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The question is: will they come? Or will developers soon move on after the N900 has been dropped by Nokia? Seriously, ask yourself that question. Will you - as a small professional developer (by that I mean someone who makes a living selling his software) still develop software for a platform which is - in the current form - dead? I am awaiting a final FW by Nokia, and after that that'll be it.

I sincerely hope this will not be the case, but as of yet I haven't seen much which has encouraged me to think otherwise. Ovi Store is still empty (and always has been - despite a few tiny useful apps), the next FW is possibly miles away, and we don't even know anything precise whether the N900 will support the new OS or not:

I do no care about MeeGo too much tbh, all I want is a fully functioning phone. Whether that's going to be Maemo or MeeGo, to me it's all the same.

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I would be able to answer you if they would have mentioned a source more precise than "from Nokia".

More real information by the end of this month.

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It will work, but who knows how - maybe there will be stops, rebooting, etc.

Anyway, thanks for clarification.
I am very angry at this moment, so will not write more messages for some time.

Sure will use my N900 - I payed 600 Euros for it! I will use as much as I can my N900 in case to not buy new Nokia in 3-4 years! Just to be sure that Nokia will not getting a penny/cent more from me in this time.

I don`t know about Nokia`s future .... It`s a shame, big shame.

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I'm reading this thread all the time head-shacking...

Let's analize a little bit. What do we have?
A official statement from Nokia, on the official Nokia site, that they will drop every software support for the N900? (they can't drop hardware support for at least two years at least in germany).
No!

On the one hand we have a statement from "Nokia" (Who at Nokia? My grandma? The clueless callcenter, acquired by Nokia?) that maemo on the N900 is not upgradeable (whatever that means) posted by a website not giving any details about their source.
How reliable is that?
On the other hand we have the assurance from the meego team, that meego will run on the N900 (in one way or the other).
We know that official Qt 4.6 support is coming to the N900 sooner as some may think (more infos by the end of the month).
So we know that programs made for any platform using Qt will run on the N900.
The N900 is not less usable if there won't come a official meego build.
And the only thing we don't know yet (more infos by the end of the month) is if Nokia will provide their own version of meego for the N900.
Remember: meego is hosted by the Linux foundation. Not Nokia nor Intel.

BTW.: posted from my beloved N900

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who the **** wnat meego?? i dont want to have it... at least not on my n900.... i am happy with maemo 5.... and when meego will be released i'll build a brown tower on it...

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May I assist in your building of the brown tower? o.o

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That clarified a few things for me - thanks for pointing them out! Let's hope for the Best :)

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It better has to be good news. And if not, the news can't come fast enough anyway.

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Get over it guys. my N810 is not upgradable to maemo 5. Big whoop, its still an awesome device. And my 770 still has awesome community support. The world moves on.

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The question is, what's the platform? QT seems to be the platform, and it is one that is going to be common between Maemo 5 and Meego. So, in that respect, the platform will be supported.

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this is telling me that MeeGo is not the 4.5th or 5th of 5 step to complete N900

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the five step program is not about the N900.
the N900 is part of the five step program, more exactly the fourth.
meego is the fifth step, providing a platform which is entirely usable by the so-called "average-user".

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now i fully understand, thanks :)

hmmm....the n900 is just months old, maybe there are more changes and improvements, i hope

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Sorry, I think Electrolind just quoted the blog post from Valtteri. He's not Valtteri.

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I think I've been reading peter shneider's comment's differently.

My take is that Harmattan/Maemo 6 was the step 5 of 5. However, Maemo 6 is now going to be MeeGo 1, which kind of implies that clock has been re-set and that what was Step 5 of 5 is now step 1 of something else.

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a new Firmware is coming soon, providing some UI changes, the Qt 4.6 support built in, A LOT of bug-fixes and finally the ovi store.

edit:
you're right, too.
harmattan is the renamed maemo 6, now the first instance of meego (with still minor differences, like using .deb instead of .rpm in later versions of meego) just the name changed, the system is the same. so harmattan IS step 5 of maemo, IS step one of meego.

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It amazes me how many people blew right past the clarification from STskeeps and zehjotkah. Come on people, slow down and read before going ballistic.

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I just want the brown tower that comes with step 5.

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Crap, now people are spreading this nonsense over twitter.

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I think that's interpretation. I don't think letting the community handle things on their own is a bad thing. What is implied here is that if the community handles something, Nokia automatically drops EVERYTHING, and that's clearly not the case. Qt4.6, Qt Mobility, Flash 10.1 are all things that are/will be officially supported and coming from Nokia in the upcoming PR's for Maemo 5, which suggest that even there is a massive focus shift to MeeGo, there are still things happening on the N900 front. But if venting/ranting about speculations of what will (not) happen in 2011 makes people feel better (or simply want to commiserate a perceived injustice), that's OK, too - not really productive, though.

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Wheres the problem ? If you want a phone with official MeeGo support, get a new device.
If you are happy with Maemo 5, enjoy the new programs coming with QT 4.6-

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my apologies Texrat, im trying to read between lines and i cant seem to know what I, and some people seeing wrong in this topic :confused:

the first one is the 4 of 5 step thing, that was maemo not the n900.
Thanks

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I don't want Meego. Keep Maemo Alive! I love Maemo!

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It's simple and clear. Read what Stskeeps and zehjotkah said on page one.

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Electrolind is Valtteri, read this carefully please:

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Yes, and read the blog post linked to from the article that started this thread:

http://meego.com/community/blogs/val...owards-day-one

And I think you will find it quite similar. I would say it's a quote ;-)

/oxpo

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Meego is Maemo6 rebranded

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Just to jab in my own little bit of interpretation (aka trolling and FUD) - I think the real disappointment people have had with the N900 has been the lack of third party software. There are applications - although most of them are really betaware, and very few (if any except Angry Birds?) are of a professional quality. There is no depth or choice, and updates are limited. Comparing the Ovi Store to the iTunes store is really a joke.

Nokia's handling of the N900 has been as I'd expected it, and what other people should have expected. I've got no time for the anti-Nokia winging as they just sell a product, support it for 6-12 months and then move on. What do people expect from them? The answer is about 10 million different specific things.

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ragnar knows who is who. ;)

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Sounds, rather, that Electrolind is quoting Valtteri.

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My understanding of the situation, please feel free to correct any mistakes:

1. Maemo will not be developed in any new versions, the work will be migrated to meego.

2. Maemo 5 will however still benefit as QT will be the development tool for both and thus programs will run on either platform.

3. People feel that Nokia are abandoning hem and pulling the support, when in fact, at least the way I see it, the QT solution actually means an unrivaled level of support (gets benefit from work done on the new platform)

4. People are worried about how these programs will run on Maemo. if QT is really the development tool for both won't the hard-ware be the only limiting factor? I have yet to see a company that will upgrade your hardware for you so I fail to see how this changes anything?

I feel like Nokia are taking a beating a bit unjustly. If I understand it correctly this will be one of the best supported platforms out there thanks to their QT solution (wasn't this half of the idea behind it)? I somehow feel that he real issue here isn't so much the platform and the continued support from Nokia but the fact that in order to keep working on it everyone has to migrate to the meego project?

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I would say the real disappointment is the lack of vendor-supported features common in the smartphone world like (inserts broken record): MMS, Java, Portrait Mode, more Profiles, full USSD support, among others.

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No matter how much people (Nokia or otherwise) go on about QT bringing new support, this does not equate to anything more than apps for the phone. What guarantee do we have that Nokia will continue to provide the little fixes like performance or battery life tweaks, fix memory leaks, improve their core applications like the phone and calendar which are not open source? When Nokia barely say anything about what's coming of course speculation, "trolling", "FUD" and "whining" will happen.

Nokia never manage user expectations properly, have dire customer feedback and utterly unhelpful staff/call-centre scripts. If they'd just tell us what's coming and roughly when (regarding N900/Maemo5 updates/firmware - not even any concerns about MeeGo) then there would be a hell of a lot less of this.

To illustrate: what exactly did happen to the recent firmware update for the UK which never materialised even though (I think) everywhere else got it? Nokia refused to answer that question via phone or email when I asked... not on the N900 Nokia site pages... hmm!

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sure... Nokia should tell us all their market strategy!


oh... forgot the irony tags...

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Too many people here do not think before posting.

I'll consider the worst scenario (for pessimists and FUDders):

Nokia drops immediately support for the N900 and MeeGo isn't available for the N900. Apps between maemo & meego are not compatible. This is the worst scenario possible. What does it mean? N900 will be alive as always. Community added features like MMS (fMMS) , USSD (widget) and many other features. So why are you whining? If maemo isn't upgraded then you have the right to bug the hell out of bugs.maemo.org and get fixes. There are also alternatives to maemo. Meego will be ported unofficially for sure and if not other distros will. The things you should worry about is getting drivers open (at least right to distribute binary drivers and firmwares) and that's all.

I'm coming from openmoko community, a community that's alive even if openmoko Inc. left us with very little support.

Just have fun and enjoy your N900. Software can be changed, so don't worry about it. Nokia is not a vendor that closes up thair devices.

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I have not done that much whining about this BUT even though i'm enjoying the n900 as it is with community apps, but i would like commercial and support from 3rd party delevopers to make games and apps which will keep the n900 interesting. Oh yeh bug fix!.

This is what is cause FUD! developers not supporting n900 because nokia doesnt want to tell any one what the future is for n900.

bollox to nokia!

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Lot of ANSWERS:

http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re...or_my_N900_.3F

And can we wait to end of the month to see what they will offer to us? See post from Quim.

I don't need/want upgrade my (cool!!!) Maemo 5 to Meego on N900. I'll buy NX for Harmattan (and next NY for 100% MeeGo) - and run all my Qt programs on it.

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Actually, commercial developers care the *least* about the N900's future. Why would they care if you have MMS or video calling or whatever you're missing from Maemo 5 ? There is no commercial developer support for the sole reason of Ovi not providing a framework for that. It has little to nothing to do with the N900 or it's operating system.

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If someone else says that the N900 is Nokia's flagship phone I am going to shoot him/her.. lol..

Get your facts right the N97 (sadly) is their flagship phone..

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well that statement supports my views, obviously not expecting a commerical developers to make mms/video calling. i mean you useful and fun apps that make a phone interesting and fun to use when you are not using for calling or web.

Ovi does not have framework maybe because nokia have not taken finger out of ther azz hence why n900's future is looking some what bleek. :rolleyes: