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I think I can only jealous about Apple, they seems to do every marketting RIGHT :(

http://news.mingpao.com/cfm/Search2.cfm?Keyword=iPad , may require a subscription to read.... the following is a Google translation, one can still guess the content

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Ming Pao, a HongKong Chinese newspaper, Apple's iPad, not only shocked the Tablet PC sector, but even the car audio industry has a great impact, because in the April 3 iPad listed on the same day, California, a car audio company SoundMan Car Audio, immediately iPad transplant car above is the original car, Toyota Tacoma farmers large LCD touch panel head removed, and then position the center console to increase sound box fitted iPad. And because the body iPad thin, so installation is fully fit spaces. Voice connection, will iPad split on an Onkyo ND-S1 digital music processor, the iPad the sound system into car audio formats, and then split on a Audison Bit One controller, to adjust the volume, quality and all the speaker's voice allocation, and finally connected to the top of the McIntosh MCC406M amplifiers, will iPad instead of the traditional car audio head, not only more convenient storage and broadcast songs, watch films of the screen is bigger, for the first time join the PC in the car's features, such as the Internet and word processing, would soon wave of Hong Kong would follow the example of one owner.
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If I drive a lot, and with a good dataplan, this is, kind of, fun. No flash though, still not up to N900 standard :). Well, when it is on the road, iPad's slightly larger sreen, approximately 15 N900s, does help

bun

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actually I am starting to believe that any apple product that is not 'complete' as in doesn't have a lot of options like for example multitasking and/or for example a more than 3.2mp camera or so on...is part of their marketing.
I think that in a couple of years apple is going to release the ultimate product or mobile phone, after they have sucked enough money from their fanboys/girl.

>the above post is purely based on the author's (Delta) own opinions/views.

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I hope they won't go into diamond business.

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Apple will never release any products that the majority of the users here deem 'feature complete'. It's a completely different market...

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While I agree, I wonder, (not trying to insult you) do you think Apple release products with features out there people do want but through a combination of their marketing and peer pressure convince people that they don't really need that feature?

That is until they add it if they can get it working to their standards?

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they have a user experience that is great for 90% off all users. Most people do not want to be able to tweak and change things. They just want a device that can play music/movies/games and make phone calls with no issues. The Iphone wins for all of those users.

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It might look like that, but Apple hit mobile phone market with product that didn't exist before and a really good one. The real problem start when they have grown enough and met the market like Nokia.

Iphone OS hasn't really done anything amazing in 3 years time. Nothing that WM7 couldn't fight in USA and nothing that Nokia's fresh UI with MeeGo couldn't win it's market share back partly. Not to even talk about Android.

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I wonder if the marketing trick is they leave out something popular, and then add it in an update at the end, so that users can't complain.

For example, can't complain about iPhone not having copy/paste because they eventually added it. A couple years from now we won't be able to complain about iPad not having multi-task, because the fans shall defend the iPad by referring to the feature update that was called multi-tasking.

Leave something out that you know you can easily fix later, and you shall instantly be able to turn your negative publicity into a positive whenever you want.

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google should get together with device companies and dream up a unified connector, as that seems to be what makes i(pod/phone/pad) appeal to the various car and stereo companies.

but then i guess it also appeals somewhat that all those devices have had the same basic footprint. If you cant fit a ipad, you can probably also fit a ipod or iphone in the same slot. Its the one place apple seems to have been bending over backwards to maintain backwards compatibility the way microsoft have been doing on their OS releases. Their ball is rolling, and now they have to make sure the surface stays as friction free as possible so that no other ball may catch up.

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Yes, I think it's a combination of all of those. Leaving out features make the product simpler (to understand, to use, to support, etc), while giving an obvious upgrade path to charge high premiums on.

I think Jobs is a genius snake oil salesman, but I also think he's a genius UI\UX designer. Their UI\UX might be too simplistic\restrictive for most people who like to tinker with their gadgets; but I think it's damn near perfect for what the product was inteded for. I believe their last few products (iPhone, iPod Touch, Apple TV, iPad) are in the appliance category, while they have the guts made out of components that are used by other companies to make computer systems or whatnot.

@tso: can they just implement an (ip based) protocol over USB 3.0 or something? or how about using mini-USB for that; so it charges and sync with the current standard..

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and have your loyal followers buy buy buy...

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that may be true for the US mobile market, but i am not sure its true for the global market. Still, when it comes to tech, most places, excepting japan and taiwan, seems to look towards USA no matter if the tech is superior or inferior. If the US tech press declares it good, then is "must" be good for the rest of the world also...

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I completely agree with you on that account. That and they also have pretty good customer service (something Nokia and other companies, even Google needs to learn from). Though some things like their placement of the water sensor detectors on the iPhone bugs me. Really? It's near the headphone jack? I understand all companies put them in there to prevent people who dropped their phone in water from using the warranty to get a new device. But the one in the iPhone that's near the headphone jack bugs me, it seems sweat could get in there if your exercising.

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So when Apple will buy Nokia? Who knows me might, one day, have an iPhone N900 run on Meego/iPhone OS, with all the things that geeks could dream about.

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@Laughing Man: I'm not familiar with the water sensor issue. Is that the only water sensor inside the device? Perhaps they have a few near the openings to determine the point of entry (of liquid) in case of water damage?

I agree with your comment about their customer service. My personal experience with their customer service has been quite good, they tend to be on the 'lenient' side when you have issues with the product.

@jules.tartonpillon: When Apple acquires a company, they extract the company's strengths and assimilate them into Apple's singular product portfolio... I'm afraid there's zero chance of meego running on any of apple's device even if the far-out Nokia buy-out scenario plays through..

Anyhow, the main problem is that: Although Apple works hard to make designs that appeals to their customers and maintain their satisfaction level; >90% of the users of this forum does not belong in that subset. We are not their target userbase.

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http://techgeist.net/2009/09/apple-i...ors-abusing-2/

Sensationalist headline, but it's one of the first ones I found after clicking around after a "water sensor iPhone" Google search. Basically it seems that Apple has several water sensors in the iPhone (well I think more like 2-3) [they also have a patent pending on it I think -_-] that they say is used to tell where the water comes from. One being near the headphone jack. But the problem is some people are accidentally triggering them and some Apple stores will sometimes void the warranty due to water damage despite the internal water sensor not being triggered.

I brought that up since it's one of the few things I think is a problem with Apple customer service (well besides the natural variation you'll find in any customer service company where some CS people are just jerks).

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This is a standard business practice of diversifying the market, they teach on Business 101. :)

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in the same way that depending on when and where you fly, the price goes wild? So that routing via a different nation, and maybe staying a night will get a overall lower trip price?

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Yeah. For cases like this, I think you just need to try out your luck at their 'genius bars' and not open any case tickets so you can try it at other outlets if the first one doesn't work out =P

I notice that there are quite a large selection of '3rd party repair shops' too that caters to out-of-warranty Apple products. I guess that's one of the 'advantage' of popular devices that comes in limited model/configuration. It's cheaper to provide support for them (due to less spareparts to stock, fewer configurations to understand, etc).

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This is a rule of supply and demand.
If there is a high demand and low on supply, the price goes up.

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that may not be the full picture...
http://craphound.com/?p=2758

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Apple III
Lisa
Macintosh portable
Newton
OS9 (By far the worst OS I ever invested my money on)
Pippin
The huge clusterfuk known as Copland
IPod Hifi
Every mouse Apple ever produced (and every Apple mouse I ever owned)
AppleTV


Not so much gold in that list.


EDIT: Posted from my iMac.

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i cant help wonder if appletv can still be rescued. Basically, make a version thats iphone compatible (basically iphone hardware in a box) so that iphone/ipad games can be run on it, along with other iphone apps.

They could probably make it cheaper then xbox or playstation.

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I don't think iPhone/iPad games lend themselves that well for sofa+tv setting... (do they?).

But Steve has definitely smelled the blood in the gaming world and they know they can make headways into it for more $$$. Whether they plan to expand this to the (more cutthroat?) big screen console systems or not, that remains to be seen...

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AppleTV can't be saved, because it would require Apple to stop making it "Apple-only" solution. They could add digital-TV tuner, Blueray drive etc, but that won't happen. Steve will keep it as it is, i.e hardware to push Apple only services.

People allready have enough boxes in their living-room. They won't add one more box and remote that will only work with Apple's solutions.

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I used to accuse Nokia of doing the same thing. They never seemed to put all features into ONE device, so there wasn't any perfect device to be bought, even though collectively, all the features existed. At first I thought that maybe it would make the product too expensive, but then I started suspecting that if Nokia released "THE ULTIMATE" phone, there wouldn't be any incentive for people to buy a new version in a year or two.

Same thing for Apple. They could do a lot more, but choose not to for several reasons. One being that if they added a front facing camera from the start with APIs to control it, you wouldn't be nearly as likely to buy a new iPhone a year from now...

Just imagine when the next iPad comes out and it DOES have a front facing camera, how Steve will be frothing at the mouth, telling us how beauuutiful and amazing and awesome it is to video chat with his friend John Appleseed.

The other reason is that they don't want to release this feature until they have perfected it. That's one thing I really admire with Apple (have to admit it). They take a feature and (almost) perfect it and release it with the next product update, usually working better than all the competitors.

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even the poop Job pushed out turns to gold...:)

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That's what they did with multitasking.

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id better stick my laptop on my dashboard

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I could write very long list of stuff that Apple has arrived late, but implemented it perfectly once they got there. However, mobile-multitasking would never make it to that list. In fact, it would be on my Apple failure list. It took them years to get there and they managed to copy the worst impementation of it from Symbian.

Apple's recent plunders on multitasking actually remind me how far behind competion they were on that front with OS7-9 around late 80's - late 90'. Mac OS was about decade late to multitasking on desktop, but once it got there on OS X it was divinely good. IPhone OS will get there one day.

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Eh, it's debatable whether Apple's implementation of multi-tasking is good or bad. For example, the N900's multi-tasking is more like a computer's multi-tasking. Apps run full throttle (unless they are coded to pause or stop when they lose foreground focus). You have a task manager that manages all the different applications Apple's multitasking (along with Android and I believe Windows Mobile Phone 7 Series) is more for smartphones, where you may or may not need an app to run full throttle.

It's an interesting implementation, I personally don't like it Android's (well maybe not as much I don't know enough about Android's but I heard some apps are closed or save state), Microsoft (I'm going quit saying Windows Mobile Phone 7 Series) and Apple's version of multi-tasking since they seem too restrictive. I much rather have a system where I get to learn yes it's a bad idea to have gpodder, and feedingit update at the exact same time. =P

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my understanding is that android do it much the same way as iphoneos, only that they leave it to the devs to figure out what parts to background rather then stop.

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You have a multi touch laptop???

Putting an iPad on the dash board may NOT be such a good idea for the LCD to expose to direct sunlight under greenhouse effect 24/7

bun

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This is a misleading statement. It could suggest computer-savy users, that N900 apps are running all the time eating CPU cycles and battery power.
When in fact Maemo (Linux) is a modern, event-driven operating system, where most of the apps most of the time are 'sleeping' and doing nothing, waiting for some event (user action, data packet on the wire, etc.) to happen. Processor is able to lower its MHz clock and even stop completely if nothing is really happening. It just sits idle waiting for an interrupt signal to wake it.

Of course, when you run CPU or I/O intensive app, the events are coming so quick, that the processor scales its MHz to the full, and app is working all the time. This is a case for games and interactive apps.

But most of the time (even if you are listening to music in the background) the machine is just idling, doing nothing. :)

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i think the fear is that one badly coded program that do not correctly idle in the background will "kill" the battery at the worst possible moment.

but then thats why i go for a two device setup. One tablet, one phone, and use the phone to connect the tablet to the net as needed.