to devices on their second or third MAJOR software and/or hardware revisions, and they're now, 5 months later, getting around to posting how disappointed they are, on a USER/FAN site for the product.

Scratches head.

Still don't get it.

The n900 is a linux platform with some PIM/Phone capabilities that has fairly robust Nokia support for bug fixes, a growing user base of developers, and decent potential. It's not an iPhone, a flip phone, an n97, an n95, or a Droid. It's better then all of them in some ways, but not nearly as polished in others. The hardware is better in some ways, different in some ways, and worse in some ways.

Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling you something.

And yeah, I get it, it's not for everyone.

UNderworld 2010-03-08 18:49

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
OP: there are far better cons than the ones u listed in ur 1st post.. btw, nowadays you have to do RESEARCH before buying a phone because u cannot trust a company to sell a decent phone.... thats the universal excuse for defending the n900


Quote:

Originally Posted by bandora (Post 559397)
Don't get me wrong here, I am not saying the N900 is the "perfect" device, because no device out there is "perfect".. But it's by far the closest to perfection...

is that supposed to b a joke????:confused:
not even half of this phone/tablet is even close to perfection.....

cryox92 2010-03-08 19:41

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
The advertising of the n900 is a joke lol.
On the official Maemo 5 website the n900 is advertised as a mobile computer while on the official nokia site the n900 is advertised as a mobile phone.Nokia needs to make their minds up and decide whether its a phone or a "mobile computer".

raily 2010-03-08 19:44

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
i just love my n900. that's all I have to contribute :)

cryox92 2010-03-08 19:47

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by raily (Post 560378)
i just love my n900. that's all I have to contribute :)

I love porn but a lot of the girls are ugly :D.

les_garten 2010-03-08 20:03

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maemo900 (Post 559338)
I bought the N900 directly from Nokia for £499 in September 09, finally got it mid November 09. Was very excited about it but now not too impressed.

Only pros about the device are that it plays DivX and Xvid,
Video recording WVGA (848x480) @24fps,
32GB built in memory plus MicroSD up 16GB (or 32GB if and when it comes out).
Very good browser,
Multitasking.

Cons-
No portrait mode
Who Cares, did it have it before you bought it and it lost it? Didn't think so! Have you ever bought a 2-door car and later complained it wasn't a 4-door, and that was the companies fault?

Crap battery life,
You know a Full Multi tasking Open OS doing WiFi/3G that you can do the things you can do on this device that has a better battery life??

Resistive touch screen, Works Fine, who cares?

Screen also very delicate (already have a slight indentation in the middle of the LCD not on the screen itself) No screen protector on a $600 phone?? You stoopid of something? You should have bought the abuse Insurance Policy it seems! You blame Nokia for you banging up your phone??

Nightmare how to work out how to create a playlist, This device is not for non geeks, sorry you thought it was an iPhone, it just dawned on me that i in iPhone stands for idiot.

No equalizers Don't need them, I'm a purist, but an app with an EQ came out yesterday i think

Quite chunky device Back to the iPhone for you, or WinMo it seems, they are STYLISH aren't they!

Cheap camera cover Looks fine to me, but you're correct, it is not Titanium

Unstable OS I've installed tons of Extra-devel stuff and mine is like a rock

New software updates don’t seem to do anything. The software updates improved OVI maps greatly, made the battery last longer, and the device performs much better, especially the browser, just to mention a few
Can’t reformat device without flashing When you reformat, you have to install the OS just like a real computer!

Can’t move icons, reorganize menu or add folders I see this as a plus, sorry.

How can they talk about MeeGo and maemo6 when they haven’t kept their promise about a proper update for maemo5?


The stuff you should be complaining about is whether this device just got dead-ended with MeeGo. If we don't
get the MeeGo Full Monty release, this device is dead as we speak for all PRACTICAL purposes

maemo900 2010-03-09 00:32

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by les_garten (Post 560395)
The stuff you should be complaining about is whether this device just got dead-ended with MeeGo. If we don't
get the MeeGo Full Monty release, this device is dead as we speak for all PRACTICAL purposes


I would love to punch you in the face!


Cons-
No portrait mode
Who Cares, did it have it before you bought it and it lost it? Didn't think so! Have you ever bought a 2-door car and later complained it wasn't a 4-door, and that was the companies fault? Landscape is not a problem but it be nice to use in portrait. Especially when my other hand is busy with your mum

Crap battery life,
You know a Full Multi tasking Open OS doing WiFi/3G that you can do the things you can do on this device that has a better battery life?? The N900 is a powerful device and the people at Nokia know this cause they built it. So why put a ***** battery in the first place?!

Resistive touch screen, Works Fine, who cares? I don’t have a problem with the resistive screen. In fact it’s the best resistive screen I have ever come across. All I said was it be nice to have a capacitive screen doesn’t mean there is a problem with the screen on the N900.

Screen also very delicate (already have a slight indentation in the middle of the LCD not on the screen itself) No screen protector on a $600 phone?? You stoopid of something? You should have bought the abuse Insurance Policy it seems! You blame Nokia for you banging up your phone?? Screen protectors protect from scratches NOT indentation.

Nightmare how to work out how to create a playlist, This device is not for non geeks, sorry you thought it was an iPhone, it just dawned on me that i in iPhone stands for idiot. What has the iPhone got to do with anything here? In fact I might just get an iPhone and get rid of the N900. How about that?!

No equalizers Don't need them, I'm a purist, but an app with an EQ came out yesterday i think Thought you were mr. know it all? What you mean “I think?” someone who claims has the N900 don’t seem to know *****

Quite chunky device Back to the iPhone for you, or WinMo it seems, they are STYLISH aren't they! Compared to an iPhone and WinMo HTC HD2, yeah it is quite thick, like you.

Cheap camera cover Looks fine to me, but you're correct, it is not Titanium At least you agree with something

Unstable OS I've installed tons of Extra-devel stuff and mine is like a rock Good for you, can’t wait till it bricks your device

New software updates don’t seem to do anything. The software updates improved OVI maps greatly, made the battery last longer, and the device performs much better, especially the browser, just to mention a few. I have noticed these changes but it should have been done in the first place. Wow maps. I didn’t spend £500 to use maps!

Can’t reformat device without flashing When you reformat, you have to install the OS just like a real computer! There should be a factory reset to erase, contacts, messages, email, saved pass words on web e.g. facebook, google mail.

And for people like you that installs apps from extra-devel should flash their device!

Can’t move icons, reorganize menu or add folders I see this as a plus, sorry. I like to keep my ***** organized

danramos 2010-03-09 01:13

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
maemo900, I've felt that all your previous posts were perfectly fine and rightfully critical or inquisitive but your most recent post here is inflammatory. It's fine to write that kind of thing.. but then step back, before hitting POST, and take a deep breath and try to reword things so that they're not spiteful or abusive. Trust me, I know it's hard but, really, it's for the better to take that moment before hitting POST.

On that note, man do I miss the pre-N900 days on here when people were mainly ONLY complaining about Nokia as a company and otherwise helping answer questions or criticisms with solutions and suggestions.

This 'you should have researched' and 'LEARN LINUX' stuff is especially disheartening and doesn't really help make anything any more useful or intuitive. Come on, folks.


Edit, Added:
Quote:

Originally Posted by twaelti (Post 560036)
It is called "mafw-gst-eq-renderer-MGR". You can download it from Garage, then follow the instructions here and here.

Didn't somebody JUST finish telling him NOT to install that kind of thing if he wants it to be stable? So now what do you suggest he should do if he wants his N900 to remain stable for any decent length of time? I side with him on this one.. by now, the media player in the N900 should be MUCH more improved and an equalizer should have rightfully been implemented as far back as the N800, what with a DSP and all.

craftyguy 2010-03-09 01:29

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Successful troll is successful.

nbvora13 2010-03-09 01:44

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weirdbeard (Post 559486)
the web browser does have portrait mode already. Besides, your n900 is harder to drop if you are holding it with 2 hands all of the time.

My web browser doesn't show up in portrait mode? Am I missing any latest updates? Or is there any setting?

Thanks,
~nV!

bandora 2010-03-09 01:54

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by UNderworld (Post 560323)
OP: there are far better cons than the ones u listed in ur 1st post.. btw, nowadays you have to do RESEARCH before buying a phone because u cannot trust a company to sell a decent phone.... thats the universal excuse for defending the n900




is that supposed to b a joke????:confused:
not even half of this phone/tablet is even close to perfection.....

Yes, I believe that the N900 is really close to be the perfect device (at least for me), imo what's missing is the lack of really cool apps and (this is important for me :D games!).. But that will come in time.. Also along with some tweaks here and there, but nothing that this awesome community can't handle....

HRZ 2010-03-09 02:22

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nbvora13 (Post 560705)
My web browser doesn't show up in portrait mode? Am I missing any latest updates? Or is there any setting?

Thanks,
~nV!

http://tinyurl.com/ybxsk34

Scottlfa 2010-03-09 05:44

Re: More Cons than Pros for the N900
 
LOL Sweet HRZ, Good to see some people from the oesf forums here too.

Meh all this rage. Researching a $600 dollar device only makes since, $50 ok maybe I take someones word for it, but not $600. As to all the complaints ... people things improve with time. Like I said in some other places ... if you hate the phone or don't like the way it does things return it and don't troll the forums. You waste everyone's time that way.

My brother in fact returned one for a Dash instead. He acknowledges the device is awesome in many ways but does not meet his immediate needs, hes not on here flaming people over it. Just politely returned his phone in his 14 days and moved on.

On the MeeGo and the much talked about "dead end" for the N900 ... I don't see this happening. MeeGo is just an alternative for the N900, Like Mer for example. Users can choose based on there daring and skill to install any of these, even forms of raw Debian for that matter. Not death to the device like a true handset would suffer. Personally I like the Maemo 5 on the N900 and it goes nicely with easy-debian packages so I have a full suite of apps I want. So MeeGo and Mer aren't even topics of worry for me, perhaps others too.

2 Cents.


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