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mrebanza 2010-05-06 22:22

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 646830)
So then, how do you explain all those Apple II's and Macintoshes in schools all in the late 80's and throughout the 90's? Also, please explain "dominant?" Isn't Linux being used at least as much as Windows, even if people aren't realizing it? (Think everything from embedded OS all the way up to servers)

Please response in a 500 word essay form. Thank you.

LOL @ 500 word essay form . . . I know though virtually the entire internet is being run on Linux . . . and what is the whole . . . . people need to "LEARN WINDOWS" . . . what is their to really learn???

They act as if a Linux Based Window Manger / OS's are written in Chinese . . . I am pretty sure if someone is able to use a Mac or a Linux Box they should have no problem using a WinPC . . .
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ot_loading.jpg
In the 80's and 90's Mac Computers DID DOMINATE the education field . . . their was a Mac in every class room . . . In 1990's when Bill Clinton and Al Gore when on their crusade to put PC's in the hands of American Students (and invent the internet) it was iMacs that we received . . . Two in every class room along with a computer lab full of them . . . Windows is far from the end all and be all of computing . . . but they managed to lock the game down in the same style that Google is taking the Android Platform . . . Selling a TON of software licences for dirt cheap to hardware manufactures until "their is a Windows PC in every home in America" . . . Macs have always been alot more expensive because they build the hardware and software in house (or they used to) and then dont wholesale the software licence to anyone else so the over all cost of development is higher I suppose . . .


Back to the point . . . Linux is everywhere you just dont see it . . . You use linux every day you just dont know it . . . Google is Linux . . . Facebook is Linux . . . Twitter is Linux . . . This Forum is Built on Linux . . . I learned on this forum that even the TiVo is running a Linux Kernel . . .

mrebanza 2010-05-06 22:26

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 
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Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 647208)
Using an AV all the time is like taking antibiotics every day...

very well said . . .

mrebanza 2010-05-06 22:29

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 
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Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 647217)
I agree that it is important for every kid to be given the opportunity to interact with computers, at home or in school. Still, if they need TEACHING (rather than learning/discovering by themselves), I guess that they will only use a computer in their future job to add the price for the fries and the burger...

. . . if you need a manual to open up MS Office and Compose and Save a document then you are in need of some help

roundyz 2010-05-06 22:32

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 
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Originally Posted by mrebanza (Post 647219)
LOL @ 500 word essay form . . . I know though virtually the entire internet is being run on Linux . . . and what is the whole . . . . people need to "LEARN WINDOWS" . . . what is their to really learn???

They act as if a Linux Based Window Manger / OS's are written in Chinese . . . I am pretty sure if someone is able to use a Mac or a Linux Box they should have no problem using a WinPC . . .
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ot_loading.jpg
In the 80's and 90's Mac Computers DID DOMINATE the education field . . . their was a Mac in every class room . . . In 1990's when Bill Clinton and Al Gore when on their crusade to put PC's in the hands of American Students (and invent the internet) it was iMacs that we received . . . Two in every class room along with a computer lab full of them . . . Windows is far from the end all and be all of computing . . . but they managed to lock the game down in the same style that Google is taking the Android Platform . . . Selling a TON of software licences for dirt cheap to hardware manufactures until "their is a Windows PC in every home in America" . . . Macs have always been alot more expensive because they build the hardware and software in house (or they used to) and then dont wholesale the software licence to anyone else so the over all cost of development is higher I suppose . . .


Back to the point . . . Linux is everywhere you just dont see it . . . You use linux every day you just dont know it . . . Google is Linux . . . Facebook is Linux . . . Twitter is Linux . . . This Forum is Built on Linux . . . I learned on this forum that even the TiVo is running a Linux Kernel . . .

hmmm, you mean served on a linux host or a hosts? Perhaps. but the thought of many many more windows machines visiting theses hosts suggests a small ratio of linux to other..

geneven 2010-05-06 22:45

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 
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Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 647208)
Are we still talking COMPUTER viruses here? :eek:

I never use a constantly-on AV, but periodically scan my computer, and usually find nothing (or, rarely, very low threat level nuisances). I believe that the ONLY way to protect your data is by regular backups, and anything else is FUD.

Using an AV all the time is like taking antibiotics every day...

That's very interesting, but I'm a bit puzzled. Since the problem with taking antibiotics every day is that immunity to the antibiotics is acquired as stronger responses to the antibiotics evolve, can you explain how computer viruses are similar?

Can you summarize what additional harm antivirus programs do if they are always present?

I haven't experienced any problems with the antivirus programs that I've been running for twenty years or so; the harm they do must be extraordinarily subtle.

Sopwith 2010-05-06 22:58

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 
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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 647253)
That's very interesting, but I'm a bit puzzled. Since the problem with taking antibiotics every day is that immunity to the antibiotics is acquired as stronger responses to the antibiotics evolve, can you explain how computer viruses are similar?

Can you summarize what additional harm antivirus programs do if they are always present?

I haven't experienced any problems with the antivirus programs that I've been running for twenty years or so; the harm they do must be extraordinarily subtle.

All right, I'll pretend not to notice the sarcasm :cool:

Antivirus programs waste resources, often a lot more than other software. Here's a short improvised list:

1. Take up RAM
2. Slow down start-up
3. Interfere with I/O operations
4. "Phone home" to download updates
5. Crash legitimate software due to false alarms

I am sure there's more, but this is enough for me. If you're into conspiracy theories, you could also think about who profits most from creating viruses, and draw some conclusions...

Antibiotics disturb the natural microflora of the organism and free up resources for the resistant pathogenes that will inevitably emerge. Similarly, AV give a false sense of security and prevent awareness, thus rendering the user helpless in situations when they fail. I agree this is not a perfect simile, but I still like it since it helps to present a radically different point of view.

Larswad 2010-05-06 23:02

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 
windows? yeah, I heard about that old quirky and bloated stuff in history class. Some persistent nostalgic people even used those operating systems as long as into the year 2020. Wasn't it some Gill Bates woman or something that invented that costly stuff way back? well she's dead now and her software too. Feels real good that all computers these days only use open source and free software. But then again, who would want a brain implant with buggy os kernel when the license has expired or when some nasty virus hits you from the net and shuts down your brain...not me anyway. no sir. oh, here it is! the teleporter is ready and available again. Ah, nice to get home from work now. byebye y'all.
zzzaapp!

mrebanza 2010-05-06 23:06

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 
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Originally Posted by roundyz (Post 647234)
hmmm, you mean served on a linux host or a hosts? Perhaps. but the thought of many many more windows machines visiting theses hosts suggests a small ratio of linux to other..

You missed the point entirely . . . the internet runs on linux . . . not Mac OSX and Not Windows 7 . . . Linux . . . Regardless if you access Google from you Windows PC - Your Mac Book Pro Laptop - Your Iphone or iPad or Black Berry or Android Device or your N900 you would be able to use most of the web with out linux . . . just reading this message makes you a linux user whether you like it or not . . . If you use the web you are a linux user . . . Linux is the technology that powers the web and without it the internet would be pretty lame . . . Also may I point of that the trend is moving toward mobile web consumption . . . annalists predict that the mobile phone / device will surpass the desktop as a means of computer / web use by 2015 and who is dominating in these fields?

Android (Linux) and iPhone (Mac OSX) - And why are they dominating? Because they are faster, work better and more Efficiently than windows mobile and when you need battery life and as many resources as possible than these thing become increasingly more important than a winmo symbol
http://gigaom.files.wordpress.com/20...ile-chart2.png


http://gigaom.com/2010/04/12/mary-me...ixed-internet/

mrebanza 2010-05-06 23:13

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 
Linux also makes your internet speed faster . . . I have done tests in both Win7 and Ubuntu and Linux is on top EVERY TIME!!!!

Usually by close to DOUBLE!!!


While Windows 7 will only give me about 7 to 8 Mbps - Linux gives me anywhere from 12.5 to 15 Mbps!!!!


Dont believe me try it out for yourself!!!!

roundyz 2010-05-06 23:29

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 
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Originally Posted by mrebanza (Post 647272)
You missed the point entirely . . . the internet runs on linux . . . not Mac OSX and Not Windows 7 . . . Linux . . . Regardless if you access Google from you Windows PC - Your Mac Book Pro Laptop - Your Iphone or iPad or Black Berry or Android Device or your N900 you would be able to use most of the web with out linux . . . just reading this message makes you a linux user whether you like it or not . . . If you use the web you are a linux user . . . Linux is the technology that powers the web and without it the internet would be pretty lame . . . Also may I point of that the trend is moving toward mobile web consumption . . . annalists predict that the mobile phone / device will surpass the desktop as a means of computer / web use by 2015 and who is dominating in these fields?

Android (Linux) and iPhone (Mac OSX) - And why are they dominating? Because they are faster, work better and more Efficiently than windows mobile and when you need battery life and as many resources as possible than these thing become increasingly more important than a winmo symbol
http://gigaom.files.wordpress.com/20...ile-chart2.png


http://gigaom.com/2010/04/12/mary-me...ixed-internet/

No. Linux is the kernel at the heart of the operating system. The web runs on the hypertext transfer protocol over mostly transmission control protocol/internet protocol.

Tell bsd server admins how lame the web content is they are serving without linux.

Analyst predictions in this case should be taken lightly, simply because there are tasks that are not possible through a mobile device that are with a computer, that are quite frequently done.


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