Why does maemo.org have this forum?
 

Just contemplating the level of posts lately I am wondering what the intended purpose of this Forum is?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50842
That's a good point But no excuse for the inadequacies on the n900 I did the research! and the basic missing features are listed in the following posts:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47126
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47130
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47134

That said Nokia can only succeed with the n900 (or similar) when it converts dissatisfaction into innovation and ultimately satisfaction then the n900 trend will spread. The sentiment that the n900 is good and if you don't like it sell ( or you shouldn't have got it) or worse get an iPhone or Android phone is not helping improve the n900.

so to you lot who advocate getting out of the kitchen if you don't like the heat, wake up the n900 is far from perfect and if it was a little more functional I would be promoting it.

Re: Why does meamo have this Forum?
 

ok. you are right. we are bad. but stop making new threads, just keep it in one thread u already did

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sorry, move it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50842

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The sad fact is that Maemo 5 will never be truly complete. I agree that's kind of funny to say that you should have searched and all, but that's pretty much it.
N900 was never promoted like N97 and it was downplayed by Nokia from the announcement as 4th step in 5th step plan and meant for small market. Internet made it bigger than it was meant to be and that's why there was 3 weeks wait time to get it from the Korean factory that was never meant to produce high end phones in a same rate as Nokia's Finland and China factory where all the previous high end phones have been made.

This community is great imo. Symbian never had something like this while at best in N95 time there was pretty much nothing else than Symbian smartphones. Harmattan is still Maemo even if mostly in marketing reasons it got MeeGo slapped over it and i'm waiting great things from this community.

Great examples of this community was when me and couple of others asked application to make the yellow notification thingie to show when you play new song it's name and album. It was done in 4-5 days. That would have never happened without this community.

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gud to hear dat nokia made a lil gud fone :D

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It existed before the influx of people expecting an iPhone, centralized around those using Nokia's internet tablets. It's gotten severely noisy since December (and worse in the past couple months) as unhappy people feel that this is the place with people upon whom they can take out their frustrations.

As a result, the noise level has fallen as those who see fit to lash out (as opposed to offer constructive criticism) generate posts with 100+ replies, full of ad-hominem attacks and insisting those who aren't wholly disappointed with the N900 are either fanboys or somehow delusional.

Re: Why does meamo have this Forum?
 

i think of going bek into 90s fones

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Indeed, no excuse, although I also think you'd be mad to buy an electronic device without having researched it first. The very fact you highlighted threads pointing these things out shows the information was already there. In some wys, people get a better quality of researchable material on here than for most devices.

You can't fault this community, there's really nothing like it out there. Great things will hopefully come from here with Meego.

I'm amazed at how many users are on here though and that Maemo even host something this large at all!

This was just an on-topic ramble by the way. It wasn't aimed at the OP.

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Regardless of the tag :D One thing which this forum brings, much like the various linux forums, is community participation. I know that at any given stage, if I need assistance with regards to my '900 or the OS/programs, etc that there is someone in the forums who is willing to and able to help. This kind of support surpasses, imo, that offered by all the various official sites. That is why these forums are so important and necessary.

Re: Why does meamo have this Forum?
 

no phone is built to please everyone. the n900 has its market. if they'd change it, maybe this target group would be disappointed. you have to buy what you want - not expect other peoples' phones.

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A very, very condensed story of this forum:

The forum was originally called Internet Tablet Talk (the old address www.internettablettalk.com still works), and it was a place for Nokia Internet Tablets fans to meet and discuss. As people may know, the NIT started with the 770, then the N800, N810, N810 WiMax Edition; then finally the N900.

Some time before the launch of the N900, Nokia approached the owner of the forum, and an integration of the forum to the official Maemo webpage (www.maemo.org) was coordinated.

Which take us to today, where the forum is part of the Maemo site.

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This forum existsed long before the N900 was even a glint in the N770's eye. It is a place for like minded people who like to test and develop their devices be it the N770/N800/N810 or the N900.

It is a COMMUNITY forum and no one is paid here. Some new members come on here demanding to know why this and that is not included and why this and that is not working, in general most posts are answered by a helpfull member but most of the time the original posters question/query/rant have been answered on so many previous occasions that it does get frustrating especially when it is plain to see that the OP has not even bothered to do any reasearch/searches themselves. They then get all wound up saying how crapping the SERVICE is around here.
Just to reiterate this is a COMMUNITY driven and populated forum not Nokia Customer Care.
If you have a genuine greavance with any of their products there are many avenues to explore just try searching.
If you have a problem with some software developed by a member here or indeed if you have really searched and could not find an answer there are more than enough willing brilliant members on here only to happy to help out.

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I totally agree it cant be everything to everyone and a hapy balance should be found. I love the versatility and the amassing things this community has helped me do with my n900, and the n900 does lots better than other portable devises.

But my n900 is missing features the most basic phone made by Nokia has (like syncing task descriptions with you PC) the PIM function is so inadequate for reasons pointed out at the top of this thread, that i am considering using an old phone and just retiring my n900 to a web pad.

That said if the 2 bugs in my signature were resolved I'd keep using my n900.

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Nothing worse than bugs in closed source components :(

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This cannot be quoted enough, people treat this forum like Nokia customer care which it is not. The forum is simply the place for maemo community members to engage each other, Nokia thought it would be better for Internettablettalk to come under the stewardship of Maemo instead of trying to build a new forum for maemo.org at some point last year which was definitely protested by some but in the end a lot of people have forgotten about that and moved on.

Re: Why does meamo have this Forum?
 

Maemo the organization in Nokia did not create this forum. It was created independently as Internet Tablet Talk and joined with maemo.org last year. It has never been nor will it ever be positioned as official commercial support for Nokia Maemo products.

I'd suggest searching the subject before posting the thread title, but...

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The community started off as Internet Tablet Talk by Reggie for Nokia Internet tablet enthusiasts to communicate to each other. It was primarily a crowd with alot of tech know how, or at least willingness to learn or ask for help nicely if they didn't know how to do it themselves. It's because of this community that when I was looking at an iPod Touch versus the n800 when I first joined this website that I decided on the n800. The community provided alot of support, and gave the tablet devices the ability to do what I was looking for in a mobile device. There were always a few people who were (or still are) vocal about what the tablets could do or not do, though not to the way it is now. I think even those vocal members probably find most of the newer individual's style of ranting and raving to be quite irritating and a waste of space.

It was with the beginning of the N900 that it was turned from internettabletalk to maemo.org with Nokia sponsoring the site by paying for the server hosting (because they were interested in the community and its developers).

I think the community has gotten alot less tolerable now (partially due to the high influx of people who are not as patient and well annoying). Which I personally can't fault them with. There's individuals who don't want to read posts to figure out how to do things (and then complain when nobody will help them or complain about the developer or the program. Keep in mind that this is after a developer and other members of the community have likely answered, and re-answered the question several times in the thread). There's people who don't understand the difference between the different platforms (X platform has this, why doesn't the N900? OMG THE N900 suckz). And so many more reasons.

There also seems to be a misconception that Nokia pays attention to this
site. While Nokia does have a few individuals like Qgil who look at the site from time to time, your honestly more likely to be heard on the Forum.Nokia.com site (link to the right) than on here. It's also unlikely that Nokia even pays attention to posts, since posters tend to convey their displeasure so poorly it looks like a pointless angry rant.

That's partially why I classify new people on any forum, game, community, etc.. into two categories. N00bs, people who don't want to learn, and are just a general nuisance. I've given up on helping these people.

And the good kind, newbies. People who are willing to learn (or may not understand the way the community works, but are willing to at least try to integrate into the community). It's these people that I think a forum like maemo.org needs.

And on a side note, one thing that's been bothering me is posts like "implement this feature or get the application to this point and then I'll donate". Besides money being a terrible motivator when an individual is doing things out of their own personal desire (see tons of psychology research). Why is it "and then I'll donate". Why not donate because you appreciate the developers' existing work? Why not donate because the developer makes an effort to communicate with the community?

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only an idiot would buy a £500 phone without doing a little bit of research on it first, were all beta testers here and its why we bought the device, the community will further progress the future os's/devices, maemo, meego, n910, n920, what ever it may be ill pre-order the latest device as soon as im allowed, because im helping to create it!

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I don't think this is fair, because nowadays consumer culture is pretty mainstreamed, so it is reasonable (however silly that may seem) for some not too technological person, to assume all sorts of things.

The N900 is not mainstream.

Obviously marketing people (of nokia or resellers) wouldn't put up big red labels saying "Warning!You probably do not wish to buy this phone!", even though that would have been helpful for a lot of ... noobs.

So, the problem is with the underlying system. The world doesn't operate on truth. The world operates on convincing people to buy things.

That said. The N900 is the right phone for me. I like the GNU/Linux Freedom thing more than any proprietary feature or shinyness.

Re: Why does meamo have this Forum?
 

well in MY case, because of the n900 and this forum, i am now learning the very basic of Linux (or whatever OS is maemo SW is based), and will continue to learn.

it took me 2 months of research before i bought this device (i even have my n97 at that time).

the n900 is a different and new experience for me,

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hey even if you do the homework! Before buying my n900 I red everything that had been published online, and still no reviews or any pre-users commented on the PIM other than it didn't sport categories.

if you visit Nokias marketing site it lists full PIM function http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ (and i think it is reasonable to presume it will be at least on par with a S40 phone.)

visit http://maemo.nokia.com/features/calendar/ and they tell you it syncs and it supports tasks (but it docent support tasks, every pda or phone made to date that sports tasks, sports the name and the description, it just the n900 that only supports task names.)

but had anyone made a note about the limited PIM I would have held off until palm made a GSM phone with an auto focus camera, or Nokia added, PIM search and Task descriptions.

Re: Why does meamo have this Forum?
 

With all do respect, I'll have to say this:

Not everybody likes iphones and android phones. Surprisingly, I know! The day nokia phones are just like those is the day I won't buy nokia phones any more.

Everybody seems to know what the biggest phone manufacturer, with symbian still the biggest player in the smartphone os field has to do to *catch up* the competition.

Re: Why does meamo have this Forum?
 

This forum was the only reason most of us got the n900. Nokia better start reading this forum and address our grievances . I have nothing against the community. But i think Nokia should start giving some attention to consumer rants here. I love my n900 but things like no USSD codes kind of makes me cringe thinking they mass released a phone without such an important feature( Step 4 of 5 was always clear to me, but that in no ways justifies leaving out USSD).

Re: Why does meamo have this Forum?
 

why don't you and other people take there grievances to Nokia support forum and give feedback instead of complaining on a community forum and expecting nokia to read every single post

Re: Why does meamo.org have this forum?
 

I've been here since I found this place when I had some problems with my Nokia 770. The ol' ITT (internettablettalk.com) days. I resisted the N800, which I could have bought cheaply when CompUSA went out of business... but because of here, I knew about the N810. I bought the N810, with a discount... because of this site. And have remained here because each problem I've had, the answer resided here. Even Google would point me back here.

When it came down to the N900, once the screen-size came out, I stuck around hoping that the N910/N920 would be released. Never happened. So now... I'm waiting to see what MeeGo brings to the table. Tablet? I hope so. Another phone? I hope not.

But... the misspell in the title bothers me... it's spelled "Maemo", not Meamo.

Continue on.

Re: Why does meamo.org have this forum?
 

Fixed.

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I totally agree. Could it be just a little bit wider?

Re: Why does maemo.org have this forum?
 

I understand that the members of this community are a helpful lot and cannot resist responding to people who they think have genuine grievances with their maemo devices.

But THESE are NOT genuine grievances. Kindly abstain from encouraging irresponsibe threads/posts.

You are feeding the trolls, and there are no two ways about it.

Re: Why does meamo have this Forum?
 

just one tip to make your life better in the future:

do not presume.