Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

Let's stay on topic and leave political remarks out of it.

Thanks.

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

Everything except your question about drivers can be answered positively. Drivers will depend on whether the manufacturer uses a standard protocol to support their device (ie: USB HID for mice and keyboards, USB audio, etc), has provided support to the Linux kernel or whether the community has figured out how to use it on their own. No guarantees there.. but it might be reassuring to know that lately, out of the box, Linux does support a LOT more hardware than Windows.

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is there a way to check if my hardware is compatible with Linux, almost like a list i can pick and choose from?

i should just google it really :)

ubuntu half downloaded, cd ready for burning of iso image! :D


feckle it, im just guna install it!! muhahahaha i laugh in the face of danger!!!

ok, im prob going to spend all evening mucking about with my pc rather than spend "quality time" with my girlfriend! but heyho! just wait till my new tv and laptop come at the end of the month! :D

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Generally speaking, I've had a lot better luck with hardware just working on Linux. Here's a partial list of what works for me on Linux out of the box and not on windows: All HP printers I've ever tried (worse in that windows would jam one of the printers after installing their massive driver), my sound card (an annoying hour to install on windows), scanner (never did work on Vista or 7), sata controller (was able to use driver cd for windows). Of course proprietary drivers on Ubuntu are nicely collected by the hardware drivers GUI, so you don't have to hunt down drivers on a website.

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

Mrebanza, this was an impressive story.

Do you know what the ending was?

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Hm, I couldn't wait and decided to get Wubi right away...it's been 'stuck' on about 60% complete at the stage "modify_bootini" for a good 20-30 mins now. Hmm....

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brought to my attention my post was deleted due to "political" incitement. also notified it was posted twice...however i only posted it once.


i guess the truth just has to stand out some times.

maybe this post will be deleted as well.

maybe ill be call some right-winged nut that collects branches?

would that be politcal? or mentioning of a bird? uh oh...that may be political too! yikes. i better be carefull. it would be almost as bad a distributing FREE copies of a Linux OS in a government run school.

:eek:

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Your crazy is showing. And this the -third- time you've made a post along these lines. It is at best offtopic, and at worst needlessly inflammatory.

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I respect the ideas of the teacher in the first post. Maybe she exagerated, but maybe it's dangerous to let chidren know that there are things which are free. I am not a psychologist, but maybe it's true that they have to learn the value of maney when they are young and that life is hard and not easy.
Maybe the new generations don't know the meaning of words like work, effort, earn the money. They cannot expect that everithing is free. They cannot expect their parents to buy them iphone or n900! I bought it with the money I got working. Behind my n900 there are efforts!
That's why, even if I don't agree with the teacher about linux itself, I understand her educative project.

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I have also always been a Windows user and only tried Linux recently, just before I got my N900 (I now have a dual boot with XP and Ubuntu). I appreciate the benefits of Linux but I still think that on balance Windows is an easier environment, maybe I'm just more used to it.

I had problems with drivers for dual screens, yes there was a work-around but it took me a while to get it figured out. I also found that trying to start programming on Linux was way more complicated than on Windows, compiling still seems to involve lots of X terminal use. Even after downloading supposedly full IDE programs I still ended up doing lots of googling and having to go through the terminal to get all of the dependencies in place and configured correctly. To be honest I don't expect to have to use terminal at all, that just reminds me of dos boxes in win98...

Still now with the development for the N900 its all scratchbox and command line compiling with switches to set and lots of stuff to remember. Yes I could take the time to learn it all but I'd rather have a nice gui based ide with a button to click to compile the project. Qt on Windows is a much nicer option in my opinion. Maybe I have missed something that makes it just as easy on Linux.

Although I have a dual boot I still find myself using Windows way more that Ubuntu. I'm not trying to knock Linux, like I say I can see that there are some benefits and completely agree with the whole "don't let MS rule your life" philosophy, however I still think Windows is easier.

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@Patroclo: You're so full of it... Speak of your own children, please.

My children will learn that the best things in life are free, that money doesn't matter, and that giving and being a part of a community is more important than slaving away for some corporation.

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well, the first one was intentional...not meant to be offensive...just truthfull, as i know many, many, many teachers.

dunno how the second copy of it was posted....if i did, then it must have been some glitch with my pc...but doubt it. either way, i didnt not intentionally repost the same post.

and i am not sure about this being the third.

but if that is what you mean by third time. so be it.


now...."crazy" is exactly what that teacher was doing. responding as an athoritative figure with no backing in what was being said.

i dont think that i have met one linux developer, ever, that was not cool about sharing the software like that. this includes the ones i am related to.

whatever, i hope that gets you back to topic.

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

2 things:
1) please don't offend me. I offended no one! Let me express my ideas: I am a supporter of democracy.
2) sorry I don't agree with what you said.

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rabble rabble!!

i am now running Ubuntu :D updating system as we speak... then im off to explore!

anyone know how to stop it asking me for a password all the time?

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

uh ohhh. my fortuneteller says that moderation is in the works for political viewpoints....and to keep it on track.

bad thrwead. bad thread. should close it down.

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You mean when installing software?

It keeps your authentication cached (I think the default is 15 minutes) - if you continuously do administrative tasks in that 15 minutes it won't ask anymore.

If, however, your installing something and it takes more than 15 minutes it'll ask again. That's a security feature.

There is a way to stop it altogether... but I strongly suggest against it.

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yea was installing nvida drivers. and it asked me a couple of times when i was digging around. ive left it now to watch a bit of tv.... so ill probably play around a bit more 2mra! cheers boss!!

i suppose i can use the ubuntu documentation for all my future queries! thanks

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

Well, you could check the Ubuntu hardware compatibility list... but better still, you could just download and burn a CD image of Ubuntu and just boot it straight off the CD without installing it, just to see if it'll work fine with your devices.

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its all done and dusted!! thankyou though!!

everything went ok :D

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IMO . . . people who get virus's on windows computers are simply not computer literate . . . . who can't tell the difference between a malware site and windows it self . . . . who dont understand that a .EXE is a program file (that could potentially contain a virus) and not a myspace layout or a music file . . . .

I have never used an anti virus with windows in my life and I can never had a virus . . . The first thing I used to do on a new WinPC was uninstall the free trail virus protection BS (they really slow down the sh*t out of an already bloated WinPC) . . . honestly they dont protect you against sh*t . . . they simply protect you from the malware that they know about . . . . but scumbags write new viruses for Windows Everyday . . . their is a reason that windows vista and up "DIM THE LIGHTS" to ask you if you REALLY want to run every new program that you open from unknown sources . . . it is because programs can hurt your PC . . . they can spy on you . . . . they can delete and edit system files . . . they can do what ever the program coded them to do . . . .

They same is true in Linux and Mac but their are to big differences . . . . first is market share . . . . most people use Windows so most viruses are written for Windows . . . Second is password protection . . . If the person using your Linux / Mac Box doesn't know the password it is pretty damn hard to do any real damage . . . you can install or run new programs with out the password not can you change system settings. . .. . on a Mac you can't even install iTunes without the password . . . makes sense . . . so you can freely allow, with a clear mind, your friends, co-workers, students and family to use your computer without the worry that they are going to accidental screw something up !

But that is they thing the though . . . since windows is a different language than Mac/Linux so they virus's simply wont work on these operating systems . . . feel free to download and open up all the viral infected EXE's that you want on Linux . . . the wont do anything!

Windows 7 is "fast" I guess as compared to Win Vista but as compared to Ubuntu or linux in general it simply doesn't compare . . . you have to understand that nearly the entire internet is running linux . . . from facebook to twitter - Google and even this forum . . . all their severs are running linux and it is for a good reason . . . Linux is built for efficiency, flexibility, stability and compatibility . . . .
I would hate to image Google having to run on a Windows Sever . . . It would be extremely slow and most likely take an extremely long time to return a search query to the end user . . . .

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Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

Years past Mac and Windows worked almost nothing alike. And CDE was also very cludgey. (people still swear by it though..)

Mac still is a bit out in left field... but Windows and KDE/Gnome (two most common Linux DE's) are pretty much interchangeable on how they look/feel/work.

But, very basic example, teaching kids to "look for an applications menu" is a better idea than teaching kids to "click start".

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Agreed. Especially your comment about clicking 'Start'. A lot of good it'll do, now, to look for 'Start' in these newest versions of Windows.

Get back to computer science and stop pretending that Windows is what a computer looks like.

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This is true. I had forgotten that start was replaced by the blue windows logo ball now ;). Still on XP at the work environment and the home environment well.. hah. Windows. Right.

... I really hope this wasn't directed at me....

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

I think I directed it at anyone that thinks Windows is what computers look like. But then, that was from me half an hour ago. I was so much younger and wilder then.

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

I think that a person without an antivirus program wouldn't necessarily know if they had ever had a virus. But they would be dangerous to their friends.

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What the hell is a woman working in a school and not cooking the dinners? (sorry not 4chan...)

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Are we still talking COMPUTER viruses here? :eek:

I never use a constantly-on AV, but periodically scan my computer, and usually find nothing (or, rarely, very low threat level nuisances). I believe that the ONLY way to protect your data is by regular backups, and anything else is FUD.

Using an AV all the time is like taking antibiotics every day...

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for those people earlier in this thread wanting a manual for ubuntu... i came across this one a few days ago:

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/u...-released.html

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I agree that it is important for every kid to be given the opportunity to interact with computers, at home or in school. Still, if they need TEACHING (rather than learning/discovering by themselves), I guess that they will only use a computer in their future job to add the price for the fries and the burger...

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LOL @ 500 word essay form . . . I know though virtually the entire internet is being run on Linux . . . and what is the whole . . . . people need to "LEARN WINDOWS" . . . what is their to really learn???

They act as if a Linux Based Window Manger / OS's are written in Chinese . . . I am pretty sure if someone is able to use a Mac or a Linux Box they should have no problem using a WinPC . . .
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ot_loading.jpg
In the 80's and 90's Mac Computers DID DOMINATE the education field . . . their was a Mac in every class room . . . In 1990's when Bill Clinton and Al Gore when on their crusade to put PC's in the hands of American Students (and invent the internet) it was iMacs that we received . . . Two in every class room along with a computer lab full of them . . . Windows is far from the end all and be all of computing . . . but they managed to lock the game down in the same style that Google is taking the Android Platform . . . Selling a TON of software licences for dirt cheap to hardware manufactures until "their is a Windows PC in every home in America" . . . Macs have always been alot more expensive because they build the hardware and software in house (or they used to) and then dont wholesale the software licence to anyone else so the over all cost of development is higher I suppose . . .


Back to the point . . . Linux is everywhere you just dont see it . . . You use linux every day you just dont know it . . . Google is Linux . . . Facebook is Linux . . . Twitter is Linux . . . This Forum is Built on Linux . . . I learned on this forum that even the TiVo is running a Linux Kernel . . .

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very well said . . .

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

. . . if you need a manual to open up MS Office and Compose and Save a document then you are in need of some help

Re: Teacher tells students Linux is “illegal” and confiscates their copies
 

hmmm, you mean served on a linux host or a hosts? Perhaps. but the thought of many many more windows machines visiting theses hosts suggests a small ratio of linux to other..

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That's very interesting, but I'm a bit puzzled. Since the problem with taking antibiotics every day is that immunity to the antibiotics is acquired as stronger responses to the antibiotics evolve, can you explain how computer viruses are similar?

Can you summarize what additional harm antivirus programs do if they are always present?

I haven't experienced any problems with the antivirus programs that I've been running for twenty years or so; the harm they do must be extraordinarily subtle.

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All right, I'll pretend not to notice the sarcasm :cool:

Antivirus programs waste resources, often a lot more than other software. Here's a short improvised list:

1. Take up RAM
2. Slow down start-up
3. Interfere with I/O operations
4. "Phone home" to download updates
5. Crash legitimate software due to false alarms

I am sure there's more, but this is enough for me. If you're into conspiracy theories, you could also think about who profits most from creating viruses, and draw some conclusions...

Antibiotics disturb the natural microflora of the organism and free up resources for the resistant pathogenes that will inevitably emerge. Similarly, AV give a false sense of security and prevent awareness, thus rendering the user helpless in situations when they fail. I agree this is not a perfect simile, but I still like it since it helps to present a radically different point of view.

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windows? yeah, I heard about that old quirky and bloated stuff in history class. Some persistent nostalgic people even used those operating systems as long as into the year 2020. Wasn't it some Gill Bates woman or something that invented that costly stuff way back? well she's dead now and her software too. Feels real good that all computers these days only use open source and free software. But then again, who would want a brain implant with buggy os kernel when the license has expired or when some nasty virus hits you from the net and shuts down your brain...not me anyway. no sir. oh, here it is! the teleporter is ready and available again. Ah, nice to get home from work now. byebye y'all.
zzzaapp!

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You missed the point entirely . . . the internet runs on linux . . . not Mac OSX and Not Windows 7 . . . Linux . . . Regardless if you access Google from you Windows PC - Your Mac Book Pro Laptop - Your Iphone or iPad or Black Berry or Android Device or your N900 you would be able to use most of the web with out linux . . . just reading this message makes you a linux user whether you like it or not . . . If you use the web you are a linux user . . . Linux is the technology that powers the web and without it the internet would be pretty lame . . . Also may I point of that the trend is moving toward mobile web consumption . . . annalists predict that the mobile phone / device will surpass the desktop as a means of computer / web use by 2015 and who is dominating in these fields?

Android (Linux) and iPhone (Mac OSX) - And why are they dominating? Because they are faster, work better and more Efficiently than windows mobile and when you need battery life and as many resources as possible than these thing become increasingly more important than a winmo symbol
http://gigaom.files.wordpress.com/20...ile-chart2.png


http://gigaom.com/2010/04/12/mary-me...ixed-internet/

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Linux also makes your internet speed faster . . . I have done tests in both Win7 and Ubuntu and Linux is on top EVERY TIME!!!!

Usually by close to DOUBLE!!!


While Windows 7 will only give me about 7 to 8 Mbps - Linux gives me anywhere from 12.5 to 15 Mbps!!!!


Dont believe me try it out for yourself!!!!

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No. Linux is the kernel at the heart of the operating system. The web runs on the hypertext transfer protocol over mostly transmission control protocol/internet protocol.

Tell bsd server admins how lame the web content is they are serving without linux.

Analyst predictions in this case should be taken lightly, simply because there are tasks that are not possible through a mobile device that are with a computer, that are quite frequently done.