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It's unlikely, because I rigidly close all apps when I'm not using the tablet, but possible. I don't remember. Will give another chance to Telescope :) and consider using MicroB... thanks for the tip.

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You can edit 3 images in /usr/share/telescope/ in the way you want.
mrlanrat doing the application which is similar to Maemo5 menu.

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Thanks, any information released about menu yet?

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I only know (and already said it) what mrlanrat said me in PM.

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I'm working on a menu app. But with school and work, development is going slow. :( Ill post an alpha release as soon as I can.

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mrlanrat, thanks for all your work. BTW, thanks for the attachment in email.

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Indeed, if not for your entry in MWN, I would have missed this little gem entirely, and my N810 too ! Thanks Jaffa... oh, and thanks to the author(s), too :-)

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Back to Telescope... bug report:
Sometimes, when I close* all running apps, I get a blank screen with wallpaper only. I have to tap the screen for the statusbar and the taskbar to show.

* Edit: I'm talking about the conventional way, not from the Telescope appswitcher window.

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It's not a bug, it's the feature :) You should smile and behold your nice wallpaper :)

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LOL, then I have to post a new bug report: sometimes I don't get my beautiful wallpaper, there are those uuugly bars on it. ;)

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Alister, something goes wrong if u can't see your delicious wallpaper.
Please, can you find the way how to repeat this horrible situation so we will able to try to fix it.

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I see your drift now. Experimented a little more, and found out.

Never-ever use the blue X in the last version of Telescope, and you will stick with those terrible bars and desktop apps. :eek:

Tap it, then start any two or more apps (file manager, calculator, fbreader, emelfm2, you name it). Close them, and voila! Your precious. :p

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I misunderstood you. What I have to do to get this bug?

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Are you serious?

step 1: install telescope. :)
step 2: start file manager, x-term and calculator
step 3: close calculator from telescope (blue X)
step 4: close file manager and x-term too in any way
step 5: start again file manager, x-term, calculator
step 6: close them (os2008 way, in the upper right corner)

When you close the last, the tablet calls telescope for some odd reason. You will be presented with the appswitcher ui with no running apps (no thumbnails, wallpaper only, without bars and such).
I know this isn't a terrible bug, but it's a disturbance to me.

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I'll throw in one, simple feature request.

Zoom in key for the N800 would execute this command:
matchbox-remote -next

Zoom out key:

matchbox-remote -prev

It's so much cleaner moving through different screens this way.

Cheers.

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Just tired this - did nothing the first time, but worked the second time

Hey, with an awesome wallpaper, this goes from being a 'bug' to being a 'feature' ;)

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Hm. Okay. Mitrandir is moving now and he has finish moving to the end of the week. Then he will able to start fixing the "bug".
Thanks.

Addison, zoom keys switch apps always or just when you are in "Telescope mode"?

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Hey Kroll. :)

I would have to say zoom in and out keys whenever you're not in Telescope mode.

I can make a super simple script later today so you can see how it would work and what a great feature it would be.


Edit:
Forgot to mention that this has messed up my Pidgin menus.

Some of the options I need to get to are off the screen now and I can't get to them even after uninstalling Telescope.

It's like Pidgin no longer understands that the screen is still only 480 pixels.

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Okay, so here's what I mentioned earlier about quickly changing tasks.

Attachment 9547

Inside is a Notes file called Task Switcher. Just Select all, copy, then paste that in Xterm.

To start it, in xterm:
xbindkeys

To stop it, in xterm:
killall xbindkeys

So yeah, go ahead and give it a try and anyone else for that matter.

It's perfectly safe and I think you'll really appreciate this feature request. :)

Cheers.

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Are you sure it was a Telescope? Anyway, we will investigate it!
BTW, I can move the dialog windows. I don't know how I turned on this feature, but look at the attachment.

Yep, I will try it today, thanks.
But a lot of apps request this keys to zoom (text, pictures), scroll (fbreader) etc. What about this applications?

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Okay, I give up Kroll!

What on earth does your é¿ñÑ«0013.3gp do? :p


EDIT:
Nevmind, just found out that it's a video file.

I tried watching it but couldn't see a thing on what you were actually doing there. Sorry.

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haha, I think u have problems with Cyrillic :D Never mind :)
BTW, If you are still waiting my theme - you should check out my youtube channel.

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Yeah, I've been meaning to subscribe to your channel. You'll be the first one I've ever subscribed to by the way. :)

I'll get to that tonight. Thanks!

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Omg, the "Diablo5" is looking amazing - when can we realistically expect to have it packed up for "us who waits so paitently"? :)

Link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySUOv...QY&feature=sub

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Sorry that i didn't answer so long - i had a very busy weekend.

Sorry for such long post, but i have missed many interesting topics here :)
In the order:

1. Power usage. I believe that Telescope should not affect power consumption. Telescope is purely event-driven, it doesn't use any timers and has not any other regular activity. Thanks to XDamage extension, it does not any regular polls to acquire up-to-date window contents - X.Org server sends it to Telescope automatically.
Of course, if you will keep you tablet for long time with, for example, animated GIF in browser window, Telescope will receive XDamage events on every frame change, and it will do a minimal action on every event (but it will not do any drawings unless Telescope window is shown). But i'm sure that this minimal activity is nothing compared to browser's activity to show that animation.
So, i believe that if you will keep your tablet at night without any application running, or with application that will not do any regular drawing, Telescope will not affect you battery consumption at all.
But of course, if you insist that telescope does affects it, i will do tracing and profiling to check this, because power usage is most important concern for any mobile application.

2. Theming. Yes, as Kroll pointed, window decorations in Telescope can be easily themed by altering images at /usr/share/telescope/. You are free to even change dimensions of these images. But them, of course, must have same height.
But actually, i now thinking about dropping these images and implementing drawing of decorations purely by software, using gradients. This will give user ability to easily change colors of decorations without need to rerender and replace images. But it needs to be investigated how it will affect speed of drawing.

3. Accident appearing of Telescope after closing a window. Yes, i confirm this as a bug. The fix is ready and will be included in pending release.

4. Some ugly bars over the wallpaper in Telescope window. I tried hard to reproduce the bug (honestly!), but i haven't seen any bars. (Doesn't you call window previews and decorations as "bars"? :) As english is neither mine, nor Kroll's native language, it may take long untill we'll catch the joke). Accident appearing of telescope itself is fixed, as in #3.

5. More actions on hardware keys. I'm working on this. I hope with next release you will be able to assign any action on any hardware button (including shell commands). Addison: but if you want globally reassign +/- keys, how will you change the volume and zoom?

6. Pidgin menus change it's sizes. Very interesting, will post the bug and investigate it. As i remember, Pidgin's menus are n
ever matched my tablet's size :)

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Now that was an exhaustive answer. I've got no other questions.

Thanks, this was an annoying thing to me.

It was a joke, sorry for that. :) And спасибо.

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Would you try out that simple script I posted just to get a feel for it?

Once you do, perhaps you could think of a better way to have such a feature.

But yes, I agree, having it as a global setting isn't too hot of a concept. :)

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I could imagine key combos, like holding the swap key and pressing "+" or "-" on my n800...

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Alister, no probs. Actually, humor is most hard, but most enjoyable part of the language :)
Do you think that combo press will be convient?..

Addison, i have tried your script -- yes, it's quite cool to switch windows with zoom keys. But these keys are also useful with their native meaning... Unfortunately, N8x0 have too few hardware buttons :(
Of course, we can map +/- keys to matchbox next/last actions while telescope is active. But pressing F5->plus and F5->minus is not so cool...

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Yeah, I'm still agreeing with you there chief! :)

Most creative thing I can think of would be a mix of Alister's suggestion. Perhaps holding down a key while pressing on the screen.

Who ever does both of those at the same time?

Maybe perhaps?

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It was a thought. To me, the most convenient method is not to use the keys at all...

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I think I've got it! :D

When you launch Telescope, have your application also launch two small applets with transparent images on the left and right side of the screen.

When pressing on one of them, they will flip to the next or previous window, even while being in full screen mode.

Witness? *lol*


EDIT:
Forgot to mention what an unhappy, hairy beast that might take to program. :)

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Addison, what are you think about my task switcher near "close" button?
'cause all your suggestions seem too difficult for use.

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Actually, I think your task switcher is brilliant! :D

The only thing is that barely anything carries over from your program while being in full screen mode which is how I run all of my apps.

That's all. :)

But yeah, I'm only giving out suggestions to help you to keep thinking outside the box like you're doing. Please don't take any of them as personal criticisms.

Cheers!

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I have to say that I can't live without Telescope any more, it's a must-have combined with that great ThinkLinux widescreen theme :D

My bug observations:
Sometimes when using the onscreen keyboard in microB, parts of the keyboard disappear when the previously visited Url suggestions pop up while typing in the address bar. Then I have to tap inside the window first then tap the address bar and try again.
Also sometimes parts of the icons in the status bar aren't drawn and I have to switch to Telescope and back to the application to see them again.

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Quick feature request: any chance we could get portrait mode support?

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Thanks!

Hmm... Such bugs with drawing of other windows may be because telescope enables composition in window manager. I will try to reproduce this, but i'm afrad that i can't affect on this... Anyway, i will take a look

Sure, portrait support is planned and it is near-to-be-working in svn version. The only issue is how telescope should handle background in portrait mode? Hildon-Desktop itself doesn't compensate wallpaper rotation, so it becames stripped. Should telescope imitate this wrong behavior?

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I didn't associate this in my mind with Telescope before your post, but I can confirm that I've got similar issues.

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I have reproduced bug with disappearing of parts of onscreen keyboard. It is really seems like this is due to some bugs in how tablet's X.Org works with enabled Composite... When composite mode is enabled, some graphic operations are performed in a different way, because X Server maintains backing store pixmaps for every window and tries to reduce number of redraws. For now, i have no idea of how it could be fixed or workarounded :( May be some ideas will come later

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I believe you gonna love this^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySUOvfAvLYM

BTW, Ilya, what about second wallpaper for portrait mode?