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zehjotkah 2010-05-12 10:05
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Yes, it was leaked by a person who works for Nokia.
But that doesn't mean, that it was leaked intentionally by Nokia.
And to stop all the rumors that PR1.2 is the last update: no it is not, there will be AT LEAST one update after PR1.2

edit: now we can assume, that something is wrong with your eMMC. did you try to reflash it without the -R flag?
also you can try to put the N900 is R&D mode, then it should be possible to reflash the eMMC again.

ossipena 2010-05-12 10:07
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pantera1989 (Post 654903)
Now that we're on the subject. These are my thoughts on the leaked PR 1.2

I believe it was intentionally leaked. Nokia seem to have a hard time testing it and it is taking ages too. So why not leak it, have users install it (at their own risk (and without Nokia's knowledge)), post problems here, look at maemo.org for complaints, fix them, release official PR1.2.

I may be wrong but I really do believe that you are being used as BETA testers.
that isn't a smart move at all....

first of all, the "testers" are always same people who use overclocked kernels or other heavy modifications. (plus couple guys who don't know what they are doing and those can't help at all unless screaming in panic is helping...)

Dousan 2010-05-12 10:09
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
@F2thaK you got the Jesus phone it's back from the dead ;)

Gusse 2010-05-12 10:10
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by f2thak (Post 654907)
sneaky nokia................


when I try to re-flash EMMC, N900 just isnt detected by PC.........
ive flashed emmc once before (successfully)

And my phone officially will NOT run with the leaked PR1.2 f/w anymore, just tried it once more..
Did you followed the eMMC flashing guide?
Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900

That should do the trick and you should be able to flash eMMC again.

pantera1989 2010-05-12 10:16
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 654929)
that isn't a smart move at all....

first of all, the "testers" are always same people who use overclocked kernels or other heavy modifications. (plus couple guys who don't know what they are doing and those can't help at all unless screaming in panic is helping...)
True..but people are posting thoughts, problems wants etc. Intentionally or not intentionally, Nokia may use this info.

F2thaK 2010-05-12 10:26
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
tried flashing the emmc from instructions in wiki, as I have done once before; successfully........it just does not find it anymore.

without -R and all........

but windows is trying to install it but theres no software cd with n900

F2thaK 2010-05-12 10:32
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fixfox (Post 654871)
Good to know your phone is ok.

I'd say It's time to change the misleading thread title.. don't you think ?
changed title in original post

zehjotkah 2010-05-12 10:35
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by f2thak (Post 654952)
tried flashing the emmc from instructions in wiki, as I have done once before; successfully........it just does not find it anymore.

without -R and all........

but windows is trying to install it but theres no software cd with n900
enable R&D mode and then flash the eMMC again.
after that disable R&D mode.

http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode

F2thaK 2010-05-12 10:39
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 654960)
enable R&D mode and then flash the eMMC again.
after that disable R&D mode.

http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode

"You must use a Linux or a Mac OS X computer to enable R&D Mode,"

im a windoze user :(

kingoddball 2010-05-12 10:41
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
windows is pretty crap - maybe grab a linux live cd?

zehjotkah 2010-05-12 10:43
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
it is totally possible using the flasher 3.5 on windows.
the wiki is refering to the NSU.

F2thaK 2010-05-12 10:48
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 654971)
it is totally possible using the flasher 3.5 on windows..
and I have no idea how..

edit: tried again, got it.

edit2: see pic attached, happens when i try to flash emmc even in r&d mode

automagic68 2010-05-12 10:50
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
How does one obtain a Linux live cd? Sorry off topic. I have had the leaked firmware installed since it was leaked and my N900 is currently overclocked to 850mhz. Everything is great.

cpitchford 2010-05-12 10:56
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Having just helped out some with the same probem

flasher-3.5 -F os.bin -f
wait for it to finish
flasher-3.5 -F vemmc.bin -f -R

Don't unplug the phone between flashing the OS and emmc images..

(edit: Note that the first command doesn't have -R on the end.. important!)

AlMehdi 2010-05-12 10:56
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by automagic68 (Post 654976)
How does one obtain a Linux live cd? Sorry off topic. I have had the leaked firmware installed since it was leaked and my N900 is currently overclocked to 850mhz. Everything is great.
Go to www.ubuntu.com and download -> Burn the imagefile on a cd -> Then turn off the computer -> insert the cd -> start the computer -> viola! you are now running linux. And you didn't need to install anything. It will be a bit slower though and you wont be able to install anything. For that you need to install.

F2thaK 2010-05-12 10:57
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
when trying to flash emmc it keeps asking me to install nokia cd-rom and pc-suite mode, but i have pc suite installed which was working........

AlMehdi 2010-05-12 10:57
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpitchford (Post 654986)
Having just helped out some with the same probem

flasher-3.5 -F os.bin -f
wait for it to finish
flasher-3.5 -F vemmc.bin -f -R

Don't unplug the phone between flashing the OS and emmc images..
And put all the files in the same directory.. (i.e. C:\N900\)

slender 2010-05-12 11:01
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by f2thak (Post 654990)
when trying to flash emmc it keeps asking me to install nokia cd-rom and pc-suite mode, but i have pc suite installed which was working........
just to minimize all the variables that could fck up your setup:
- Take off other usb devices (only keyb,mouse)
- Do not connect to usb-hub (only directly to your pc)
- Close all the nokia software on your windows
- Charge N900 full

AlMehdi 2010-05-12 11:07
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by f2thak (Post 654990)
when trying to flash emmc it keeps asking me to install nokia cd-rom and pc-suite mode, but i have pc suite installed which was working........
When "usb device not found" appear try removing the usb-cable -> wait 20 sec or sum -> Press "u" on the n900 -> insert the usb-cable again.

abill_uk 2010-05-12 11:22
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by f2thak (Post 654990)
when trying to flash emmc it keeps asking me to install nokia cd-rom and pc-suite mode, but i have pc suite installed which was working........
You are running around in circles instead of doing what you should be doing in that order.

abill_uk 2010-05-12 11:25
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpitchford (Post 654986)
Having just helped out some with the same probem

flasher-3.5 -F os.bin -f
wait for it to finish
flasher-3.5 -F vemmc.bin -f -R

Don't unplug the phone between flashing the OS and emmc images..

(edit: Note that the first command doesn't have -R on the end.. important!)
This is correct but i dont think he will understand the first line even so you may have to type it out in dummy style complete as the os.bin bit will throw him lol.

zehjotkah 2010-05-12 11:29
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 655043)
This is correct but i dont think he will understand the first line even so you may have to type it out in dummy style complete as the os.bin bit will throw him lol.
^^
He does understand, what we're saying, but he does have a (for me well known) problem with the flasher 3.5 for windows.

cpitchford 2010-05-12 11:29
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
he managed to type in the "flasher-3.5 -F vemmc.bin -f -R" line so I figured he was almost there! The fault wasn't flasher talking to the device, it's not a windows problem as far as I can tell

Here is a thread that really does walk through step by step.. From this morning, I might add!

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/...unread-message

Seriously.. follow that thread very very closely and I imagine you should be fine!

AlMehdi 2010-05-12 11:46
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Look at that... so obvious... vemmc.bin... but he said he had read the wiki. So he probably done it both ways. Or not?

cpitchford 2010-05-12 11:52
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
done what both ways? The command he entered was syntatically correct.. The file vmmc.bin existed AND was recognised by flasher as an emmc image..

That was not the problem.. the problem was the phone failed to completely switch into emmc flashing mode..

He was using the right command.. I don't get you point..

When I help users out I often get them to rename the bin files to something more obivous.. in my examples os.bin and emmc.bin.. This saves them typing long commands lines and saves me explaining the benefits of "tab completion" on windows..

Seriously, I think the problem he is facing is that he hasn't flashed the OS then immediately flashed the emmc.. I recon that'll get him going..

If he still has problems with GSM stuff afterwards, that can be fixed (or worked around) later.. but first thing, get the thing booting correctly..

F2thaK 2010-05-12 12:14
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpitchford (Post 655066)
done what both ways? The command he entered was syntatically correct.. The file vmmc.bin existed AND was recognised by flasher as an emmc image..

That was not the problem.. the problem was the phone failed to completely switch into emmc flashing mode..

He was using the right command.. I don't get you point..

When I help users out I often get them to rename the bin files to something more obivous.. in my examples os.bin and emmc.bin.. This saves them typing long commands lines and saves me explaining the benefits of "tab completion" on windows..

Seriously, I think the problem he is facing is that he hasn't flashed the OS then immediately flashed the emmc.. I recon that'll get him going..

If he still has problems with GSM stuff afterwards, that can be fixed (or worked around) later.. but first thing, get the thing booting correctly..

what zehjotkah and cpitchford said

edit: finally thread title changed!

slender 2010-05-12 12:22
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpitchford (Post 655066)
Seriously, I think the problem he is facing is that he hasn't flashed the OS then immediately flashed the emmc.. I recon that'll get him going..
Yes this is probably reason that it doesn´t work. Should be probably mentioned in wiki.

cpitchford 2010-05-12 12:25
Re: WARNING: PR 1.2 RC and Overclocking [N900]
 
If you've tried flashing the OS (without -R) then flashing the emmc straight after.. all without unpluging or rebooting the phone and it still isn't working, I'd be tempted to try either

booting Linux (I've got a relatively simple USB stick solution if you have a 2gig stick laying about)

or

using vmware (again, I have a nice little vm that works in vmware player.. you just copy in the 2 bin files and its menu driven (but not pretty)

The errors you're seeing with windows asking you to install support shouldn't matter.. flasher isn;t using a driver in that way.. cancelling any driver requests should be fine..I thought..

a vm or a linux boot might be slightly safer since it rules out any windows problems

taril 2010-05-12 12:26
Re: WARNING: PR 1.2 RC and Overclocking [N900]
 
This topic is really funny! :-D
This topic is about professionals! :-D

ZogG 2010-05-12 12:59
Re: WARNING: PR 1.2 RC and Overclocking [N900]
 
http://i44.tinypic.com/2i052rq.jpg

AlMehdi 2010-05-12 13:04
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 655013)
When "usb device not found" appear try removing the usb-cable -> wait 20 sec or sum -> Press "u" on the n900 -> insert the usb-cable again.
Did you try this?

(And i don't think this has with overclocking like the topic say.. maybe PR1.2.. but most likely something els.. like a prog from devel.)

cashclientel 2010-05-12 13:05
Re: WARNING: PR 1.2 RC and Overclocking [N900]
 
The main risk of damage with the O/Cing is that the device gets locked into 100% CPU sometime in the night and then stays that way for an extended period going unnoticed and fries.

Getting locked at 100% usage is a bit of a risk, especially with Devel and Testing apps installed.

johnel 2010-05-12 13:08
Re: WARNING: PR 1.2 RC and Overclocking [N900]
 
@f2thak: In all seriousness I hope you get your n900 working soon.
(Let us know how you get on)

It sounds like your n900 is not dead, just resting...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iCDag7rZLq...400/parrot.jpg

cpitchford 2010-05-12 13:12
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 655152)
Did you try this?
The thing is.. in the cmd window screenshot he posted.. it DOES see the device to start with.. it asks it to move into emmc flashing mode, then the device disappears and doesn't come back..

From a flasher perspetive, unpluging the deivce AFTER it has been moved (or asked to move) into emmc mode is likely to jump it back out of that mode anyway.. You shouldn't unplug the device between these two steps..

Go back and have a look
First it says:
USB device found at bus bus-0, device address is \\.\libusb.....
NOLO version 1.4.14
Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009.....
Booting device into flash mode.

Then it says

Suitable USB device not found, waiting.


So, it never made it into flash mode.. but flasher DID see it.. Unpluging imho would be inadvisable at this point..

I saw someone earlier today with this same problem.. to solve it, we flashed the os image FIRST, then without rebooting or unplugging, we flashed the emmc..

I'm not sure windows is the problem.. it can initially see the phone, but it can't see it after asking it to go into flashing mode.. and an unhappy phone, it seems, doesn't always make it into flashing mode..

flashing the os has, in my experience, solved that problem and the subsequently allowed the emmc to be flashed.

lemmyslender 2010-05-12 13:15
Re: WARNING: PR 1.2 RC and Overclocking [N900]
 
Have you tried un-installing and then re-installing the windows drivers? I had some issues with Windows not wanting to talk (for eMMC) to my N900 after flashing the firmware. I believe I had to un-install the Nokia drivers, reboot, plug-in the N900, let if find and re-install the drivers, then flash the firware, no -R, then flash the eMMC all in one go.

jakiman 2010-05-12 13:16
Re: WARNING: PR 1.2 RC and Overclocking [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashclientel (Post 655154)
The main risk of damage with the O/Cing is that the device gets locked into 100% CPU sometime in the night and then stays that way for an extended period going unnoticed and fries.

Getting locked at 100% usage is a bit of a risk, especially with Devel and Testing apps installed.
Even when not overclocked, Nokia said it's not safe for the cpu run at the default max of 600Mhz constantly. :p

AlMehdi 2010-05-12 13:26
Re: NOW I've Killed It... [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpitchford (Post 655159)
The thing is.. in the cmd window screenshot he posted.. it DOES see the device to start with.. it asks it to move into emmc flashing mode, then the device disappears and doesn't come back..

From a flasher perspetive, unpluging the deivce AFTER it has been moved (or asked to move) into emmc mode is likely to jump it back out of that mode anyway.. You shouldn't unplug the device between these two steps..

Go back and have a look
First it says:
USB device found at bus bus-0, device address is \\.\libusb.....
NOLO version 1.4.14
Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009.....
Booting device into flash mode.

Then it says

Suitable USB device not found, waiting.


So, it never made it into flash mode.. but flasher DID see it.. Unpluging imho would be inadvisable at this point..

I saw someone earlier today with this same problem.. to solve it, we flashed the os image FIRST, then without rebooting or unplugging, we flashed the emmc..

I'm not sure windows is the problem.. it can initially see the phone, but it can't see it after asking it to go into flashing mode.. and an unhappy phone, it seems, doesn't always make it into flashing mode..

flashing the os has, in my experience, solved that problem and the subsequently allowed the emmc to be flashed.
Why I mentioned this is because i have tried it and done it successfully. It was on the PR1.1.1 firmware though. I am not sure why but i think it rechecks if the device is there and thats why it worked.

Laughingstok 2010-05-12 13:35
Re: WARNING: PR 1.2 RC and Overclocking [N900]
 
Oh shi-.. this thread might rival the epic PR1.2 thread for entertainment value. :p

daffydk 2010-05-12 13:39
Re: WARNING: PR 1.2 RC and Overclocking [N900]
 
hmm who gives a fu... about if the n900 cant stand the overclock or the leaked firmware.. its a phone if its broken fix it or buy another one .. stop this redicouls threads they realy starts to pi.. me off ..

evry time i look in this forum there are always a couple of threads about someone whining about the phone is dead due to leaked firmware.. or due to overclock ... SOOOOO WHAT .. get a freeking life and move on.. and use this forum for the real problems regards the official firmware and the stock phone..

If you use the leaked firmware and you overclock the n900 then you must have some sort of understanding about the phone arcitecture so you know what to do when shi... happens. there are a gassilion threads in here that points to how you boot and flash the freak... phone SO SEARCH before posting.. Fuc... head

sorry for the language i just got so tired of reading this thread and having a bad day LOL

Laughingstok 2010-05-12 13:41
Re: WARNING: PR 1.2 RC and Overclocking [N900]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daffydk (Post 655184)
hmm who gives a fu... about if the n900 cant stand the overclock or the leaked firmware.. its a phone if its broken fix it or buy another one .. stop this redicouls threads they realy starts to pi.. me off ..

evry time i look in this forum there are always a couple of threads about someone whining about the phone is dead due to leaked firmware.. or due to overclock ... SOOOOO WHAT .. get a freeking life and move on.. and use this forum for the real problems regards the official firmware and the stock phone..

If you use the leaked firmware and you overclock the n900 then you must have some sort of understanding about the phone arcitecture so you know what to do when shi... happens. there are a gassilion threads in here that points to how you boot and flash the freak... phone SO SEARCH before posting.. Fuc... head

sorry for the language i just got so tired of reading this thread and having a bad day LOL
Take your ritalin. Or don't read the thread. :)


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