Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

unless getting/using the porting kit is similar to the case of the TI MBX driver kit...

That would be one major bazinga...

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

I have to say, the fact that Meego is not entirely in Nokia's hands is the only reasons why I think Meego even has a chance of surviving compared to its competitors. If I do get a Meego device in 3-4 years it'll be from one of Nokia's competitors.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

re-phrasing mister Gibson, the answer for your request is already here - it is just unevenly distributed ;) read post _and_ comments thoroughly, it has answers http://bit.ly/dhwE1x :rolleyes: :D

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

flash 10.1 beta requires the 2.2 update and thats not coming until later this year
so its pointless saying its out and android have it first b/c nobody can use it without 2.2

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

The problem is we don't know if Meego on the N900 will get Flash 10.1.

The only thing we know it will get is hardware support (as in the hardware will work) and probably boot into some rudimentary GUI that may not look like what Meego/Harmattan is getting.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

At a moment when one of the better selling phones out there absolutely refuses to support Flash of any version; Maemo (a product also out now) having the newest version of Flash would be, if anything, at least a marketing device that could/should be used to gather sales. And that's a missed opportunity to me.

While I do agree that a lot of people will not upgrade from the N900 to the next version just for Flash, I know that some folks - like myself - want the ability to use a full-blown Flash player and we're heavy Flash users or worse... developers.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

Please reread what I posted :) It was a carefully worded sentence.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

It is already out.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

same here i ve been a nokia fanboy since nokia 3310....
but in the last years nokia is going wrong way....
the n8 will be the same crap as n97 or any other symbian phone....
or do anyone realy think nokia will change anything except the name and the color of the buttons?? i will never buy a nokia phone again except they change their thinking.... and their support for existing phones....

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

I doubt the n8 will be crap.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

The ultimate plan is to launch Symbian^4 so N8 might hang like N900 :D

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

Quite frankly I see this as just another example of Nokias complete lack of communication. These forums are rife with threads thousands of posts long speculating about things that could be put to rest with a one line communication from Nokia. whoever runs their public relations department needs a friggin beating.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

there are to versions built in the the sense phones others down-loadable but there is a version cap

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

there are already flash lite 4 android devices out that are 10.1 compatible so what are you talking about????????????

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

I played with the browser of my friend's nexus one and the flash player was slow. for example, video playback from youtube was worse than n900. tried some flash sites and they were not faster either.

I thought flash 10.1 was mostly about hardware acceleration but the performance didn't look like it was 'accelerated' at all?? any ideas on this?

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

All reports on this are conflicting. If you check out the latest podcast from Engadget they say that at Google I/O, Google stated it wasn't going to be hardware accelerated, but the interview that Engadget conducted with Adobe Labs they specifically said the Nexus One is going to be hardware accelerated. No one really seems to know. Some believe that Adobe is kind of picking hairs by saying that because 2D may have software acceleration, but not 3D or it will only have acceleration for non-flv files and such. I've also heard reports that the Snapdragon platform on its one cannot have actual hardware acceleration(but I can't verify that outside of conversations with other gadget hobbyists). They really shouldn't call this mobile version 10.1 because people will think the experience will be the same as a desktop edition, when it really isn't. No one quite knows.

Back to the topic of the thread, I think its a big ridiculous that Nokia can't make the effort to update Flash. As some have said, they've been demoing 10.1 on the N900 as early as Fall 2009(granted the reports may be incorrect about the version) and here we are 6 months later and Nokia has nothing concrete about the topic. I'm not even asking for hardware acceleration, but just allow us to see the content. I have no real idea of what the difference from Flash 9 to Flash 10(or even Flash 10 to Flash 10.1), but I don't understand why Flash is so fragmented in the sense that its not backwards compatible by any means.

They really just need to do something because for this device to already be nearly done in a 6 month span is an extreme disappointment. I understood that the lack of apps was a shortcoming, but the Browser was meant to complete the experience, but without all the features of the Browser, the phone will be a bit disappointing. I haven't even finished paying the thing off yet!

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

was his Nexus One running froyo (v2.2)?

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

beta, not official AFAIK

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

As a former N900 owner who traded for the Nexus, Flash browsing and the slide out keyboard were the only things I missed from the n900. Now, with FroYo and Flash 10, I finally got my flash! There is no cursor mode like the n900 but other than that, its pretty damn smooth.

The n900 just wasn't for me and I consider myself a gadget freak as well. The Android OS just feels more complete to me as opposed to Maemo where it seemed I had to do too much under the hood to take full advantage of the phone. Not to mention that I'm very noobish when it comes to linux. Add the large Android Community and developers to all that and it was hard for me to stay away.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

yes it was.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

Maybe Lightspark will someday give us a usable alternative on N900:

http://lightspark.sourceforge.net/

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

Im thinking if everyone starts posting on the adobe forum maybe they will start to think its viable??

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2842996#2842996

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

That is my point exactly. In the UK at least most people will get their devices on an 18 month or 24 month contract. I checked a few phones recently and they seem to really be pushing 24 month contracts now.

So, if Nokia think NOT updating functionality on the N900 will get me to buy a newer model they have another thing coming. If by the time my contract is up my N900 has been officially unsupported for months, they will have lost a customer. They should at LEAST support the device for 18 months and ideally 2 years so that people who have contracts are well supported. If a device comparable to the N900 but faster with more RAM (hardware keyboard being essential) is available when my contract runs out, I will buy it. But if that device is by Nokia and my N900 had not been supported for months, I would take a long hard look for an alternative and potentially hold out until something comes from a company with a better track record of support. However if my N900 had been receiving updates up until that point I would buy the new Nokia in an instant.

I always knew it was a risk buying Nokia (the fact I was aware of that speaks volumes for how Nokia are mistreating their customers) but was willing to risk it with the N900 as I knew it would still be usable even if they dropped support, but it doesn't mean I would take that risk twice if Nokia prove to be as inconsiderate of their customers as rumoured. This is entirely about goodwill and the chance of me buying another Nokia rests entirely on how well Nokia support my N900. Especially considering the chance that the first Meego device wont have a hardware keyboard and will have a capacitive touch-screen, two big factors for me getting N900 was keyboards and resistive touch-screen.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

http://allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=496

"currently only for the i686 platform" - but that might change... ;)

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

Yeah well nokia sees their sales drop by the minute. iphone os and android are taking over the market fast. with this attitude of nokia they will run out of business very soon.

I read because of this lack of making good devices nokia is seeking a new CEO (unofficialy read about it). Nokia with its old fashion way of working is destroying their company. they need to innovate very fast with less phones and great support! Not making a new phone for every new feature they come up with!

I dont know how much longer it will take until nokia understands this.

If the support yet again is dropped, this time for my n900, then this will be my last nokia also.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

I find it interesting you mention the iphone in a thread about flash. Given that it has never had (and chances are never will have) flash of any kind.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

This thread is only nominally about Flash. The real problem is Nokia's habit of releasing hardware and then almost immediately abandoning it. The symbian guys are used to it -- s60 3rd ed / 5th ed hurt a lot of people -- but a lot of Maemo users were attracted by the technology and weren't aware of Nokia's unwillingness to support the people who buy their phones.

The other great example of this exists on this very form -- find the thread called "Fixed in fremantle and the diablo community ssu." Nokia used to be great about OS support on the N-series internet tablets. They even released a "hacker edition" of maemo 4 that would work on the oldest tablets. Then they started planning Fremantle, and the minute that happened the Diablo users were screwed forever. Ironically, the last big update for Diable enabled installing updates over the air, so you didn't have to reflash... and then the updates stopped coming. Fremantle killed Diablo over a year before the Fremantle SDK even came out.

The Flash thing is the most pressing current problem caused by Nokia's inability to give a crap about the people who buy their products; we bought a phone advertised as having 'full flash support' and now most flash sites tell us to get lost.

Flash 10.1 is a symptom of a real problem, and any thread about Flash is going to have comments talking about that problem. Everyone knows this by now (except you, apparently). Say what you will about Apple; at least they support their goddamn phones.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

Err... Nokia has never been great about supporting any of their devices including Maemo. They've always relied heavily on the community for the community supported releases prolonging the life of the older tablets.

Edit: To add it on, most of the Maemo users coming from the older NITs were hoping to see Nokia actually support Maemo instead of what they have been doing. And to a certain extent they are making the right steps (putting it out in the open so Maemo isn't just running on Nokia devices, QT cross compatibility) but the customer and OS support is same old same old. Which most Maemo users were hoping was going change.

It's personally why I won't buy a Meego device from Nokia. As much as I like the Maemo platform and the devices themselves, I won't buy another from Nokia given their terrible [official] support strategy.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

Getting Skyfire over would do the trick too...

http://www.androidguys.com/2010/06/2...ash-101-video/

Seen as symbian is opensource, some weird backport should be possible.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

I don't know why it's taking flash 10.1 so much time to arrive? adobe showed flash 10.1 on n900 ages ago.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

That would be really nice. I just pray Opera's team can add their similar feature to their Maemo browser(which is already pretty strong competition to the stock browser). The other thing I hope changes if they change(or allow you to manually change) the user agents because many sites view the browser as Opera Mini, so you ALWAYS get the mobile site(I've even tried attaching a comment to some webpages to no avail).

Check out http://www.engadget.com as an example.

I don't care who fixes the issue at this point(and Nokia's taking their sweet time), just as long as it gets fixed. I'm not even asking for improved video performance or anything, just compatibility with all the sites I enjoy(even Facebook player).

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

I don't have a Facebook account so I can't test it myself but, have you tried this modified flash library with the Facebook player?

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=967

Greetings.

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

That worked BEAUTIFULLY(with the exception of the long file names/directories that plugin has). Tested 10.0.53 with Facebook and Youtube(more soon). I asked myself if this were possible from the moment I heard about these different versions of Flash Player kept popping up(what seemed hourly) but none have any added features for most computers (especially considering the hardware acceleration STILL isn't standard). Thank you so much for the info!

This is helpful and a welcomed fix, but Nokia still needs to get on the ball with updating this for those who don't know Linux well enough to change this manually. Not to mention, some performance enhancement would definitely be welcomed as well. Now let's hope a bunch of sites don't step up the minimum Flash requirement next weekend...

Re: Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

While it doesn't fix the original problem, a user friendly way of doing it is TweakFlashVer.