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soeiro 2010-03-15 23:45

Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Hello

I've noticed that there are quite a few packages that seems to be "abandoned" in extra-testing, just because nobody is seeing them!

So, just help trying it out and if ok, voting for them!

Here are some of the packages:

Those are some examples of stuff I think would benefit many people. But there are others there!

Additional information on the testing/voting process:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Help_testing_software

Packages available:
http://maemo.org/packages/

Thanks

mikec 2010-03-16 08:09

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Ncalc needs 5 more votes, its a calculator, its not that hard to test.:D

vote here

http://maemo.org/packages/package_in...calc/1.0.0-11/

Think of it as a test of your voting ability!!

maxximuscool 2010-03-16 08:18

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
i can't install 7zip full. Incompatible package.

johnel 2010-03-16 08:52

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
This is a terrible state of affairs and must be fixed!

I have the "Testing" repo (can't spell "repository"!) enabled and currently have some apps installed from it.

I will make the effort and start voting straight away.

A lot of people have spent many hours of personal time compiling and "tweaking" applications so they can run on the n900.

Let's show our gratitude and start voting for stuff.

If we don't we'll get self-righteous iPhone users saying:
"Hahaha! Your application library is totally lame and sucks big hairy bums!
We have thousands and you have dozens. Although our penises are very small, we have a software collection that is very big!
No fart applications for you"

Make sure you understand the checklist before you vote

cjsegninir 2010-03-16 13:26

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
I have tried to vote for every app I install, but I'll check again...

Out of the posted, I have 7-Zip, and I voted already. Although I haven't used it a lot, it works fine. A GUI would be nice, but it works.

Rob1n 2010-03-16 13:46

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Please make sure you read the QA checklist before voting.

ossipena 2010-03-16 13:48

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
please edit this link to the first post:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Help_testing_software

because the voting is nonsense because of people who don't know what to do and give thumbs up to unstable software......

x-lette 2010-03-16 14:13

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Hi there,

I'd really like to help good applications make it to extras but there is one big point that makes helping unnecessarily hard: there is no fu....g search available. Or at least I'm too dumb to use it. The only part where search is working is right here in t.m.o . And even here it is hard to find a useful thread for a special application.

The point is: I can install a bunch of packages from testing or even devel and use it and form an opinion about it but when it comes to voting or even simple feedback to the developer I'm often ending up with looking at the website and not knowing where to go and what to do. :confused:

There's a link called "Downloads" what sounds really good but as far as I've seen t there is only software from extras, no -testing and no -devel. And there is no way to go there from here.

So in short terms: when you know where to vote, you can -- when you don't know, you'll hardly get to know.

There are many other things that might get improved on this site, but especially software is some kind off hidden from the average user and you're wondering why there is so little response .... :(

TNiga 2010-03-16 15:14

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x-lette (Post 569205)
Hi there,

I'd really like to help good applications make it to extras but there is one big point that makes helping unnecessarily hard: there is no fu....g search available. Or at least I'm too dumb to use it. The only part where search is working is right here in t.m.o . And even here it is hard to find a useful thread for a special application.

http://maemo.org/packages/

soeiro 2010-03-16 16:23

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 569161)
please edit this link to the first post:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Help_testing_software

because the voting is nonsense because of people who don't know what to do and give thumbs up to unstable software......

Good idea. I've just done that.

x-lette 2010-03-16 19:07

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TNiga (Post 569308)

Now I know the URL but how do you get there when you don't know? I mean, there is no link, the search doesn't deliver any results, the two links which look like leading to a list of software (Downloads and Development) don't do so for testing and devel packages. Even the wiki isn't linked from maemo.org. :mad: So I ask again: how does the average user gets to know that there is anything he can do?

My current approach is to surf the forum and use the links that are given there. If no one offers a link to some software, I probably will never see it.

With the current layout and structure of maemo.org you are standing in your own way. Sad but true. :(

nidO 2010-03-16 19:20

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Both the "Community" and "Development" headings of maemo.org have clear links to the wiki, and the very first article within the "Power User" section of the wiki (where it belongs) is the "Help testing software" article which provides details on how to enable the testing repo, how to view/search the list of packages available on this site, how to test the software, and how to vote for packages once tested.

x-lette 2010-03-16 19:57

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nidO (Post 569613)
Both the "Community" and "Development" headings of maemo.org have clear links to the wiki, and the very first article within the "Power User" section of the wiki (where it belongs) is the "Help testing software" article which provides details on how to enable the testing repo, how to view/search the list of packages available on this site, how to test the software, and how to vote for packages once tested.

Sorry, but when I read that I had to laugh.
You want people to go to Development (even when not being a developer) selecting the quite hidden link to the wiki, there looking into the power user section to learn about testing software? That's absolutely no way an average user would ever go!
The link in Community is a bit strange. Sitting in a section called "get help" the link is titled "use the wiki". I would read that like "get help in using the wiki". I want to vote for a software and not learn how to use a wiki!

But most important point is: there is no working search. This is the killer argument. And don't reply with something like "use google". google finds everything. But I don't want everything, I want relevant results. And without deep knowledge about the structure of the site I can forget google. Having this knowledge, I don't need google.

joppu 2010-03-16 20:06

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Extras-testing is not meant for your average user. Seriously, leave the testing to advanced people who won't mind using buggy or incomplete software.

x-lette 2010-03-16 20:11

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Oh, sorry, I thought this call for help was for real:
Quote:

Originally Posted by soeiro (Post 568577)
I've noticed that there are quite a few packages that seems to be "abandoned" in extra-testing, just because nobody is seeing them!

I see, I still have a lot to learn about maemo.

soeiro 2010-03-17 23:29

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x-lette (Post 569657)
Oh, sorry, I thought this call for help was for real:

I see, I still have a lot to learn about maemo.

This call for help came from me, a normal maemo.org user who is trying to help. It is very real and I think that there is a huge backlog.

However:

Quote:

Originally Posted by x-lette (Post 569657)
Sorry, but when I read that I had to laugh.
You want people to go to Development (even when not being a developer) selecting the quite hidden link to the wiki, there looking into the power user section to learn about testing software? That's absolutely no way an average user would ever go!
The link in Community is a bit strange. Sitting in a section called "get help" the link is titled "use the wiki". I would read that like "get help in using the wiki". I want to vote for a software and not learn how to use a wiki!

Not only extra-testing is buried. Regular package browsing is not available, either. Maybe putting the link on the main community or download page could improve the situation. There could be a warning in the same page.

Quote:

Originally Posted by x-lette (Post 569657)
But most important point is: there is no working search. This is the killer argument. And don't reply with something like "use google". google finds everything. But I don't want everything, I want relevant results. And without deep knowledge about the structure of the site I can forget google. Having this knowledge, I don't need google.

The general search box in maemo.org sucks, it hardly ever finds anything. It could either be improved or all major stuff could have static links in some pages.

soeiro 2010-03-17 23:37

Re: Help test and vote for some packages!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joppu (Post 569650)
Extras-testing is not meant for your average user. Seriously, leave the testing to advanced people who won't mind using buggy or incomplete software.

I think I would classify as an "advanced" or "power" user, or even a developer. However, I've missed that entry point to the extra-testing page in the wiki. Maybe I didn't have the time to read that particular wiki. I've found it by using google.

Maybe a little more visibility could improve overall quality: more eyes looking for bugs.


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