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i think the n900 killed the n97

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no Nokia did :rolleyes:

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whats wrong with advertising whats coming soon? they do it with cell phones and accessories, why not with technical things and software type stuff? if you have a good product then you have a good product. you shouldn't have to just SPRING it up on people out of no where in order for it to sell successfully? your competition can either COMPETE or they CANNOT!

if you are about to come out with a cell phone that makes people fly then advertise it and generate the awareness and anticipation for it. if some one else has the same feature then put the facts out there and let users choose for them selves which phone will make them fly better, faster, further etc. i think they should not leave folsk in the dark who just drop 700+ on the latest nokia device, Especially when it lacked a lot of things you would expect from a nokia device. If you make a succesor phone it should at least be better (have more features, better features, or more improved features) then the phone that proceeded it

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But the N97 is still the flagship phone.

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evolution guys. evolution don't care how you are spending your money. it just ignore you and presenting new stuff. you are fu??ed again and again and again...dont blame nokia

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I love the n900, I'm happy to upgrade to a community provided version of meego, and it's great that the community can add all these features and apps seemingly easy. It's an amazingly powerful device and all that.

But that said I bought it with the expectation Nokia would continue to support it and upgrade it themselves, not release it and then do the Apple thing and move straight onto the next model.

I'm going to use the N900 for a long time, but it'll be my last Nokia device. I don't pay all this money to have to find community provided alternatives to keep it up to date and without bugs.

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i think that's because the n900 isn't user friendly enough. it's kinda not ready for the masses yet. even though it's waaay better then the n97 at least the n97 is a solid device despite it's inferiority to the n900. i think when they tag something as there (flagship) device they just mean it's their most marketable/profitable and popular (in nokia's eyes) for the masses.

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1. Has Nokia moved onto the next device yet?

2. Your first and last paragraphs seem at odds with each other. You appreciate what the community can do, but don't want solutions from it?

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honestly... i could care less about meego. So much so in-fact, i don't even know what the heck it is. "IT" wasn't there or in the item specs when i brought the phone so meego shmeego!... i am not a dev and couldn't care less. what i do care about it the tweaks and fixes that could make my life with maemo easier. Oh, and the other stuff like mms, portrait, blah blah blah. I am happy with the UI on the n900. i am happy with the quality, look, and functionality of completed apps (though there aren't a lot). It does what i need and more better than any other phone i have owned. I am confident that the things it doesnt do are sure to come based on what i have seen in the community.

Who buys a phone with the expectation that the software and techs stuff will be updated indefinitely FOREVER And ever. Just do what i expected u to do with this device and i am a happy camper. considering why i bought it and what i expected from it at the time. who gives a crap about some meego.

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That point is that Maemo is evolving into MeeGo.

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We don't know for certain, but this whole thread is about a quote from Nokia stating that meego (most likely, depends how you read into it) will not be officially packaged for the N900, and that the first Meego device (implying that the N900 will not officially run it) will be available in the second half of 2010 (implying that yes, they have moved on)

Yes I do want solutions from it, but I expected Nokia to provide the solutions themselves (bug fixes mainly)

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:D My wife is already happy that I'm going to buy next Maemo/MeeGo device soon. She will be able to play FloboPuyo anytime she wants. :cool:

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The quote does not say that.

Nokia has been fixing bugs. So has the community. Why should it matter where the fix originates?

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You're right, not in so many words. It says that Maemo itself is not upgradeable to Meego, but if Meego is going to be provided as an erase and start over install, surely the N900 would be the first device?

I don't care about Meego specifically, I care that, if this is the case and the N900 will not get Meego, then Maemo and the N900 are already losing support and development (makes sense, why else has PR1.2 taken so long to finish)

EDIT: Missed the second part. It matters because I paid to have official support and bugfixes. I didn't buy any old computer, I bought a mobile computer packaged with an OS provided by the same company, expecting that company to support it.

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That would make sense, and has not been ruled out. Consider that there will be a developer build of MeeGo for the N900. What does that suggest to you?

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you didn't read my reply either, good luck with the path you chose....

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That there will be a developer build in order for developers to test the new OS and get their software ready for the next device that officially supports it.

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Yaaaay. An Evolution. that is awesome. If things don't work out as planned then so what? I don't care if meego is or isn't officially supported on the n900 because most things that make my life easier with maemo5 now, were NEVER OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED (supported meaning didn't do out of the box and/or didn't have an app for it in the ovi store). I could be wrong, but i don't think petrovich, fmms, transmission, tune wiki, joiku, various emulators and games, fapn, fm boost and others that i use often were officially supported. Even though some of this stuff was advertised and said to be on the device NOKIA did not deliver.

I feel like Nokia turned their back on me (in many ways, despite the support contributions/FW updates they do still make and have made since i purchased) so i have turned my back on them. i will never again call customer service (horrible) or expect anything other than a random forum chat on their website. If i can't find it here @ maemo.org then screw it. this place carried the phone for me since i got it. Not nokia. If nokia doesn't lift another finger i am still grateful because they already gave it the best upgrade in my opinion. making it open source and accessible to the the folks here, who are doing the heavy lifting anyway it would seem. Besides... things seem to happen faster here than via "Official Nokia Support"

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That's one possible (cynical) interpretation. But you blew past what I was getting at: if a developer build can run on N900, what technically stops a commercial build?

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Nothing, but what stops a commercial build from a business point of view?

If the N900 can't support it, most people (except the ones that are turning their back on Nokia, we are a minority) will go out and buy the latest ("First") device that does.

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My god, some people here are so hypocritical. It was clear from the beginning that the n900 is only a transitional device. Why do you have to pollute this forum with your pretended outrage?

It's disgusting.

Cheers

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Nokia already seems to be "future proofing" Maemo 5 with Qt 4.6 in PR1.2 and Qt Mobility in PR 1.3. Libdui already runs on the N900 and there will even be a MeeGo base adaptation for the N900. If Nokia keeps the policy of not minding Nokia binaries on Nokia devices, I see ingredients for success. What I find kind of funny is that we know more about running not the next OS, but the one after that on the N900. :)

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Does transitional mean like a tester device? like a model for a newer or better device?

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You prefer cynical assumptions, I prefer optimistic ones. Time will tell who's the more deluded... meanwhile, there's more FUD than fact in this thread.

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Meego is not a problem. Focus on N900 and meamo...ovi store with paid content and apps(Qt4.6) that is what we need. why care about things that will be presented(nokia device) in 8-10 month time. Focus guys. pease.

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I don't get that. If I buy a device and Joe Blow Community developer beats the manufacturer to a software fix or enhancement, I couldn't care less.

To understand this platform one needs to accept that it straddles a strange line where commercial (usually painfully) meets open source. Too many buying the N900 fail to consider that, and it's highly pertinent. This isn't Apple. It isn't Pandora. It's unique, and one either gets that and appreciates it or they don't.

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lol @texrat for getting blocked by FUD spreaders on twitter
these bloggers are insane no journal skills at all they just repeat each other, true or not they dont care and cba to check

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Completely agree with the above comment, we all knew that this was a building device for Maemo, that's how is was billed to us. Let's all be realistic, the way technology is changing, we're all lucky now to keep a device for a good year until we see something that catches our eye. Personally I can't wait for the new device to come out, you can always sell the N900 and get the new MEEGO! :)

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It took long enough. ;)

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just so people don't miss out on the fun heres what i'm talking about :)
http://twitter.com/MeeGoExperts/status/10527998178

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"Maemo on Nokia N900 is not upgradeable to MeeGo. The first MeeGo device is targeted to be released during the second half of 2010. However, applications written for Moblin or Maemo Qt APIs will run on MeeGo."

Who said this?

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I have updated the wiki here to try explaining: http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re...N900.__True.3F

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Hypothetically speaking, of course, this scenario means that I never get more than 3 numbers in a contact, that I never get labels for numbers, etc, which is kind of low IMO, since that was implied. One doesn't buy a car that's missing a back seat.

Sudden support drop is bad. Now, sudden Meego drop for N900 with continued bugfixes and evolution for Freemantle I have zaroo problems with.

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

I got used to Fremantle. I have this synergy with a device overall, and once it's mine I get things done faster than adjusting to a new one. E.g., if there are no multi-desktop swipes on M6 I'm (likely) out of there.

Plus, what's this craze about swapping out Maemo 5 PR1.2 or 1.3 or 1.5 for M6 PR1.0? Have you forgotten the shovel-o-issues? By the time M6 will be all patched and grown up the N900 will likely be old (enough) in terms of N910 or competitors having multi-core CPUs based on Atom that run XP and we can finally have Office.

By then, I won't be missing my beloved N900 the same way I don't miss my (once beloved) N80.

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Yippee, stampeding can be fun! Watch out for that cliff!

Nice of that Texrat fellow and others to ride out from time to time singing:

"Get along, little users, everything's gonna be ok
We'll all be in pasture, 'bout the close of day.
Don't let the tumbleweed scare ya, let it roll on by
It looks dark now, but ahead there's blue sky"

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seeing that most people "love" the N900 and some even see it "close to perfection"... I dont understand why you would want another OS on it.. ?? You bought it with Maemo5, why do u want Nokia to put MeeGo on it now? It was never advertised with MeeGo, thus I dont think it will ever get an official meego upgrade..

What Nokia is doing is sort of clever imo.. They dont have staff like before (recession), thus selling incomplete phones for buyers / developers to finish it off.. lol

I am going to sell it as soon as Nexus one comes to the UK - sad I cant order it now because theres no insurance yet for this...

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One possibility is Nokia (and or Intel) not wanting to best the marketing hype of the first new MeeGo device by just upgrading the N900.

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You need to get religion! Imagine a world in which volunteers are a huge force in shaping their own destiny. This is a pretty good answer to older theories such as Marx's "alienated labor". The labor isn't alienated when it is building its own future.

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My further take on this: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...esponsibility/

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Karl never made as much sense as Groucho.

As far as older theories, as was pointed out by Xenophon, economic progress relies on a division of labor. Volunteers may be great for guiding project requirements but I'd rather buy a house built by professionals.

If Meego is to be as successful as WebOS or Win 7 Mobile (much less Apple OS, Android, or Symbian) it needs to have professionals creating a professional, polished product. So far, no version of Maemo could really be considered more than beta code - stable but unfinished.

As a test bed for Symbian, this is no problem. On the other hand, if Meego is to be the replacement for Symbian as the world class smartphone OS, Nokia/Intel will relegate volunteers to non-core app development and their professionals will focus on the OS.

Which is fine with me. I don't buy a phone (or a tablet) to program it, I buy a phone to use it.

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I do not care about meego on my n900. All this FUD is because we the end users do not know how much support we will get for maemo5.

Like i said on other post, if nokia sort Ovi crap out and have a framework sorted and developers make apps whether in Qt or other languages does not matter as long as we have commerical developer support with our excellent community support for n900 Maemo5

All we need from nokia on top of this is bug fix and maybe intro couple features.

meego would be good to have but not needed in my opinion as i personlly think maemo is a great little OS with potential but limited with rich applications because of Nokia.....