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To believe in the big bang theory in a logical argument is saying that one believes if time and conditions were correct then something would come into existence.

As a basic example, if you were to put all the components that make up the N900 on the ground in the UK and a strong wind or force is applied - it would develop into a fully working N900 with PR 64.4, and an incredible battery-life of 80 to 100 years form one single charge.

I could work in portrait mode almost straight out of the womb. But no, the N900 needs some intelligent developers and programmers to work on it.

Some more controversy: Would the N900 or whatever device you want to compare for that matter, ever become a better device if you were just to leave it over time?

Perhaps a simplistic analogy but it does appeal to common sense. Big Bang Theory, what a load of nonsense.

Next you'll be telling me that Global Warming is not a natural phenomenon that is cyclical in its very nature.

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@cardiff-blues - read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins.

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Even Einstein believed there was a creator behind all things seen and unseen which Dawkins does not. Does that make Einsteen deluded?

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Uh ho - logical fallacies off the starboard bow

Regardless, Google's top link on this kinda muddies the water http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/

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So you are suggesting that all the great men and women who have ever contributed anything of worth and value to this world that have believed in God are deluded?

Well that's your decision and that's your choice. For me, I have my own decision and that is my choice. As to who's right and who's wrong we'll just have to wait and see when we draw our final breath.

But I'd rather trust in the God of creation than in Richard Dawkins.

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Even if there is no controversy, at least we have to teach the kids that there is one.

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You've just created a straw man argument of what you wanted me to say and then attacked that. I never suggested that anyone form the past that believed in god is delusional. In human history people have believed all kinds of different things. With current knowledge and study, there should be no need to have belief in gods (or similar superstitions).

Richard Dawkins is merely a scholar who has proposed a theory backed up with well referenced and researched evidence. Most of the ideas he has are not really even his own, just something he has compiled and meta-analysed. I wouldn't say that having trust in him as the same as a God or Prophet - he certainly doesn't have followers in a spiritual sense.

But like as you say, luckily we have a choice in this country to believe it what we like.

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Well at least we agree on something :)

We do live in a country that values free choice, all though, even that has been recently eroded. And a country, I might add, whose legal system has been based upon the 10 commandments.

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hm better keep religious talk at bay. i had a hard time NOT posting in the other poll thread. (and was quite disappointed in flandry taking the last word in that way...)


i think the Big Bangers have a lot of evidence going for them right now, background radiation, expansion and so forth. i'm quite conviced that it closely approximates the truth, though it still needs some work.

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This really isn't religious talk as we are not really discussing religion. It is, as perhaps some might discern, a controversial discussion in a controversial thread, regarding the existence of a Creator God against a Theory called the Big Bang.

The only way to form an honest opinion is to be utterly truthful with oneself, even if that goes against your current belief system or the belief system of those around you.

We all have this journey through life and at times we all have to think about why we are here and the meaning of life. That is something that seems to be inbuilt, dare I say pre-programmed in us all.

I have had my say in this thread and contributed. Thanks for reading and God Bless, even if you don't believe in God.