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IX DarKRidE XI 2010-03-24 16:17

Re: Help !! reboot problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 580314)
You don't have to do all that, just choose the instructions from "updating the tablet" for your PC operating system. most likely Windows.

rgds
uTMY

I there , a while ago i was asking or telling about the problem that i'm having in reboot my phone...first because the intructions are not writen in my mother language, then , the n900 its new for me ...can u help me in a most easier way ?

bongo 2010-03-24 16:22

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by jamie721 (Post 580439)

guess what guys there are people out there that dont no what operating system they are using and they certenly dont no wether its 32bit or 64bit.

If you don't know if your car has a V6 or V8 engine you don't upgrade it with unknown parts you bought on ebay ....
Maybe you can install a new radio but for other upgrades you should collect information BEFORE you damage your car!

IX DarKRidE XI 2010-03-24 16:28

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Originally Posted by bongo (Post 580543)
If you don't know if your car has a V6 or V8 engine you don't upgrade it with unknown parts you bought on ebay ....
Maybe you can install a new radio but for other upgrades you should collect information BEFORE you damage your car!

the os its maemo 5 , i've downloaded the latest firmware version , and i had all the avaiable reps , its all that i know...man , why are u so harsh on people ?!! dont u understand that to have the knowlegde u firt have to be a Noob lol ...

IX DarKRidE XI 2010-03-24 16:32

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
can u clear me or not , in easy steps i meant ? by the way , the soft in my pc is vista basic edition , 32 bit , 2 gigs ram.... if that helps !!

zehjotkah 2010-03-24 16:37

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Originally Posted by IX DarKRidE XI (Post 580560)
can u clear me or not , in easy steps i meant ? by the way , the soft in my pc is vista basic edition , 32 bit , 2 gigs ram.... if that helps !!

yes, that helps. that was what I was asking for the whole time!

Now go to http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_t...ndows_7_32-bit, download the files, install flasher 3.5, put the firmware files in the directory, where flasher was installed.
then come back or proceed with the wiki, if everything is clear.

hellnick 2010-03-24 16:39

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Originally Posted by IX DarKRidE XI (Post 580560)
can u clear me or not , in easy steps i meant ? by the way , the soft in my pc is vista basic edition , 32 bit , 2 gigs ram.... if that helps !!

Okay. Which bits of the instructions do you not understand? If you say all of them then you risk being added to people's ignore list.

Please let us know your first language - there may be another native of your country on the forum.

You need to make time to do this and you need to be methodical. If you receive errors you need to tell us the exact error and not vague approximation.

Try to use the reply button so we know who you are responding to.

IX DarKRidE XI 2010-03-24 16:55

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 580564)
yes, that helps. that was what I was asking for the whole time!

Now go to http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_t...ndows_7_32-bit, download the files, install flasher 3.5, put the firmware files in the directory, where flasher was installed.
then come back or proceed with the wiki, if everything is clear.

it shows up a few versions , wich one i must download , the latest maemo 5 global release ?

IX DarKRidE XI 2010-03-24 16:59

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Originally Posted by hellnick (Post 580567)
Okay. Which bits of the instructions do you not understand? If you say all of them then you risk being added to people's ignore list.

Please let us know your first language - there may be another native of your country on the forum.

You need to make time to do this and you need to be methodical. If you receive errors you need to tell us the exact error and not vague approximation.

Try to use the reply button so we know who you are responding to.

its portuguese...and only that i need its help , like , if i knew something that u guys didin't, i would be happy to help...man...i was tagged as a geek ....thanks

sajman 2010-03-24 17:03

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RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin 171136701 PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 Latest Maemo 5 USA variant for Nokia N900

RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin 171136701 PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 Latest Maemo 5 Middle East and North Africa release for Nokia N900

RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin 171136705 PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 Latest Maemo 5 UK variant for Nokia N900

RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 171005621 PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900

id say that one...

cddiede 2010-03-24 17:04

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Originally Posted by IX DarKRidE XI (Post 580586)
its portuguese...and only that i need its help , like , if i knew something that u guys didin't, i would be happy to help...man...i was tagged as a geek ....thanks

Geek is a compliment here. You should take it as such. It means we want you to be one of us....

IX DarKRidE XI 2010-03-24 17:07

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Originally Posted by cddiede (Post 580592)
Geek is a compliment here. You should take it as such. It means we want you to be one of us....

sure...lol...but i'm more like a noob lol

cazzajay 2010-03-24 17:22

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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 580291)

......oh.....dear.... :D:D:D

wolfpac72 2010-03-24 17:46

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I was just reading the whole thread :D
kinda useless :p

but just as it has been said before.
1. clear title and no weird suggestions helps mainly
2. the people like to help here, many times learned myself here.
but if you are not reading the posts and just act like a total freek out guy that def does not help.

i always say three parts always should be in every help asking post:

When, Where, What helps to clarify all questions most of the time.

And also all components which are used additionally (PC OS etc hich can be caused the problem, or can be used for fix the problem)

And last but not least, if you only know how to switch on the device and your PC and nothing more.
Please do only use ready programs and nothing from Extra or testing. Safes from bad headaches :)


Finally, dont take every post personally some jokes are always allowed and all the people helping here need sometimes some changes and if there is a chance just nail it :)

BR

Wolfpac

danx 2010-03-24 18:10

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you know everyday i read posts and see what people are doing . I love this post but you have to understand not everyone know how to program. People that get these phones are mostly like me and don't understand anything. We just got sold on what this phone can do but were misinformed that you have to do most if it from scratch .. I and i bet most of the user here would love to know how to do this with out bugging anyone. but i think (geeks) which is a good thing to be called here need to understand not everyone knows everything. I hope i can speak for for the non geeks but we do get lost here sometimes. to find a thread is hard so the easiest thing is to post another. very hard on everyone. is there a way on this forum to find your question that you posted without going on every page till you find it. search engine is not very non geek friendly.. ?? so guys thanks for the help on all the goodies you have develop and I am learning as fast as i can...:D:confused:

ossipena 2010-03-24 18:20

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Originally Posted by wolfpac72 (Post 580673)
When, Where, What helps to clarify all questions most of the time.

And also all components which are used additionally (PC OS etc hich can be caused the problem, or can be used for fix the problem)

imo people who ask for help and don't supply such information would deserve to get the thread removed and banned for a month from this forum....

it is ridiculous to read 2 or 3 first pages of a thread before you have knowledge about any of those things mentioned.

the OP is a bit like car driver who freaks out if there is a granny at crosswalk 200m ahead: shoves gas pedal through the floor, covers his eyes with his hands and then shouts: help me talk.maemo.org!!!!

zimon 2010-03-24 18:34

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
Some day there will surely be virus and trojans, because people happily load and install unsigned deb-files. It would be real easy currently to hack into several N900's.
Fortunately Meego will have RPM-package format and unsigned RPM-packages are widely known as a shame on packager.


Using dpkg to install programs, is almost always risky. (Only very very few DEB-files include a GPG signature.) Use apt-tools.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...136#post578136

danx 2010-03-24 18:38

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HHuuuhhh ??? sometimes i really don't know what the hell people are saying. i have to go to computer language.com. sorry non geek here !

wolfpac72 2010-03-24 18:41

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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 580723)
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the OP is a bit like car driver who freaks out if there is a granny at crosswalk 200m ahead: shoves gas pedal through the floor, covers his eyes with his hands and then shouts: help me talk.maemo.org!!!!

:D:D:D great one

wolfpac72 2010-03-24 18:45

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zimon (Post 580761)
Some day there will surely be virus and trojans, because people happily load and install unsigned deb-files. It would be real easy currently to hack into several N900's.
Fortunately Meego will have RPM-package format and unsigned RPM-packages are widely known as a shame on packager.


Using dpkg to install programs, is almost always risky. (Only very very few DEB-files include a GPG signature.) Use apt-tools.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...136#post578136

Why having Viruses and malware programed?all people using exactly the same devices with same OS as the devlopers. thats not making sense coz part of Linux

Anda as said by the prevous post.
thats really geek talk :D

slender 2010-03-24 18:53

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by danx (Post 580776)
HHuuuhhh ??? sometimes i really don't know what the hell people are saying. i have to go to computer language.com. sorry non geek here !

Try out Power Search below big offical search. I have found it more precise and powerful than the other. After search you can filter it to one area "talk", "wikipedia", "Brainstrom", "Bugzilla" etc.. Try it out.

danx 2010-03-24 18:56

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cool. thanks for the info .. need to know how to get around this place..

xomm 2010-03-24 18:57

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by IX DarKRidE XI (Post 580285)
jeeeez , i've to do all that to flash the phone !!!! man , i dont understand nothing about phones , softwares and stuff....i m so .........screwd....


Not to be harsh, but if you "don't understand nothing about phones , softwares and stuff,"

Why did you venture into unstable land anyways?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfpac72
Why having Viruses and malware programed?all people using exactly the same devices with same OS as the devlopers. thats not making sense coz part of Linux

Anda as said by the prevous post.
thats really geek talk :D

Very few viruses/malware have been created for Linux at the moment. The majority of the ones people have encountered are "social experiments," simply proving that malware is possible on Linux.

People create viruses 1.) To gain personal information about others 2.) To use said information for immoral gains

A small amount viruses are created just to mess with people (i.e. the Life is beautiful for Windows).

uTMY 2010-03-24 18:58

Re: Help !! reboot problem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IX DarKRidE XI (Post 580533)
I there , a while ago i was asking or telling about the problem that i'm having in reboot my phone...first because the intructions are not writen in my mother language, then , the n900 its new for me ...can u help me in a most easier way ?

Hi.

Every journey starts with but a single step.

A better way perhaps would be for you to make a start with the instructions and ask questions as you progress if you get stuck.

For instance.

1. Have you got a computer you can use?
2. Do you know what version of operating system is on that computer?

From the above you can at least make a start with identifying the correct instructions to follow from the update tablet wiki.

rgds
uTMY

wolfpac72 2010-03-24 19:03

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xomm (Post 580814)

Very few viruses/malware have been created for Linux at the moment. The majority of the ones people have encountered are "social experiments," simply proving that malware is possible on Linux.

People create viruses 1.) To gain personal information about others 2.) To use said information for immoral gains

A small amount viruses are created just to mess with people (i.e. the Life is beautiful for Windows).

Absolutely agree with you.
So proves the point, Windows more fun due more people affected. And most Limux users know what they do so easy to find and kill every malware.

bongo 2010-03-24 19:07

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Sometimes I wish there would be a surfer's/computer license

zimon 2010-03-24 20:10

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xomm (Post 580814)
People create viruses 1.) To gain personal information about others 2.) To use said information for immoral gains

3) Just because the device has CPU, can run programs and has network connection. Most botnetworks are happy just to get access to computer resources, they don't necessary care about personal information. Just to have one bot more to their botnetwork, so they can sell DoS attacks and blackmail and sell/use bots as anonymity proxies.

I am very concerned about Maemo because the current security policy is as swiss cheese. People give straight *.deb links and people install them (dpkg) without any authentication check.

It is just a matter of time or perhaps we all aready have a sleeping horse in our devices.

IX DarKRidE XI 2010-03-24 20:45

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zimon (Post 580924)
3) Just because the device has CPU, can run programs and has network connection. Most botnetworks are happy just to get access to computer resources, they don't necessary care about personal information. Just to have one bot more to their botnetwork, so they can sell DoS attacks and blackmail and sell/use bots as anonymity proxies.

I am very concerned about Maemo because the current security policy is as swiss cheese. People give straight *.deb links and people install them (dpkg) without any authentication check.

It is just a matter of time or perhaps we all aready have a sleeping horse in our devices.

Hi , a while ago I posted this thread , and did every step as it been told me to do , but when i tried to run the exe . , i was able to run nothing ... insted of a smartphone i got a stupidphone , .....lol...enough...going to take him to nokia care center...my litle dumbass baby lol...

azz 2010-03-24 21:00

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IX DarKRidE XI (Post 580981)
Hi , a while ago I posted this thread , and did every step as it been told me to do , but when i tried to run the exe . , i was able to run nothing ... insted of a smartphone i got a stupidphone , .....lol...enough...going to take him to nokia care center...my litle dumbass baby lol...

lol...you did not get a stupid phone...saying that is like a person driving manual transmission car and complain about having to shift gears...If you are not willing to learn stick-shift, trade it in for an automatic car....the phone is just not meant for you...if you are not patient....:cool:

One more thing....awesome thread...:D

zehjotkah 2010-03-24 21:08

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if you would like to not have to going to nokia care, please write everything you've done.
did you run the exe with the command described in the wiki? over the commandline of windows? (start - run - cmd)

geneven 2010-03-24 22:08

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My opinion is that some of the documentation about flashing is quite scary. I remember seeing one page that helpfully lists about twenty or thirty options you might want to try. Any newbie not scared by that page has to be crazy.

Flashing itself is pretty easy. Figuring out how to flash when you don't know what is going on is not necessarily easy.

I suppose there are Youtube videos on how to flash. Are there links to them somewhere?

HumanPenguin 2010-03-24 22:12

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Originally Posted by IX DarKRidE XI (Post 580315)
*******.... not everyone it a GEEK like u , normal people have troubles to understand this problems when they appened for the 1 time...

The same was said about folks who could drive when the car first came out. Different words but the same sentiment I am sure.

I imagine the first guy to use a steam tractor in the village was considered a geek as well. The rest were sure referred to as Luddite a few decades later. Now the term Luddite came from those who objected to the use of machines in the textile industry in the 1800s

Basically all these people were the same. They feared becoming obsolete because they did not understand the new technology.

So before you continue referring to us geeks as abnormal.

Remember your the one asking for our help. And we can demo-straight what happens to people who insult and attack people who understand new tech. They fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

slender 2010-03-24 22:27

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HumanPenguin, Hmm nice to know this but you realize that there is huge amount of people to whom computer/technology is not tool to do work. Itīs the way to entertain yourself and some people might think that after paying quite much they left all the "hard" brain work to Nokia.

But yeah word like "Normal" is quite dangerous to use, but on some level I understood what he actually meant by using this word. Thanks to my dear lovely friends and family who keep remembering me what itīs really like to be "end user". *sigh*

Fargus 2010-03-24 22:32

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
I've just read through this thread. There are points on both sides and some sensible ideas about improving reactions to people getting in over their head. The one thing I am more concerned about is people simply adding testing and dev repositories willy-nilly. Is this a case of not clear enough warnings in language understood by less technically savy uses or is it just being ignored?

slender 2010-03-24 22:40

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fargus (Post 581127)
I've just read through this thread. There are points on both sides and some sensible ideas about improving reactions to people getting in over their head. The one thing I am more concerned about is people simply adding testing and dev repositories willy-nilly. Is this a case of not clear enough warnings in language understood by less technically savy uses or is it just being ignored?

There is n+1 different blogs and forum thread telling people "do this and this" without giving any warnings so I would not be surprised to see more people coming here and telling that "Nokia has fck up their system" :)

xomm 2010-03-24 22:52

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As a result of this thread, I've decided to devote my spring break to "noobify" wiki documentation (where necessary), and creating tutorials.

Help to spread the knowledge and expand the maemo wiki. (wiki.maemo.org).

Fargus 2010-03-24 22:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xomm (Post 581155)
As a result of this thread, I've decided to devote my spring break to "noobify" wiki documentation (where necessary), and creating tutorials.

Help to spread the knowledge and expand the maemo wiki. (wiki.maemo.org).

Now that reaction has to be noted as star quality! Lets hope the krma system provides you adequate reward.

uTMY 2010-03-24 23:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IX DarKRidE XI (Post 580981)
Hi , a while ago I posted this thread , and did every step as it been told me to do , but when i tried to run the exe . , i was able to run nothing ... insted of a smartphone i got a stupidphone , .....lol...enough...going to take him to nokia care center...my litle dumbass baby lol...

Just thinking I might not try to help you again if you don't reply.

rgds
uTMY

danx 2010-03-25 00:14

Re: Help !! VIRUS?!!!!
 
hey , hey .. you guys have to understand that not a lot of people know that you have to put some time into a this phone. I don't know anything about programing but i got this phone anyways. Love that people have the same ideas as i do but they know how to make it happened. Just remember, the more people thatlike phones like these the better funding we will have for the future ... coming out with a open phone is risky because most people don;t know how to adjust and fix and install .Please be patient with the non geeks. ( Geeks in this site is an honor to be called) that freak out . they do not know what they do ... .

I am risky but not stupid !!!!


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