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Reggie 2007-02-15 15:38

Car On Board Diagnostics on the Internet Tablet
 
Quote:

iNdT is at it again and this time releases Carman - an On Board Diagnostics (OBD-II) analyzer application for the Maemo platform. Carman lets you monitor and detect problems on your automobile by accessing the data stored on your car's on-board computer, the same data that service technicians use. If you have an OBD-II compliant automobile (most cars after 1996 are), you can use a Scan Tool device (about $116+) and connect Carman to it via USB (ElmScan 5) or wirelessly via Bluetooth (using a Firefly or Elm 327). You need Python 2.5 for Maemo to run Carman and a Nokia 770 (withÂ* 16MB of free virtual memory), or a Nokia N800. More information as well as the application download link can be found at the Carman garage. More cool screenshots after the jump. Thanks Marcelo!Â* Â*
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Karel Jansens 2007-02-15 16:12

Re: Car On Board Diagnostics on the Internet Tablet
 
But I cannot install Python 2.5. I consistently get the same message from the crappy Application Installer: "libbluetooth1 (>=2.19) is missing. F*ck you, User." (OK, so maybe that last part wasn't exactly on the screen).

Why oh why can I not install Python 2.5?

handful 2007-02-15 16:18

Re: Car On Board Diagnostics on the Internet Tablet
 
Hei!

Karel, did you tried talking to Osvaldo or other guys at INdT about that? They can for sure help you with that. And also if you're facing this, more users should be, so please let us know so we can fix it =)

Marcelo

The contats are in the project site!


www.marceloeduardo.com

Karel Jansens 2007-02-15 16:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by handful (Post 34920)
Hei!

Karel, did you tried talking to Osvaldo or other guys at INdT about that? They can for sure help you with that. And also if you're facing this, more users should be, so please let us know so we can fix it =)

Marcelo

The contats are in the project site!


www.marceloeduardo.com

There are at least two of us:

Me, in my usual "grumpy old men"-style: http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=4736

and this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=4739
Make that three, according to the reply in the last thread.

Heck, and all I wanted was an egg timer...

fpp 2007-02-15 16:55

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The funny thing is, I recently reflashed my 770 with the latest 3.2006 OS, and having the choice between Python 2.4 and 2.5 in the App Manager, went with 2.5 in "what the heck" mode (having already seen your post). And guess what, it went just fine :-)

Karel Jansens 2007-02-15 17:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fpp (Post 34925)
The funny thing is, I recently reflashed my 770 with the latest 3.2006 OS, and having the choice between Python 2.4 and 2.5 in the App Manager, went with 2.5 in "what the heck" mode (having already seen your post). And guess what, it went just fine :-)

Darned 770 users with their perfect machines. Grmbl, grmbl...

konfoo 2007-02-15 18:43

Re: Car On Board Diagnostics on the Internet Tablet
 
2.5 installs fine for me on the N800. I did enable red pill and some additional repos (my list):

#maemo:name Nokia Catalogue
#maemo:essential
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ bora user
#maemo:name Nokia Catalogue (3rd party software)
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ bora user
#maemo:name maemo-hackers
deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main
#maemo:name Maemo
deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras
#maemo:name Maemo extras
deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free non-free
#maemo:name Minimo
deb http://home.ufam.edu.br/~agan/minimo mistral/
#maemo:name FBReader
deb http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/maemo bora user

As for the firefly serial to bluetooth adapter - this appears to be powered by the serial port, correct?

Karel Jansens 2007-02-15 19:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by konfoo (Post 34954)
2.5 installs fine for me on the N800. I did enable red pill and some additional repos (my list):

#maemo:name Nokia Catalogue
#maemo:essential
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ bora user
#maemo:name Nokia Catalogue (3rd party software)
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ bora user
#maemo:name maemo-hackers
deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main
#maemo:name Maemo
deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free extras
#maemo:name Maemo extras
deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free non-free
#maemo:name Minimo
deb http://home.ufam.edu.br/~agan/minimo mistral/
#maemo:name FBReader
deb http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/maemo bora user

As for the firefly serial to bluetooth adapter - this appears to be powered by the serial port, correct?

I have every repository you listed, and then some. I double-checked for typos.

Still nuffink. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

RogerS 2007-02-15 19:56

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It seems that if you save the deb to your mmc or sd card and install from there, dependencies get installed but not if you install by clicking open instead of save.

At least in one case I've had this happen.

How did you install?

Karel Jansens 2007-02-15 21:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerS (Post 34970)
It seems that if you save the deb to your mmc or sd card and install from there, dependencies get installed but not if you install by clicking open instead of save.

At least in one case I've had this happen.

How did you install?

Aha! (that should tell you I tried to install directly from the Net).

Trying now -- OK, the only downloadable thing I can find is the installer file, so I'll save that on my card.

Clicking the file brings up Application Installer, which asks if it can install the repository "bora extras", which I already have! (Nevermind, just say "yes".)

AM refreshes the repository lists and asks to install Python 2.5. Upon confirming, it tells me the same message I've been getting since yesterday: libbluetooth1 etc... is missing. Deleting the superfluous bora extras rep changes nothing.

Hmmm... What if I delete all the bora extras repositories and try again? ...

SUCCESS!!! Python 2.5 is installed! I can't believe it! (actually, what I cannot believe, is that I've spent nearly two days trying to install an eggtimer program -- which works fine, BTW, just in case anyone is interested).

Thanks a zillion, RogerS!!!

sdrman 2007-02-16 03:02

Re: Car On Board Diagnostics on the Internet Tablet
 
This looks like a really cool program. I can't wait to try this out on my car. Now it would sure be nice if my n800 supported usb host mode so I could buy a usb scanner and not need a firefly for an extra $100 :)

Also, is there a way to switch the displays to the American units I'm familiar with? Or will they switch automatically after connecting to an American car?

bergie 2007-02-16 06:02

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I wonder if there would be any way to add OBD-II compatible interface to a motorcycle.

That would N800 a really cool replacement for the regular meters. And it could switch between navigation mode and the "dash" mode :-)

thoughtfix 2007-02-16 06:58

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I have a meeting with the company who makes the car modules next week. Thankfully they're in Phoenix too. What questions would you all like me to bring?

=DC= 2007-02-16 10:31

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Ah yes, Carman looks quite nice. It's been a while since my last post, but it's news like this that will drag the dead from their graves to comment on. Very cool application. Wasn't there a dedicated device that was shown awhile ago that performed a similar function? I believe I had a post about it somewhere on NET9. Hmm...

etrunko 2007-02-16 13:11

Re: Car On Board Diagnostics on the Internet Tablet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sdrman (Post 35029)
This looks like a really cool program. I can't wait to try this out on my car. Now it would sure be nice if my n800 supported usb host mode so I could buy a usb scanner and not need a firefly for an extra $100 :)

Also, is there a way to switch the displays to the American units I'm familiar with? Or will they switch automatically after connecting to an American car?

Unfortunately in this first version we're not able to switch between units, but it's already on the plans.

etrunko 2007-02-16 13:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by =DC= (Post 35072)
Ah yes, Carman looks quite nice. It's been a while since my last post, but it's news like this that will drag the dead from their graves to comment on. Very cool application. Wasn't there a dedicated device that was shown awhile ago that performed a similar function? I believe I had a post about it somewhere on NET9. Hmm...

Maybe this is the device you're talking about:

http://www.drewtech.com/products/dashdaq.html

=DC= 2007-02-17 14:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by etrunko (Post 35081)
Maybe this is the device you're talking about:

http://www.drewtech.com/products/dashdaq.html

Yep, that's the one. Looks like inspiration material to me. :)

By the way, here's the NET9 post talking a bit about it.

Crossblade 2007-03-08 10:15

Re: Car On Board Diagnostics on the Internet Tablet
 
Hey :) First post here - HELLO.

How could I know if it will work in my old car ('94 BMW E34 520), and which module for the car do you suggest buying to use the N800 as my on-board computer?

phatman81 2007-03-08 11:32

Re: Car On Board Diagnostics on the Internet Tablet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossblade (Post 38100)
Hey :) First post here - HELLO.

How could I know if it will work in my old car ('94 BMW E34 520), and which module for the car do you suggest buying to use the N800 as my on-board computer?

I may be wrong (i doubt it), but OBD2 is only for 1996 (model year) and up cars. I bet if you read the linked docs, you should be able to find a list of cars that are compatible. i remember seeing it when i first saw the post on it...

Im being really nice today: http://carman.garage.maemo.org/faq.html

Crossblade 2007-03-08 12:03

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Thank you for the link phatman81.

They say most cars after '96, but probably some before '96 are also supported. I'd have to do a research on that :)

konfoo 2007-03-08 18:05

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The e34 has OBD1. You're best off buying a carsoft package with OBD1 interface for the e34. e.g. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-C...QQcmdZViewItem
IIRC the OBD1 DLC plug location for the e34 is only available under the hood. If you want to check/run error codes you have to do it with the hood up and the car parked or on a dyno.

Texrat 2007-03-08 18:23

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WOW.

This is the sort of killer app that the platform needs! Awesome work iNdT! This needs to be front and center on Tableteer IMO. It's also prime material for an article in Car and Driver and similar magazines.

brendan 2007-03-24 14:43

Re: Car On Board Diagnostics on the Internet Tablet
 
i just installed this app, and will be getting the car connection kit from elmscan in the near future. i gotta say that this is amazing. i do have a couple of questions/requests.

- is it possible to have the carman app adjust settings such as air/fuel mixture, timing advance and things like that? say i drove my hot rod ('99 Ford Escort Wagon SE :p ) to the drag strip, and wanted the settings adjusted based on humidity and air temp. could this be possible with the OBD II connector and carman?

- Turbo Timer and Control. can carman be set up to control things like boost pressure and those types of controls with and OBD II connector?

- EDIT - Also how do you switch from metric? i edited the carman.conf to be "imperial", but it switched it back on me when i restarted the app?


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