Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Ok, here's one more option?

3. The winner gets the trip, 2nd place gets 60% and 3rd gets 40%. Since its not so big money the 4th place would get anyway...

But most importantly get the poll up :) I'm not sure what happens when you merge 2 threads - imagine there would be a poll in both.. But hopefully it will work with one. Seems there's no other option anyway.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Dun dun dunnnnnn!!!

Voting for System & Utilities is now up! That's our final voting thread! :D

As usual, please double check over everything and make sure it's how you want it.. especially those pesky links.. :)

There were a few projects withdrawn.. apologies guys, we just couldn't wait any longer.

Thanks for the suggestion Lukash, I'll get the bounty share poil done after some lunch :cool:
Edit: Or.. even better if someone wants to go ahead and start it :)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Could someone please STICK the voting polls? For example this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59080 is already in page 2 in Application's threads.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Hi Andy, as I mentioned on several of the threads I request each of the voting threads to be stickied as soon as they are created. I do this by reporting the post to the mods and requesting it be done. It's not something the thread creator can do. Each section has different mods, unfortunately we have to wait for that mod to pick the report up and decide to do it or not.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

I have created the bounty share poll with the 3 options we have collected, it runs for the next 24 hours.

Please vote and make your voice heard, especially the kind folks who donated into the prize fund. This is it.. what is decided is what we're going to do :)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

and another donation!

€10,00 EUR
-€0,54 EUR
=€9,46 EUR

by gs1

Thanks gs1!

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Apologies, it was pointed out to me in a pm tonight that I missed this post (I hadn't spotted it at the bottom of the page).

The truth is that basically every user can vote, the things you list like account created before the comp or atleast 10 votes are good ideas but these restrictions are just not available to place on the forum poll.

However, if you check out the competition wiki, it says in the rules:

It's maybe not written very well, but the sentiment is there. Cheating will not be tolerated and if there is enough proof I will certainly pull the application out of the contest. I will continue to work with the mods and everyone else to help ensure that your applications are in as fair a competition as possible, and that those who have donated to the prize fund are not cheated out of their money. We're all about openness and fairness here on Maemo.org, so let's have ourselves a good natured and friendly contest.. and a lot of fun too :)


On a lighter note, have you noticed a lot of the threads for our application entries keep springing up here there and everywhere on the active topics lists? :D Ive been jumping in and out of them for a looksie, it's pretty interesting.. all these new bugs reported, feature requests coming in, questions.. sometimes Im not sure if the developers are happy or not with their new found attention :D Especially some of the lesser well known applications, it's cool to see them get their deserved share of the limelight too :cool:

One of the aims of the competition is to get the word out there to people about the great apps we have that they dont see.. and I think to an extent we're achieving that :) When I was writing them up I was reading the descriptions and asking myself "Where has this app been, why haven't I heard of it before??!" The standard is genuinely very high :) I check the voting threads out constantly and I see guys with great apps and maybe only 1 or 2 votes.. sometimes 0.. and I feel terrible for them.. life can be cruel! :o

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Mmh, small question... all voting threads are in the Application section except the Games Voting thread.

So why is the Multimedia poll under Application and not in the Multimedia section? :)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Haha.. I dunno, I made them all in the applications section and the games one was moved afterwards. At the time I was hunting around for it and I couldn't understand where it had went. i guess one of the mods must have moved it for us. :)

While they were moving it, they didnt bother to sticky it though! :p I think Ive requested 3 times for that one to be stickied now, and the same for the others that have been floating around. Seems to just take a while depending who's modding that forum at that time and how busy they are.

Im spending all day watching these votes coming in.. it's kinda hypnotic.. seems to be more interesting than doing work.. ;)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

I wanted to update you all that we're relaxing the rule on enhancements and bugfixes during the voting period.

When we started the competiton, it was done in the spirit of no enhancements only bug fixes during the voting period. It's come to my attention that a lot of these projects have been updated and pushed into the repositories anyway. On reflection, there is nothing in the wiki rules that clearly spells this restriction out. It's also simply unenforcable to be constantly checking the changelogs and versioning numbers of all 50+ projects that have published their changes without having more people spending time to do so. I wanted to let everyone else know asap in case they had anything planned which was delayed by this.

As we are a development competition, in this situation I dont see any reason to restrict or stop the development now. It's only a few days left, so to cover everyone from now I propose that small feature updates and bug fixes can be made to the entered applications. However, I will not be updating the competition voting threads to include the new features - how the projects were completed on the July 21 is how they will be represented in the competition threads.

I know some of you have been sticking to this ideal and I apologise if you have delayed any updates because of it - as I said, in practise, the way we are set up it's not a rule that we can enforce. I'm afraid it's another of those lessons that's been learned for whoever runs the next competition :o

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

That is bad.

I did not add new features for scout, because I thougth only
bugfixes are allowed.
And I don't have free time in the next days to work on it :-(

nicolai

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

I agree, this is bad for those affected by it nicolai. I can only apologise to you.

The other situation is that I begin disqualifying perhaps 20 or more projects from the competition but, with no real legal grounds of doing so, that won't work :( The bug fix only restriction was only really discussed in this thread, for it to be workable it needed to have been in the wiki from before voting began. If we go the other way and push the ban on enhancements now then we have the problem of policing that (if it is not declared it could take a side by side look at the code to find it..) and everyone else who played by this rule wouldnt have a chance to update their projects. We cant force anyone who has updated to go back a version now, thats also unworkable.

I'm sorry you have been left in this sticky situation :(

On the positive side, it enables the competition to continue, most of the votes have been cast by now, and there is really only limited time left now for small updates anyway.

On the negative side, there will be those like nicolai who through no fault of his own will find himself disadvantaged. Please feel free to discuss forthcoming updates with those who ask questions in your threads if you feel that will help you gather support.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Yes! I support this option. ;-)

But seriously, I stick to the
"we all have won with those great applications".
So, no Problem!

regards nicolai

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

@Nicolai,
I am right with you on this one... Didn't release anything because of the rules and now can't even if I want....

Scout is great regardless!

For my application would not make much of a difference: Queen Beecon is just too far ahead and, I have to say, all my competitors are all just too good!

Congratulations to all for this competition! It is just amazing how much was produced in two months of spare time...

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Seriously, you really are much too nice! :p:)

I have a lot of sympathy for the disqualification option ;) but that's a lot of arguing and a fight we can't win.. by opening it up, we make it even again. Unfortunately it hasn't worked out in your case and probably a few others too... but for the majority I think it's the cleanest way forward. :rolleyes:

And apologies to you too, fcrochik, and anyone else affected by the change.

If it makes you feel any better, from whats been reported back to me, most of the updated projects are kinda smaller and maybe more beginner projects. For example, projects that have been helped to move up a repository but at the same time they've re-arranged a couple of options or changed a menu due to ffeedback.. so I don't think there's anything major thats been done at all. I guess after 2 months of work, 5 days during voting isnt going to get a huge lot more done. But a change is a change.. :rolleyes:

Echo'd! There's definitely a superb and talented development community on here :) *thunderous applause to all*

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

I wrote "a change is a change.." in my last post, but perhaps I'm wrong on this. Is it possible to have a list of allowed changes to entered projects?

For example:
*Bug fixes
*Versioning changes to the project to facilitate moving up through repositories.
*UI improvements such as text size/positioning, color
*Optification fixes
*Your input.....
*
*


Not allowed:
*No new functionality/features basically..

And what i can do is I'll add the new rule to the wiki after I get your feedback, I'll PM everyone in the comp to let them know the restriction will be in place from immediate, and we'll carry on from there?

So let me know.. open up the restriction or create a new rule to lock this down for the rest of the comp?

Edit: First draft of possible PM to send out to members, please advise.. awaiting feedback on what to do next :)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

I don't mind if a new set of rules are officially announced to every participator. So that everybody know something that should not be done. However, I want to clarify something:

1) That is restricted to software release , or also restricted to source repository? Can I add new feature to project , but not release it?

2) If (1) is yes , can I talk / promote in Maemo.org about it?

(I am not intended to do so , just want to clarify it)

3) Can I fork a project?

I am preparing to release a sub-project of PenPen. It is called as libpenpen (LGPL or BSD , not decided yet). I have done a lot of code refactor to move the vector drawing engine used in PenPen to a library. So that other developer may embed the vector drawing engine in their application. It could save their time and may develop more maemo application.

3.1) Do it count it as a new feature? But in fact , it have no any new feature to PenPen is added.

Personally speaking , I don't want to stop the development when I have the mood. But if it is restricted , I can suspend it and work on other stuff first.

3.2) Can I talk / announce it?

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Ben thank you, this is the kind of stuff I don't know about that I need help with. So Im throwing this out to the other developers to tell me what you think. I want make this fair for you, so tell me what you need for that to happen.. we'll rescue the situation yet! :) I need something that is short enough to add to the wiki rules, that covers everything, and is easy for newbs to understand..

Personally I dont want you to stop any development, but at the same time there is a strong feeling that it should not be counted in competition entries until after the voting ends. Is there an easy way to wrap up and answer all your questions into a sentence or two.. or is that asking too much? :)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

I think that any restrictions are pretty pointless. Given that the original rules did not specify any restrictions, and how hard they are to judge, it will be easier for all to allow the devs to update anything they wish. It's only a few days after all.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

The voting phase of the competition is a feature freeze.
You may respond to feedback and fixup bugs but principle remember voters are basing their assumptions on your work within the development phase.

You are welcome to create branches and discuss ongoing active development and hope all the apps are expanded based on the intensive brainstorming and discussion occurring throughout the competition but hold pushing these branches to -testing repository just until the end of the period if they expand on the competition experience.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Entries should not release new version of software during voting period except it is a bug fix release. No any new feature should be added.

Acceptable changes:
...

Unacceptable changes:
...

Something like that? Sorry for my poor English..

(p.s Time to offline. It is 00:16 in my side, kojacker , thanks for your hard work for this contest! )

(Added : before sleep)

I think the restriction should only concern on release. It should not restrict the source repository. Otherwise , it is not fair to open source project , and it will also affect the development.

And as the rules don't concern about how developer promote the software (no cheating!) , it should not restrict developer talk about what they are going to do next.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

I'm thankful for this discussion. Otherwise I had now to begin it. :D

I had not much feedback (and no time) the last weeks since my Application was stable and worked without bugs. The users simply used it and were satisfied.
Since the voting began I got several Ideas submitted, suggestions and questions (mostly thru E-Mail) and I would like to test some stuff and send the people who has asked fixes with the new features.

Don't worry. I haven't uploaded anything new. I fixed last saturday only my package description to promote the latest version to testing (to avoid confusion). I informed kojacker about this per PM. The binarys are identical.

But after getting so much feedback I'm thinking about doing some coding... hmm... :confused:

I had this morning the imagination I could ask here to change the text in the voting thread to "get it from extra testing" and provide the new features and changes to those who has asked for it thru extra devel.
Hmm... but finally I guess it is the best to post the compiled code here at the forum so the people are able to test it and I would not dynamite the spirit of our contest. ;)

For me it wouldn't change anything. If there were before the suggestions I had anyway no time to implement it. And now it is to late, I need to much time to implement new features and I'm not able to finish it before the voting is finished. But if I post the binarys at the forum it's for the users harder to get it running. (I don't like this idea)

What do you think?

I'm amyway in the midfield, so I couldn't win.
If I had implemented the suggestions before, perhaps my userbase would be so big that I had won the whole contest without problem. (so be afraid of me and kneel down) :D:D:D:D:D:D

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

'Option 2' has won the bounty share poll with 50% of the vote!

This means each of the 6 categories get their equal share of the bounty, then...

"2nd place gets 50%, 3rd gets 30%, and 4th gets the remaining 20%. 1st does not get a share of the bounty as Nokia are rewarding the 1st place winner already."

This is pretty cool as it effectively gives us an extra prize per round :cool:

Edit: Aaaaaaannndddd we have our first complaint already :(

Seriously, you just can't win with everyone :(

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Next time helex, next time! We shall all tremble at the mighty power of helex! Quick... to the helex-proof shelters, everyone!! :D

Well looking through the feedback (posts, PMs, email) - I first want to say thanks, as everyone has been pretty cool about it :) It's fairly even but the majority would like to run it as bug fixes only from now on, while the others were happy to open it up. So I guess majority rules, take that you outsiders!!!! Join the sheep and the collective mind!! :p

What Id like to do is send a quick pm around everyone to let them know the score, that say from midnight tonight GMT we're not letting any more features to be implemented in the released projects til the end of voting. Bug fixes are all good. We don't want to stop any development and I know coders have itchy fingers, so let's say releasing source into repositories is all good too - just as long as it's not built up and available as their competition entry.

How does that sound to y'all ? I really do appreciate your feedbacks on this, it makes everything so much easier! :)

Also, thanks to helex for thanking my rant back at HellFlyer on the other thread heheh :D That's what being starving and knowing there is a pizza waiting in the fridge to cook does to a man ;) In essence I must agree the poll should have run longer, in reality we were already late. From the feedback I was getting, it seems the same answer would have come out however long we had run it for longer .. so I dunno :)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Forget HellFlyer...you gave him a good reply :D

And its not SUCH a big deal how the money gets distibuted. Also, the second option was a clear winner.

Regarding the updates, I think bugfix-only releases should be allowed. Though it might be hard to enforce since it wasn't in the rules, so you'd have to say something like "starting now" I think. If someone released something already, can't stop it.

In the end, its only for the apps that will win something you'd really have to care about whether they added features or not.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Ouh, in this case it should be allowed for me to integrate support to remote control foobar2000 and the legendary Nokia dBox II (with running Neutrino image) and promote it to extras ASAP? :D :D

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Come on, man, you still have a chance to win something. Every time I see my 3 votes I feel like crying.... :D I wish there was a way to forbid everyone who voted against me to use my application. That would show the fools, after I add all those cool features I didn't have time to implement because I was concentrating on getting the basics right and testing for bugs that could cause dataloss to people... muahaha.... :D :D :D no.. I'm just kidding....

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Please go on with your work lukash.
I miss a good filemanager on my device, more than a fast
application manager :-)

regards
nicolai

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

As nikolai said, your Case File Manager is way to important. But I guess the problem you have is that many people are to afraid to mess up with their data while your application is under development (Beta)...
(Personally I can't understand, I'm to afraid to use fast application manager because of this: Bug 10267 - but I'm sure I'm wrong. Nevertheless I won't use a third party application for this as long as the internal app manager works (slow and annoying but it works without additional risk for my device))

I, as a Norton Commander (or mc), Windows Commander / Total Commander user since ages are following your efforts since I have seen the first screenshot. You have luck that your application is in a different category. Otherwise I would wait 5 days with my compliments. :D ;) (hmm... I miss a angel smiley here)

Edit: Okay, here you have: http://www.en.kolobok.us/smiles/icq/girl_angel.gif

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Haha, thanks guys. And you have a point, helex. I've done my best testing it, but nobody is perfect, so I can't give any guarantees. All I can say is "you most probably won't lose anything". I should have known its gonna be slow both because of me being cautious and because of people being afraid :)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

I nearly forgot to, but I just quickly mass spammed everyone with a quick reminder about the feature freeze in the coding comp.

I cleverly titled it - "Coding Comp: A quick reminder about the feature freeze"

I basically ripped off what lcuk and Ben wrote - well they explained it much better than i could ;)

I'll stick something in the wiki, then I'll think about heading to bed :)

By the way, we have had 14 responses from the donors I pm'd earlier. So far it's 12 happy with option 2, 1 would have prefered option 1 but is ok with option 2, and 1 (well he outed himself in the other thread if ya wanna know who :p) is not happy with option 2 and would prefer option 1.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

sorry for the delay, my vacation is now over, heading home...
I will update everything on sunday

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Hmm... strange lukash. If you had asked me before I had said that you will collect many more votes than I with my project. Only because of my very specialized usergroud. For your project it is enought to own a N900. For my project you need additionally a special kind of satellite or cable tv receiver (mostly very expensive).

But I guess the collective opinion is very different from mine. :confused:

Twitter is nice, but do I really need a application for this? Is twitter so important?
Or a fast application manager? In my opinion there is ApMeFo distinctly more useful. Or Alarmed, NetStory and Extended Call Log. I have those in daily usage... or the king himself: BackupMenu (why has Nokia not integrated something like this by default?)
Okay. I will stop before I enumerate 50% of the participating projects. :D

So, what do you mean after several days of voting?

Are the community voting because of the usefulness, the shiny design and optics or the implementation and program structure? :rolleyes:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

I've a Dreambox 7000s if this can make you happy ;)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Safe home zehjotkah :)

But don't leave it until Sunday til you're back on, the polls all close by Friday night! I wont know what to tell people until you tot up the final figures :)

By the way, we got another donation today so a big thanks to Mr/Ms Anonymous number 2. That's not their real name obviously but they wanted to remain anon, but they know who they are ;) Thank you!

Until zehjotkah tells me the details I have no idea how much it's for, so I'll add it to the list later once I find out :)

Speaking of donations and all that, I contacted Quim but he's on holidays til August.

"Hi, I'm on holidays until August. Do you mind sending me an update/reminder by then? Thank you!"

Hopefully that's 01 August! :p I think we can contact Peter anyway if we need more Nokia info in the meantime.

First of the polls, which is for the Games category, closes in 5-6 hours so we'll have our first winners announced soon :)

I should say, we have our first mobile app competition winner announced today - me! :p My team won a prize in the company mobile application contest. Platform of choice? Hehe I won't say for fear of lynching, but it's a bit fruity.. ;)

I work for an US company, what am I to do? :o

I'm going to spend some of the prize money now by contacting Fake to see if I can get 3 of his stands for the beginners bounty. His store isnt open yet but he left a post on his thread for me to email me..

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

I'm also wondering about that... IMO it seems to be about drawing people's attention and fulfilling their needs. The stock App Manager drives me crazy every time I launch it and just keep waiting. Everyone needs an App Manager. So there you go... TweeGo.. maybe its a very good twitter client? I don't use twitter so I wouldn't know and I consider many other apps in that category more useful...

Your DreamRemote is not such a surprise if you think about it. Consider the number of votes you got to be the number of people owning a Dreambox on this forum :D Judging just from the screenshots and description it must be a wonderful app to have if you own one.

A file manager, don't know... I realized I normally don't use it much either. The default one sucks so badly that I think people learned to live without one. And what you usually need is scp which case can't do yet anyway. But once (if ever, too bad the project is stalled atm.) there is USB OTG, everyone will want a FM to copy stuff to flash disks and back...

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

We've had our first 2 winners decided, congrats to Smoku (Games) and No!No!No!Yes! (Desktop). 2 down, 4 to go :)

Just so you know, I've emailed Quim and Peter @ Nokia to confirm the Nokia prizes. As soon as zehjotkah's back home and confirms the total bounty we can confirm shares also. Stick with us, we're getting there :)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

File Manager... I have to use XTerm in at least 50% of cases, you are right.

Good File Manager would attract me, if it supported Bluetooth File Transfer Profile (a phone is a server, N900 is a client, I browse files on phone from N900 and copy some of them to N900).
The phone can browse contents of N900 and claims to have Bluetooth FTP server. Why cannot N900 browse contents of the phone? And don't confuse it with File Transfer Protocol.

App Manager: default one makes me to wait for many seconds until dialog appears. And then it says: "Incompatible package". And then I go to XTerm.
How can Faster Application Manager be made the default app manager?
So that I could install everything in it.
And how can I add an application catalogue with local path (a local directory on N900 instead of Internet)?

TweeGo. I don't use Twitter (at all; I don't have an account). But the people who do, surely use it so often, that they need a comfortable interface for it, not a slow browser.

Best wishes to all, whether they win or not. If number of votes isn't 0, the application is surely useful, at least to some people.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

Big congrats to dwaradzyn and his CloudGPS entry which just took the crown in our Location & Navigation competition :)

And thanks to webhamster, tahitibob35, pine, and MartinK for making it a contest with their terrific apps. It was our smallest group of entries, but one packed with quality. Excellent work all round :cool:

Re: [ANNOUNCE] The First N900 Coding Competition! 21st May-21st July. Open to all!
 

benlau just grabbed the winner's trophy for the Graphics & Multimedia category with Pen Pen! Great work Ben!

Some news on the bounty front, good and bad. Bad news first. I received a reply from Quim regarding the email I sent earlier. He's still on holidays and sent me a reply back saying he'll be back in work next monday.

That's literally the reply, it doesnt say much. Im not sure if he doesnt want to discuss work matters on holiday, whether he cant confirm it until he's back in work, or anything else. But we'll talk to him again then :) The bad news bit is that it delays prizes for our winners as we cant split up the bounty in the meantime, Im sorry for that :( Im assuming "next monday" means August 9th.

The good news is that Fake has been in touch and he's sending me 3 of his lazor cut stands for the beginner's bounty. So big thanks to Fake! They're gonna take a week or so to get to me then I'll post them on the winners. I think at this stage, prize winners should expect hearing and receiving your awards sometime beginning August 9th but ofcourse we'll keep you posted with any info in the meantime ;) At least the places will be decided, it's just a matter of waiting a few extra days to see what your gonna get :p

So we've 4 winners declared, 2 to go.. plus 1 more for the beginners contest. Still a lot of voting to do out there :) Tomorrow (Friday) will wrap it all up :cool: