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Tedri Mark 2010-05-07 15:01

Lack of apps for N900...
 
Really sucks, the iPhone has thousands, and all we have is EVERY SINGLE .swf IN THE INTERNET...

:D


Hello everyone, I'm new to the forums, but been lurking ever since becoming intrerested in the N900, finally got one last saturday, and I have been loving it. Yeah it's big and heavy for a phone, but it's tiny for what is basically a linux netbook (and more)..

Hopefully going to delve into porting stuff, I have my eye on something right now with source code available, so I'm going to use that as a project to start investigating...

buxz777 2010-05-07 15:05

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/loun...more-apps.html

ill link you to a intresting thread and discussion i took place in the other day mate

qt will help alot, please look through that thread and check the video links

a iphone app was converted to qt in two days , another devoloper coded a app in about 2 hours , rovio have ported angy birds and bounce to qt and shazam have even got on the qt bandwagon , its looking promising

the most intresting thing though hearing many devolopers singing the devolopment tools praise even though when they used it , it was still alpha software

give the n900 a chance mate its early days its only just getting released in some countrys and with the n8 supporting qt and a whole lot more devices planned iam sure will will see alot of devolopment

paitience is a virtue :-)

radiowc 2010-05-07 15:08

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
Well, just have to wait.... i guess by the time N900 got thousands of apps, your N900 is already end of life. LOL!

gerbick 2010-05-07 15:09

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
You could have searched on the title you've used... this kind of thread has been started over and over before.

How about this... what type of apps do you find lacking?

cashclientel 2010-05-07 15:34

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
@gerbick I think you've missed his point.

I actually disagree with his point. Flash files designed for PCs are not in any way an equivalent for the App Store.

Either way, this has been done to death.

Close the thread please mods!

Tedri Mark 2010-05-07 16:56

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
The replies definitely missed my point - How many people have a facebook app installed on their laptop? Or an app to check weather or football scores?

None. To me, a lot of apps seem to fill a gap left if your device cannot browse the internet and see all the content in pretty much the same way as you would on an actual computer..

ysss 2010-05-07 17:00

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
I would be happy to delete all the 'web apps' on my iPhone when the following elements are incorporated to regular browsing:

- Small screen optimized layout
- Offline optimization: good sync capability, upload queueing facilities, etc
- Touch optimized UI

Otherwise, I enjoy using the apps more than the web front end (yes, this includes iPhone's safari and N900's browser).

unclepecos 2010-05-07 17:07

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
Tedri,

I think the way the original post started off was why many responses missed your point about swf. But yes there is an abundance of them out there. Which ones are particularly useful on the N900?

Tedri Mark 2010-05-07 17:15

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
I yeah, I was definitely laying the bait for you all, I'll freely admit!

This thread was basically inspired by another thread where the OP stated he was going to swap his n900 because his friend's fone had an amaaaaaazing function where it listed nearby restaurants etc. Now, sat in front of a laptop, would you search for a program to download/buy with the same function, or would you just google it? I know which I'd choose and it is exactly this which means a 'lack of apps' isn't actually a big deal at all...

Laughing Man 2010-05-07 17:19

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tedri Mark (Post 648324)
I yeah, I was definitely laying the bait for you all, I'll freely admit!

This thread was basically inspired by another thread where the OP stated he was going to swap his n900 because his friend's fone had an amaaaaaazing function where it listed nearby restaurants etc. Now, sat in front of a laptop, would you search for a program to download/buy with the same function, or would you just google it? I know which I'd choose and it is exactly this which means a 'lack of apps' isn't actually a big deal at all...

The difference (as ysss points out though I don't agree fully with what he says) is that a laptop would have alot more screen real estate.

A laptop is also likely to be hooked into a fast connection while even with 3G some sites take time to load (especially ones that are designed for desktop/laptops). Though I personally don't think an app store (or an app for each website) is the solution, rather it's to properly design websites for mobile usage.

ysss 2010-05-07 17:21

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tedri Mark (Post 648324)
I yeah, I was definitely laying the bait for you all, I'll freely admit!

This thread was basically inspired by another thread where the OP stated he was going to swap his n900 because his friend's fone had an amaaaaaazing function where it listed nearby restaurants etc. Now, sat in front of a laptop, would you search for a program to download/buy with the same function, or would you just google it? I know which I'd choose and it is exactly this which means a 'lack of apps' isn't actually a big deal at all...

You mean that you get to your computer then you will google for the exact address\street name (and tweak/refine the results) before you print/email the results to yourself?

But the LBS-app alternative only involves taking out your mobile phone and cilcking a 'I'm here' button before it displays a list of places available around you, usually sorted by the distance. Alternatively, the direction and distance can be represented as 3D icons overlay over live video feed from your camera, if the device has digital compass.

Tedri Mark 2010-05-07 17:25

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
All true, I've so far only been tinkering online via a wi-fi connection.

As for the screen real estate issue, I think 800x480 is pretty much acceptable - my computer hooked up to an old plasma in my front room only runs 800 x 600 and I use that on a daily basis for googling, playing stuff off last.fm etc..

Tedri Mark 2010-05-07 17:27

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 648332)
You mean that you get to your computer then you will google for the exact address\street name (and tweak/refine the results) before you print/email the results to yourself?

But the LBS-app alternative only involves taking out your mobile phone and cilcking a 'I'm here' button before it displays a list of places available around you, usually sorted by the distance. Alternatively, the direction and distance can be represented as 3D icons overlay over live video feed from your camera, if the device has digital compass.

No I mean I'd pull out my fone and do exactly what I'd do on a computer: Google it.

gerbick 2010-05-07 17:27

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashclientel (Post 648201)
@gerbick I think you've missed his point

Actually, I didn't. Until Flash Player 10 arrives, I can't even test my own Flash Builder 4 stuff since it's all FP10.

So saying that you have "all of the *.swf's" is rather misleading.

Regardless... this kind of thread has been done over and over. Even I'm starting to see the patterns.

Laughing Man 2010-05-07 17:28

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
Resolution isn't the only aspect to keep in mind, you also have to consider the physical display (3.5 inches in this case).

Tedri Mark 2010-05-07 17:31

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 648343)
Resolution isn't the only aspect to keep in mind, you also have to consider the physical display (3.5 inches in this case).

Meh... pixels is pixels...

(Whether or not I'd say that if I was 60 is another matter....)

ysss 2010-05-07 17:38

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
At the end of the day you have to go back to looking at this from a practical and realistic point of view..

Sure, having a 'full' linux machine in your pocket no doubt you can do everything you do on your desktop (and maybe more) when you're off and about. Perhaps even by relaying or offloading the work to other machines that you have wireless access to. It's practically unlimited.

But doesn't it matter how you do it? If it takes 1-2 minutes to do something that other phones can finish within seconds, don't they 'win' this particular use case?

ps: "pixel is pixel" doesn't tell the whole picture, unfortunately...

Niggydip 2010-05-07 17:51

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
The ultimate app for me at this point in time is something that wld just check the exponential battery drain issue...it's so annoying! Why wld I have to use my device wiv 1/5th brightness all the time just to conserve battery?

Tedri Mark 2010-05-07 17:54

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 648359)
At the end of the day you have to go back to looking at this from a practical and realistic point of view..

Sure, having a 'full' linux machine in your pocket no doubt you can do everything you do on your desktop (and maybe more) when you're off and about. Perhaps even by relaying or offloading the work to other machines that you have wireless access to. It's practically unlimited.

But doesn't it matter how you do it? If it takes 1-2 minutes to do something that other phones can finish within seconds, don't they 'win' this particular use case?

Possibly, it's just that the thread that inspired this one seemed to be the equivalent of someone swapping a ferrari for a ford because the ford had fancy cupholders...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 648359)
ps: "pixel is pixel" doesn't tell the whole picture, unfortunately...


Please elaborate..

ysss 2010-05-07 18:21

Re: Lack of apps for N900...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tedri Mark (Post 648372)
Possibly, it's just that the thread that inspired this one seemed to be the equivalent of someone swapping a ferrari for a ford because the ford had fancy cupholders...

I agree that there are plenty of flash and marketing gimmicks that accompany of the apps' features, but there are good and justified functionalities for the LBS ones, at least.

Quote:

Please elaborate..
The true physical measurement of the displayed font matters to your eyes. There are comfort limits to which most people are used to and these are used for printing standards. It doesn't matter if your 3.5" screen has a resolution of 1920x1080, you would probably resize your font to a comfortable size anyway (for most purposes).

Apple has been very good in this regard. I'm betting that when the iPhone 4 comes out with 960x480 screen, the physical default font size will not change. They will just be rendered sharper.


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