Re: iPad = the end of the Internet?
 

WTF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgTcyjzXfTg

Pressure sensitivity & palm rejection on iPad's capacitive multitouch screen.

(Well technically they identify the shape of the contact area to react only to the 'stylus' and measure it to determine the 'pressure')

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Magical. Really. I'm not just saying these extra things to get my post long enough.

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I would still take a resistive screen over that any day. One of the MeeGo tablets was demoed on a resistive screen that does 5 finger multitouch.

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Lol no flash on a huge *** brick is no internet at all haahhaha

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quoted for posterity :)

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1. No Flash is a plus, not a minus (in my humple opinion). Flash cannot be called open standard at all.

2. Closed OS is a minus for a developer, for anybody who wants a real computer. But for somebody who wants a working phone/toy/book-reader, without any hacks and mods, closed OS is better: it guards against viruses and other problems. That's why well-polished Apple products are popular: they work as intended, are harmonious, and don't require DIY skills.

3. I hope that the people who use iPad and iPhone will complain to websites: please, give Flash-free version of the page --- while the people who use non-Apple products will develop their own websites/applications against Flash (like Firefox for mobile, which introduces better standards support).

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Heh.

I agree that Flash is yet another walled garden (though one with many doors connecting it to different platforms and they do give free maps to the curators), and we'd be better off if there's an open standard that can replace it.

My main problem with Apple vs Flash debacle is that Jobs is making use of his control over the iOS platform to censor what's in/out of his ecosystem. Good thing that this time it's somewhat in alignment with our interests. But I would still prefer if a new standard dukes it out with Flash in a free market and wins it on its own merit.

With iPhone/iPad's marketshare and demonstrated buying power, there's no need for them to 'complain' to websites..

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And that's your opinion. You belong to those 3% of customers who don't care. Mostly conservative developers or geeks who have access to many different options.

Conclusion exactly opposite to above, so you already supported theory that user don't care as long as his content is available without struggling around his toy. However if you calling Apple polished you slapping product designers into face as well as polish people :). Apple = good marketing. What is eye candy works for marketing as well. Take every single device to compare to competition and you will see there is creative thinking involved on much higher level.

I believe so. However (still from customer point of view) will take time for example HTML5 to reach flash RIA capability. Is far away from Industry standard yet. Doesn't provide content protection what is in many cases crucial for content providers.

From developer point of view? I have more trouble (processor usage) to scroll some simple html websites rather than full screen flash websites. Is all about developer quality as well. Flash was relatively easy to learn and bring many non-tech guys to the platform who begin deal with scripts. Sometimes result is dramatic you can say. HTML or Java Script is not easy? Its even easier I think, and everyone can put some junk to the web no matter what technology are you using.

Personally I think, if more those conservative developers could even try to develop something in Flash or HTML. Just one time. You quickly change your mind and became quality flash developer. The problem is most of people complain without get his hands dirty.

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It make me sad that you so often using Close Standard regarding to Flash as equal to Apple practice. There is Huge difference.

Action Script is open - industry standard language
Flex SDK - is open source
Tools - there is many different way to develop flash content for free
Flash Player - is closed but free of charge for users. The restrictions are ONLY for distributors

How does it affect customer?

Ok let's put this that way

Action Script Maemo is open - source OS
Flex SDK - QT is open source
Tools - there is many different way to develop flash Maemo content for free
Flash Player Device/Hardware - is closed but free of charge you need to buy it for users. The restrictions are ONLY for distributors

Using this scheme put Apple product here ;)

Ok I'll try

Language is open- industry standard but you have to stick to Apple rules. Cross compilers are not welcome.
SDK - is Closed source and you have to pay a fee to get into this world.
Tools - there is ONLY one way to develop content, Apple way non-free
Device - Device/Hardware - is closed

Re: iPad = the end of the Internet?
 

I do think the iPad is pointless, overhyped, and overpriced however saying that not one single device is going to kill the Internet.

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@devu: I'm not sure how you can directly compare 'flash' to 'apple' (or even the iOS with its AppStore) since they're not in the same market segment (yet?). And I wasn't even alluding to apple's solution nor html5 in my post, since there is no drop-in replacement for flash 5 yet.

But what's clear to me is that both companies make use of their ip and legal stangleholds to funnel their customers to a certain condition to improve their strategic positions and minimize competition.

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The point is that if you are on the Apple side, you are at the mercy of Steve's business interests. In that garden, it's "decide to kick/ban first, legalize later". The 'openness' of Flash and related tools is absolutely irrelevant. You don't see Zombieville kicked out of the AppStore even though it uses the Unity(3D) runtime and (gasp) it's C# scripting.

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iPad = the end of the Internet?

Absolutely not. Freedom is what the Internet feeds on. No device can stop it now.


iPad = the end of the Tablet PC?

Not really unless one is willing to adapt to a closed, finger-guided, app-driven experience. The Tablet PC can run many, many freeware "apps". While if a simple, long-term, lightweight mobility with media capabilities is desired, the iPad might make for a reasonable choice.

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When you control the means by which it is accessed, you can place whatever controls you want on it. With how Apple controls the iPad, they certainly can control what you see. They've banned Flash, and they've restricted how you can install software.

And, uh, the openness of languages and tools is irrelevant if the platform (Flash) is closed. Also, the fact that distributors have to pay is the reason we don't have Flash 10 at the moment.

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EU government will force Apple to enable flash content on the latter hopefully, be sure to stay tunned Steve Jobs

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Lol, i haven't read anything as misguided since this post :D