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wmarone 2010-04-08 18:34
Re: Programmers/Developers which ones are faster??? Your thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by junooni (Post 601392)
but maemo.org deals with the devices made by nokia, ppl are at maemo.org cus of nokia.
Not -because- of Nokia, -because- of maemo.

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U talk about Andriod, we all know how new that software is and yet it was able to develop better and alot more pieces of software
Android was targeted at carriers and developers from the start. It's also a very self-contained system that is only open by virtue of Google buying them up. Maemo was not targeted like that, not even with the release of the N900.

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in comparison to the so called hitech, extra ordinary, open source, and unlimited linux based OS.
So you're resorting to open source and Linux bashing, I see.

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Originally Posted by junooni (Post 601397)
As the man posted above its works for the customer..so its a win win situtation for the developer.
It -might- work for the customer. Personally I like the community repository and open source aspects of Maemo, it keeps the ones trolling for pocket change at a distance.

junooni 2010-04-08 19:33
Re: Programmers/Developers which ones are faster??? Your thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 601409)
Not -because- of Nokia, -because- of maemo.


Android was targeted at carriers and developers from the start. It's also a very self-contained system that is only open by virtue of Google buying them up. Maemo was not targeted like that, not even with the release of the N900.


So you're resorting to open source and Linux bashing, I see.


It -might- work for the customer. Personally I like the community repository and open source aspects of Maemo, it keeps the ones trolling for pocket change at a distance.

WOW Fella! u just cant get over that bashing part don't u?
Im not bashing anyone// ...if you cant take prositive critisicm then thats too bad. Besides its not even criticising developers/programmers its diredted towards nokia.

wmarone 2010-04-08 19:44
Re: Programmers/Developers which ones are faster??? Your thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by junooni (Post 601517)
WOW Fella! u just cant get over that bashing part don't u?
Im not bashing anyone
You're bashing Maemo for not being right up there with Android and iPhoneOS, when Nokia explicitly did not target them with this device. They went right back to the audience for their prior internet tablets.

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if you cant take prositive critisicm then thats too bad.
Criticizing the community here for Nokia's actions is just annoying. The community here has gone above and beyond to make development easier, but there's only so much they can do.

Mixu 2010-04-08 20:20
Re: Programmers/Developers which ones are faster??? Your thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by pinsh (Post 600519)
There seem to be many professional C# developers in this thread who seem be having a hard time starting Qt development.

I'm just curious.. didn't you guys learn C++ in college?
Yes, I also did some assembler code but that doesn't mean that I want to use it for application development :) C# pays my bills but I have grown to like the language. There are many nice features and small things that makes C# quite elegant in my opinion.
But C++ is not the problem. Problem is that the development process and tools are not well documented and refined (as stated few time already in this thread) compared to for example C# and .Net framework. But I tried to install the development tools about a year ago. Probably everything is improved since then. At least there has been many good tips in this thread.

Now I only need to find time for development. That's the toughest problem to solve at the moment! ;)

junooni 2010-04-08 20:43
Re: Programmers/Developers which ones are faster??? Your thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 601531)
You're bashing Maemo for not being right up there with Android and iPhoneOS, when Nokia explicitly did not target them with this device. They went right back to the audience for their prior internet tablets.


Criticizing the community here for Nokia's actions is just annoying. The community here has gone above and beyond to make development easier, but there's only so much they can do.
Seriousely man! u just dont get it..

junooni 2010-04-08 21:49
Re: Programmers/Developers which ones are faster??? Your thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 601409)
Not -because- of Nokia, -because- of maemo.


Android was targeted at carriers and developers from the start. It's also a very self-contained system that is only open by virtue of Google buying them up. Maemo was not targeted like that, not even with the release of the N900.


So you're resorting to open source and Linux bashing, I see.


It -might- work for the customer. Personally I like the community repository and open source aspects of Maemo, it keeps the ones trolling for pocket change at a distance.

http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_os_40...-news-1562.php

now let's say this is fart aapish too...and it's for younger age group.
And both u & I are on this forum, watch apple deliving it right on time as promised. That should be the track record for a company.

wmarone 2010-04-09 02:55
Re: Programmers/Developers which ones are faster??? Your thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by junooni (Post 601783)
http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_os_40...-news-1562.php

now let's say this is fart aapish too...and it's for younger age group.
And both u & I are on this forum, watch apple deliving it right on time as promised. That should be the track record for a company.
Fine fine, you're right I'm wrong. Everything about Nokia is horrible, and I'm mistaken for having bought an N900 and enjoying the experience and the community.

Is that more what you were looking for?

johnny_knoe 2010-04-09 13:34
Re: Programmers/Developers which ones are faster??? Your thoughts
 
This thread goes to the same direction like the thread i started here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48626

Why are there way more apps out there for android and the iphone and why do almost all of them offer a good end-user experience? I really don't want to bash the maemo developers here. I really like the N900 and the available applications. Rather i'm looking for similarities between maemo and symbian, a plattform which suffers from the same problems. And this similarity is... Nokia. Why is it so complicated for such a big company to work closer with the software developers and the community? Maemo is more or less a Nokia project, Qt belongs to Nokia and the N900 is obviously also a Nokia product. So why isn't there a one-click installation which sets up a development environment? I'm no programmer, maybe it's more complicated than i think?
Or is it linux? Actually, i'm a windows only user, but a few years ago i wanted to get linux a try. I installed suse linux and relatively fast i ran into problems with my ati graphics card. So i searched the internet, found some forum post and wikis. But all instructions were somehow incomplete and to difficult to understand for a newbie like me. So i opended up some threads on a linux board and got similar reactions like from bandora (post #4): "look here and there, if you don't understand this then first look there..." and so on. No one gave me a concrete answer to my questions. So i gave up und uninstalled suse a few days later. It seems many users only wanted to educate me as a linux expert by reading hundreds of pages. Not everbody has time for that if he just wants to fix a single specific problem.
Just my experiences with linux...

Mixu 2010-04-09 14:40
Re: Programmers/Developers which ones are faster??? Your thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by johnny_knoe (Post 602794)
Rather i'm looking for similarities between maemo and symbian, a plattform which suffers from the same problems. And this similarity is... Nokia. Why is it so complicated for such a big company to work closer with the software developers and the community? Maemo is more or less a Nokia project, Qt belongs to Nokia and the N900 is obviously also a Nokia product. So why isn't there a one-click installation which sets up a development environment? I'm no programmer, maybe it's more complicated than i think?
I don't know. Maybe Nokia has consider itself as a hardware manufacturer and software hasn't been consider important? Development tools don't need to be super easy to install. Developers usually aren't computer illiterate. Of course you have to remember that Nokia bought Qt only two years ago. I have no idea what was the development tools state at that time but if they were not good, I would expect it to take quite long time to develop better ones. But I'm just speculating since I haven't used the tools!

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Originally Posted by johnny_knoe (Post 602794)
Or is it linux? Actually, i'm a windows only user, but a few years ago i wanted to get linux a try. I installed suse linux and relatively fast i ran into problems with my ati graphics card. So i searched the internet, found some forum post and wikis. But all instructions were somehow incomplete and to difficult to understand for a newbie like me. So i opended up some threads on a linux board and got similar reactions like from bandora (post #4): "look here and there, if you don't understand this then first look there..." and so on. No one gave me a concrete answer to my questions. So i gave up und uninstalled suse a few days later. It seems many users only wanted to educate me as a linux expert by reading hundreds of pages. Not everbody has time for that if he just wants to fix a single specific problem.
Just my experiences with linux...
Linux is not the problem. I have Ubuntu in my netbook and it works better than Windows. For example bluetooth dongle and 3G usb modem both worked out of the box with Ubuntu. But IMO that's not really relevant to this discussion why development has been lacking in Maemo world.

junooni 2010-04-09 15:17
Re: Programmers/Developers which ones are faster??? Your thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by johnny_knoe (Post 602794)
This thread goes to the same direction like the thread i started here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48626

Why are there way more apps out there for android and the iphone and why do almost all of them offer a good end-user experience? I really don't want to bash the maemo developers here. I really like the N900 and the available applications. Rather i'm looking for similarities between maemo and symbian, a plattform which suffers from the same problems. And this similarity is... Nokia. Why is it so complicated for such a big company to work closer with the software developers and the community? Maemo is more or less a Nokia project, Qt belongs to Nokia and the N900 is obviously also a Nokia product. So why isn't there a one-click installation which sets up a development environment? I'm no programmer, maybe it's more complicated than i think?
Or is it linux? Actually, i'm a windows only user, but a few years ago i wanted to get linux a try. I installed suse linux and relatively fast i ran into problems with my ati graphics card. So i searched the internet, found some forum post and wikis. But all instructions were somehow incomplete and to difficult to understand for a newbie like me. So i opended up some threads on a linux board and got similar reactions like from bandora (post #4): "look here and there, if you don't understand this then first look there..." and so on. No one gave me a concrete answer to my questions. So i gave up und uninstalled suse a few days later. It seems many users only wanted to educate me as a linux expert by reading hundreds of pages. Not everbody has time for that if he just wants to fix a single specific problem.
Just my experiences with linux...
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


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