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why am i reminded of ye old royalty, and how there was a rebellion in some part of the world because they where taxed without a say in the process?

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do that include read and write access to at least a uncontrolled section of the iphone FS? Heck, currently the iphone do not have a file manager, iirc. my last 2 dumbphones can do better then that, especially if i plugged them into a computer.

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The iPad has a storage mode, supposedly, for some portion of the iPad's file system. I'm not sure of the details, I just remember that it was part of the feature list (that you can use it as a general/generic USB storage device, for a _portion_ of its capacity).

But, I was talking more about the other way around: the ability to use USB storage devices (generally, not just the SD card reader dongle). I expect that it can already do that, because of the camera kit having both an SD card reader AND a USB port for USB sync'ing cameras. But it isn't documented what all of the USB devices are that it supports.

It may be that #1 is basically already true (if the USB Host port dongle in the camera kit can work with all storage devices, keyboards, and maybe mice and modems). It just might not be fully documented and fully supported. That's what I'd want (partially so that it can't be removed later). Plus, I'd want to see similar support on the iPhone and iPod Touch. Though, that might require a new dock connector for those two devices.

However, yes, also being able to use the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad as a USB storage device, for a portion of the file system that does not contain things like the OS, and DRM'ed/managed/etc. files, would be nice as well.

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i have heard of that storage area, but the latest i read on the ipad as a "productivity" tool indicated that the only ways to get files to or from the ipad, that could be accessed by apps while on the ipad, was itunes or email.

basically, no hooking the pad up to a random computer, copy some spreadsheets over, work on them on said pad, and then copy them back on a computer.

the storage area you mention sounds seperated from the rest by a virtual air gap...

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I don't see a problem at all. An Apple only future will come only if development on every thing else stops. Right now, Apples momentum is formidable. However, things change. :)

When I first saw the iPhone and it's approach it seemed vaguely familiar...
I posted that it went against the grain of what the internet/web was about regarding open standards...
Then I saw sales take off and looked at the people who were buying it.
I read statements like "Apple knows what I want before I do..." etc. And that feeling of familiarity came over me again.

Newer models and even greater sales numbers followed. A good many of the people who were buying these things though had never owned a "Smart" phone and may have only used their previous phones to make phone calls. For some, the most they ever did other than that was to forward a risqué animated GIF of Santa Claus making Rudolf's nose so bright via MMS. :D

Cute, but at the end of the month they saw their carriers had nickeled and dimed them for these MMS and SMS messages and that fad sort of died.

Meanwhile geeks were struggling with WAP on 1.2 inch screens and again the carriers and manufacturers were either nickle and diming them for connection costs or manufacturers saw no need to provide much more than a 2 inch screen.

Then the light bulb went off over my head and the feeling of familiarity crystallized for me.
I now saw the IPhone as AOL all over again. :eek:

Back in that day. Folks with home computers used them to collect recipes or sort holiday greeting card lists and if the did have a connection it was at most 28K over POT.
The geeks had Comp-U-Serve and this new web thing if they could get a socket up and running, but that was it. Those with MAC had AOL. (It was called something else IIRC)

Once socket connectons became viable you could explore all 2500 or so web pages that were available.:D

Then BAM! US Robotics @ 56K, Windows95, and those free AOL disks that were every freakin' where.
The geeks kept rockin' the net with Archie, Gopher, Veronica and Jughead... then Mozilla/Netscape... and usage grew slowly at first.

Meanwhile millions of families began buying Buffy and Junior that new PC to help them with their homework... and bonus! The ones at CompUSA (remember them, lol) come with Windows95 and a free trial of this Internet everyone was talking about. It was just what dad was looking for to spend that tax rebate check on. The world was coming off a deep recession (just as it is today) and dang it, this was the future and nothing is too good for Buffy and Junior.

...except it wasn't the Internet dad. It was AOL.

Back then I saw stuff like this:
"It's just like the internet only better!" or,
"AOL is much safer for the kids. God only knows what those geeks are up to."
And the one that lit the light bulb for me, "With keyword searches, it's like AOL knows what I need before I do." :eek:

AOL made buckets of money... 10 years ago they bought Time-Warner with all that loot in order to bring "content to America's living rooms in a whole new way". Sound familiar?

What was that guys name anyway? Case? I can't even remember his first name.

The same thing that happened then is happening now, increased bandwidth became available to a larger percentage of the population. And, independent development continued.

As DSL became widely available, AOL users found that they could more easily reach the limits of their walled garden. "Is that it?", they may have wondered.

As browsers and the operating system's that ran them became friendlier, AOL users began to realize that they were paying a dang premium for content the could get for free or for just the cost of their ISP.
"I'm paying how much a month to use AOL when the "real" web is right there?"

I see the iPad as AOL 5.0

It is coming at a time when more people will have access to increased affordable mobile bandwidth and the development of friendlier open source mobile operating systems continues. :)

Apple will make wheelbarrows full of money but Iphone and IPad users may soon start to ask the same questions that AOL users did then; "Is that it? and, "Including the cost of the hardware, I'm paying how much a month just to use this dang thing?".

The only difference is that this time only one corporate entity is reaping the benefits. (Apple alone vs. AOL + WinTel). Jobs obviously learned from the past. Also like in the past; was there ever another version of AOL that increased revenues as much as AOL 5.0 did?

***

Just like we owe a debt of gratitude to AOL for the low cost of broadband today, in the future we will be grateful that Apple introduced so many more people to mobile internet use. I know I am. :)

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I was thinking of the same parallel with AOL.

I remember going to a friend's house who had AOL, and I kept looking for IE to surf, and buried there in the middle of that awful morass that was the AOL browser? homepage? was this button that reads "Go onto the Internet". And I'm thinking to myself, Aren't I already on the internet, duh? Another friend of mine said, "It's like you're leaving a building"!

To the people who have commented in this thread and essentially said, "It can only happen to them, not me," my response would be, If it happens to enough of them, it will happen to you too by default.

That is to say, if you inhabit the same world as the people who control the world, you will by necessity live under their rule systems, and their habits and methods. You will inevitibly be absorbed into their way of thinking. If you doubt that, ask yourself why so many people you know don't question being told what to do and when to do it.

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the important diff is that you could use the same computer for aol and for internet. Do that apply for ipad? would this not be the same as if aol had been selling their own computers?

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If Apple want to build a walled-garden for their goaty-bearded, polar-neck wearing "creative" people that's fine.

Keeping them in one place is safer for the internet.

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That would be the case if iPad don't come with a browser.

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Funniest thing I read was specualtion that slow sales could possibly as a result of people waiting for the add on peripherals, such as the keyboard. THE ****ING KEAYBOARD?!!!

Seriously.. I feel like the world is slowly going mad.

Apple = The Emperor's new computer..

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It has already surpassed web pages viewed per owner more than any smartphone device including the iphone.

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Yep, Apple is going to sell a bazillion of them. Because in the final analysis, THIS is what people want - a safe, functional internet. It may not be the internet with all the porn and malware, but it's the internet with the useful stuff.

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@Tedri Mark: Slow sales where...? It's selling briskly on every country that Apple is currently selling afaik. They quickly sell out of stock everytime it's replenished.

@Schettj: There is no safeguard/censorship on their browser though (other than the one 'provided' by lack of flash, lol). What Apple controls tightly are apps and videos that gets distributed through their iTunes Store. You can load all the porns you want (and can handle) if they don't come from iTunes Store.

I think this will matter more when porn interactive apps/games get more popular. You know, the ones with wireless dildo accessories *G*

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its amazing to see how stupid people are that they would actually go and buy an ipad which in essence is really just a bigger iphone and yet again still cant support flash.
What a waste of money. Only reason its selling is cause apple fans have to have everything apple makes.
I will give credit to apple on one thing tho, it has tons of amazing apps that cater for everyone and sometimes the unusual things.

but as far the ipad goes its a pointless buy

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Ugh god I just tried to find the article which cites lack of addons (keyboard etc) as a possible reason why sales have not been as fast adn cam across some horror:

This:
http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/05/16/...mini-notebook/
A protective case that adds a keyboard. This has been my argument all along, fair enough on a fone, where, adding a keyboard would incread thickness, but what's the point in not having one, if you already need a bag to carry the thing around?

And then this, which attempts to debunk the 'shortcomings':
http://chris.pirillo.com/are-apples-...-or-perceived/

" 7: Still no multitasking. Here’s a suggestion: focus on the task at hand instead of juggling? More to the point, research is now suggesting that multitasking actually slows us down! I’m not going to hold a device responsible for what neuroscientists say is a shortcoming in human wiring – and neither should you. Pay attention to that which needs it – and nothing more. There are certainly cases for needing more than one app open at a time, but not at the peril of a good (single) app experience. Knowwhatimean? "

Yeah, because it's sooooo much quicker to watch something download, and then start typing a document... Gah I reeeeaaally hate this thing.

Can you tell?

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@badboyuk: I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how much use and functions you'll get out of a tablet of that size, whenever a flavor that you'd tolerate come by and you get one of those. By the looks of it, Android will come first in a few a months and MeeGo is still in the distant. I also thought it'll just be an oversized iPod Touch at first, but I was quite wrong.

@Tedri: Ok, I understand your enormous hatred for Apple and everything it represents ;) You may not care about the facts of your arguments anyway..

ps: background downloading is supported by Apple's implementation of multitasking.... also, there were actually a few well backed researches that proved that the way people multitask on their computer actually makes them less productive than if they sit and focus on one thing at a time.

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http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyb...l-leak-icc-id/

Makes you wonder about functional. :)

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Apple products are just one of the most tightly closed source there is, N900 is just when open source is overdone :D

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The leak was from AT&T's registration system. Technically, it has nothing to do with the iPad's design.

ps: I saw another post about AT&T's email to their affected customers earlier today. So I guess they have finally notified the affected parties.

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At the end of the day
http://www.icanhaszooloo.com/uploads...myfXwOPzBj.gif


Is this Apple's fault or AT&T's?
If you bought a wifi only iPad, i doubt AT&T would have your address

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I really do, don't I? I think it's the big suckering people in I don't like...
(Although I am considering getting a beefy mac to run serato Video SL. Seems it's the only configuration consistent enough for them to say "Yes, this will work flawlessly" )

I will vouch for that fact. Without multitasking I would probably have shut down firefox and cracked on with the bit of Actionscript that I was planning to have finished today.. But that's not the kind of multitasking I'm talking about. I don't need to 'concentrate' on downloading a massive .rar when I could be working at the same time...

Are apple products good? Definitely. Are they the technical revolution they generally purport to be? I'm not convinced..

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Heheheh, love that gif...:D

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People that can be suckered by Apple's marketing... aren't interested to learn more about 'the magic' behind the curtain anyway. They use a different metric to make decisions on their computer/gadget/appliances purchase.
That don't bother me.. as long as people get what they expect out of their purchases and happy about it past the unboxing stage :)

Yes, it's really easy to get sidetracked in these days n age. Truly information overload everywhere we turn. But that's not what those researches were talking about either.

Yes, that's one of the main reason I jailbroke all my iphones. To background download tasks, maintain active ssh/vnc/rdp connections and listen to streamed audio. Luckily, the multitasking implemention in iOS4 supports background downloading and audio/voip streaming, among other things.

I think most knowledgeable people will attribute apple as successful in ui and form design, above technical revolutionaries.

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Apple creates products that you want to use time and time again AND want to tell your friends about it.

It has nothing to do with users not knowing alternatives or not being as knowledgeable.

They will never let a product to market with as many deficiencies as the n900. Much less not support it after its release. Step 1 out of 5 or step 4 out of 5.

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All true. I just wince every time I hear someone say 'Oh I'm getting a Mac because it's better for photoshop'

Can you please explain to me how photoshop on a mac could be any better than the same program on a similar specced PC?

I just don't get it, to me it seems like a hangover from the early 90s when PCs were still black and yellow screens with spreadsheets, and apples had a whole host of creative software..

And I'm not saying this to try to start a PC/Apple fight, I've just never been able to find a satisfactory answer..

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I think that's what I hate most about them. The hypnostyrene packaging, which compells you to recruit more members... :D

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Yeah I agree you could get a pleasant use out of it but its the software side of things that lets it down. Cant play divx/mkv files, cant browse flash websites. As I said it is just simply an enlarged iphone.
If and when it starts supporting other features like i mentioned then it would be worth while getting. I assume meego or android will conquer this aspect prob.

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@Tedri: I thought it's the other way around for the last few creative suite iterations. Apple has published a couple of acceleration APIs that adobe has failed to take advatange of. I heard it's finally implemented on the newest CS.

Heh, what's wrong about not having to fight with your gadgets :D

@badboyuk: Can the n900 play mkv files? If you still have to transcode them to lower resolution/bitrate anyway, I dont see the advantage of format/container compatibility. You know about those 100s of people who've made cursory observation of the N900 and dismissed it on some tech spec/looks/3rd hand reviews and how you think they're wrong? You're doing it here :)

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Both. Design and implementation. I doubt the access to all information using only an ID and e-mail is AT&T idea.

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okay so the n900 cant play mkv files as you've said but you can still stream it over, quality will vary. But my point is that if your going to spend a few hundred quid on a tablet such as the ipad then you would expect it to have these features an more, otherwise you could just get a laptop. The n900 is a tablet but also a phone yet is still superior to the ipad in the features. N900 can still play divx and that is great, what other phone/tablet can do that?
Okay apart from this feature the ipad isn't really worth getting as Apple have also been very fly as to the ports on it so you can't use any 3rd party adapters or cables on it and would have to buy their overpriced gear.
Limitations let the ipad down and therefore the price is unjustified.
And hey you can't make a call on the ipad! n900 yeah you can.
I would be more impressed if it could run windows 7/snow leopard on it and actually function more like a computer rather than just a big iphone for the visually impaired folk.
I know you will say in due time it will get better but what counts and matters is now :)

Im not an apple fan, never have been but I still give em credit where due but the ipad is just the most ridicilous waste of money gadget they have ever brought out seriously.

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They will also never allow a device that is as capable as the N900. You will only ever see locked down, restricted devices you are forced to jailbreak to get beyond what Apple has deemed as good for you.

Unfortunately, this caters more to the hyper-restrictive and greedy media industries than it does to any user.

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It has started bothering ME for a while now. Not because I don't want people to get what they want...

One of my bosses has an iPhone, simply because he can use it out-of-the-box (he's a non-techie), because he likes the interface of the phone app and all in all to him it's one of the more comfortable phones to use for business.

Perfectly legitimate reasons, so no problem with that. Actually, I once got myself an iPhone, too, because back then it was the only phone I could afford with a real internet browser. The interface never grew on me, but that's just preferences.

Yet what REALLY irks me - and actually makes me shiver in fear - is the by far larger part of the Apple followers.

(And don't take that personally - from the fact that you're actually literate enough to formulate your answers without every other word being "cool", "freakin'" and "looser" makes me believe that you're not one of those... :P :P :P )

A loose acquaintance of my mother once tried to brag with her oh-so wonderful iPod, that featured this revolutionary new technology called playlists (aha...?) and some other things unseen so far like "displaying the freaking name of the song!!!". And when I showed her my portable media player with unlimited on-the-go playlists, on-screen lyrics, video playback, optional TV antenna and FM functionality, her reply was: "Yes, but it's not made by Apple!"

Religious fanatism has always been highly dangerous, and that's exactly what blindly following every word of Steve Gods... sorry, Jobs... has turned into. I swear, the next preacher that tries to convince me that "this is exactly what you have been looking for this past 30 years - believe me, give it a try" will make the acquaintance of my old iPhone. Rectally.

Clearly these researches did not include a lot of the more intellectual tasks? At least I would like to know how people are supposed to write a scientific essay without multitasking. Write a sentence, save, close the text application, open the browser, find a piece of information, close the browser, open the text application, load the file, find their last sentence, add the new piece of information (provided by then they didn't already forget it)?

I know at least I am definitely more productive with my IDE in the foreground, an API collection just one click away, a browser behind that so I can instantly look up solutions to any problems I might encounter and a music player in background to fight off the screaming silence that would else kill my concentration.

True, multitasking can be a pain when kids are supposed to do their homework but their minds are more occupied with the constant influx of ICQ/Facebook/Twitter/whatever-they-are-all-calld messages, the cool series running on TV, their phone ringing in between those times when they are not writing text messages and their desktop buddy chasing their mouse pointer... :P

But people who are more responsible WILL concentrate on one thing and will only make the computer do the multitasking.

I hope it does supports multitasking with the eMail app and the internet browser? Because it's a real pain keeping myself from laughing out loud whenever I hear something like "I'll send it to you once I'm on my PC. I've already started writing a mail and don't want to loose that just so I can open your stupid website!".

(If they are finally implementing multi-tasking... why not FULLY?)

1) Then why is Apple trying to sell their products as such?

2) Like I said before, both UI and design are a matter of preference. I dare say I'm tech savvy (okay, I breath electro smog and my alphabet soup is made of "1" and "0" noodles :D ), but I never got used to the iPhone interface. Memories of that on-screen keyboard still make me wail in pain and I got myself a bag as soon as possible in order to get rid of that curved back.

I wouldn't even say that they managed to design something that most people like. I think they are just really, REALLY good at PR and turning everything into a hype.

(Not say that just because I don't like it they are not top notch at designing - I just really don't think that's the reason for their sales.)

3) Again, I don't (and I dare say very few of the other "haters") have a problem with those who prefer UI and design of Apple's products.

What's dangerous is those who would eagerly spend a fortune on a stone, if only it had a rotten apple painted on it's back, on one hand - because once those stones make the better part of the market share, producing computers and selling them at normal prices will no longer be attractive and EVERYBODY will be forced to deal with the painted rock.

And on the other hand those who love Apple for taking away their rights because "If I cannot decide, I cannot decide on the wrong thing, right?" are a rather disturbing sign of a rapidly declining society.

The current trend of "Please take me by the hand, I'm afraid of the free will monster" will eventually take us back into the Dark Ages, and by then us independent-minded people will either be forced to feign obedience or be burned as witches again.
(Allegorically... :P)

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Kewl, thx :D

I wouldn't call her 'stupid' by that one response, since she may be better than me in cooking, accounting, raising a family or whatever else. Personally, I think it's just a combination of brand trust due to her consistently positive past experience with said brand. We tend to simplify our decision making on things that are not in our core area of interest. Quick question, do you have a preferred brand of cooking pans? :D

Fanboyism exists on all consumer brands. It is an unfortunate social occurrence, but understandable.

I'm pretty sure the research and articles were talking about human multitasking, not implementation of OS multitasking...

One big difference between multitasking on a mobile handset vs desktop (With sufficient screen estate) is that viewing and manipulating multiple documents at the same time is possible on a desktop while you cannot on a mobile device, simply because of the physical screen limitation. I think this weights heavily on mobile multitasking implementation design.

AFAIK, those two apps have always been able to run in the background from iPhone 1.0. Emails are always checked\pushed in the background and your outbox are queued regardless of the mail apps running in the foreground or not. The browser seems to stays in memory for as long as possible (Depending on other apps needing ram).

Jobs said that it mainly has to do with optimizing power usage. I'm pretty sure that ranks in the top 3 (if not the top), other than Jobs' continuous need to control everything in his ecosystem.

As what? Can you point out to specific PR or Ad so we can discuss the same thing :D

There's no question they're one of the best if not the best in marketing their products (and ideas).... but their ui design are generally intuitive enough to be grasped by most people so it becomes easy to use even to those new to the device/platform, although usually limited in their configurability and extensibility.

OSK comment:
As far as on-screen keyboards are concerned, I think their implementation is better than Android. OSK on resistive screens are a pain to use compared those on capacitive, imho. But on the scale of preferences: most people prefer hardware keyboard over osk for obvious reasons, as I also do.

You should be relieved that they have unsuccessful products even in their current lineup :D Case in point: AppleTV... which is rumored to be updated soon.

I think this can spark an interesting discussion in a different thread, with a more specific example (just to make sure that everyone will be talking about the same thing).

But no one in their right mind starts out with "Please take me by the hand, I'm afraid of my own free will". It usually starts out by looking at the selections of what they can do/consume (if you're talking about media) among different platforms and how they're dressing the selections up.

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... so what if they are late to the party ? look at the sales ! they produce a product people want to buy and they do it well.

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want to buy, thanks to just about everything tech or lifestyle press have presented it on their front page as the "must have" gizmo for the "up to date" person.

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My point was that there were others already on the bandwagon. Funny how you criticize the least important part of my comment ;)

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Right, because that's all there is on the internet besides the safe, functional sites that you can view on your Apple device - porn and malware.

Here's your calculus, yes?

All things on my Apple device = safe and useful stuff
All things not on my Apple device = porn and malware

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Have you sen the new iWheel?

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how about that other iwheel?

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Watch this with The Apple in mind ;)

http://www.aisforapple.net/main.htm

Edit:Oh end even there is something about Mac as well ;)

This is amazing how S. Jobs with academic precision following patterns from marketing rules book, continue his business strategy. And millions are still blind, looking for some genius spark or paranormal activity behind. And slowly pointing technology to only one direction. And people love it, buy it. Until wake up and will be to late.

If other company will tell you that slim stuff is cool, You going to blame that is useless not handy, against ergonomic design etc etc. If Apple do that... everyone saying wow.

If somebody else introduced tablet, everyone was like no.. useless I prefer laptop or handset. Apple said we reinvented the Laptop and now is called tablet.. everyone saying wow.

What next huh? Apple net? AHTML? Apple TV? Don't let them treat people like total idiots! Please customers! And don't let to do so any other company as well.