Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

wo...sadavyk...you post is as agressive as your avatar

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

I joined the N900 fray expecting a higher degree of openness than I think we've seen so far.

Sure much of the code/defect tracking is open, but a lot isnt
- lack of transparency in terms of when fixes will ship
- monolithic firmware updates
- No navigation in maps
- no flash update

Now, if the reason is indeed meego then nokia come out and say that and bring the community onboard. From a development perspective I happen to think that could be a very prudent business decision, but you need to keep the community onsite.

In particular it would be awful to find out the N900 then wouldn't get these features under meego - or should it be mee!go! now....

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

if you wander over to the adobe flash 10.1 forum, its clear from over there that its not adobe who is in control - adobe wants flash everywhere, but they say its in Nokia's hands, and apparently Nokia cant be bothered to pay the extra to get flash to run on Maemo...

we have been had folks, full web experience my ***. As sites switch over the n900 loses access to sites and content.

Never buy a Nokia again and tell all your friends the same. This is the only way you can send a message to Nokia.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

You mean Nokia has to pay Adobe extra license fees for 10.1 on N900?

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

@Frappacino.
..
a. Name a phone with flash 10.
b. Android. Right. It's only a beta test. And if you see the 10.1 beta run on Android you wouldn't want it. It's not good.
c. Sell your woefully in adequate N900 to a deserving person.
d. Buy an iPhone.
e. Go to an iPhone forum and complain endlessly about flash.

That is all.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

This is questionable logic. He wants Flash 10.1, something Nokia and Adobe has stated that they were going to deliver, even Adobe showed it last October.

Then the N900 was released, 6 months later Nokia and Intel announces MeeGo. The users wonder if they will get Flash 10.1 on their N900. Not Android. And we all know Steve Jobs will allow Flash on the iPhone the same day he also allows every user root access out of the box.

Simply stated... it ain't ever gonna happen.

And your response to a person that's wondering why Nokia, Adobe, or whomever else in charge of that development of not getting Flash 10.1 on the Nokia N900 is (now get this) "go buy an iPhone".

Seriously. An iPhone. For a person wanting Flash player 10.1.

Epic logic fail.

People need to put some pressure on Nokia. That's why they are complaining here... at a Nokia Maemo forum.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

:eek: Gerbick and I agree on something... isn't this one of the signs of the Apocalypse? :p

On getting Flash 10.1:
I agree with the idea, but not with the implementation people are using. Not many Nokia employees are monitoring this forum. If you really want to get this done, log it as a bug in the tracker and get massive numbers of people to vote for it. That will get the attention of their engineering staff at least, if nothing else. And if that staff can go to their management and say "this feature request has more votes than any other bug fix or request in our system", I'd bet the winds would shift a bit.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

n900 is ment to be powerful right and if flash 10 dont come im gna be pissed . . . i swer the iphone os4 is getin html5??

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

If you want to put some pressure: make a website that tells the story in an interesting way (youtube video of n900 burning may work) - and get a petition page with all of us signing it, then have engadget, gizmodo, BGR, and all other tech blogs to report on the whole phenomenon.

I'm serious.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

I hope that I live long enaugh to see Real Maemo/Nokia developers posting usefull info on this forum OR care about the complents made here. And I am young, too!

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Well, there used to be more involvement in this forum by Nokia developers, but the noise level has reached a point that they mostly stay away now.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Complaining here ad nauseum won't get it noticed at all, agreed.

But despite bug logs, brainstorms (which I've asked if even that was getting looked at by Nokia, no answer yet) I doubt there is a proper way to get that concern viewed by Nokia.

But I know how to contact Adobe and they're rather active in their own community.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

I'll have a post up by tomorrow.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Sounds good. Don't forget the outrageous.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Would someone please explain to me what exactly magical fairy dust is up with 10.1 that people (so to speak) are ready to abandon a platform and a device for? I was also ready, at some point, to abandon N900, but my phone didn't work right for months while bugs were fixed already.

I couldn't find anything around the web that gave a 10.1 owner magical powers.

I'm serious here. I'd like to know. Does it have wings? Does it teleport people? Does it make gold dust come out of the USB port? What?

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Because Adobe managed to sucker lots of people into using their proprietary crap all over the place, and now people consider it essential.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Hyperbole is my middle name.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

It was my last Nokia phone If I get no Flash 10.1, that's sure.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

The we should have a moderated section where developers answer questions, like, one a week. Or a day or whatever they feel comfortable with.

We'll brainstorm and noise over the wall and the best voted/most interesting question gets through and a good answer is received. This will either be pinned, moved to a FAQ post in the said section or added to a protected wiki page.

I see little reason to allow Joe Average flood devels, including me. Every week, several questions get added to a poll and everyone interested votes, one vote per person, one question only. This way, if a question wins, then it burns several people.

Would this get the said developers involved (again)? I'd kill for a straight answer.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

flash was one of the main aspects for me, to buy an n900.

The problem is, that lots of the sites now only run under a more actual version of flash, so i am stopped to use this sites.

We have a video application allready running on flash 10.1, which we wanted to use on the n900. Because The n900 was also the first mobile with vga out.

Why the **** don't do they give out the beta from october to developers?

(if flash would be open source, we would have it running on n900 longtime ago...)

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

So, basically, people are afraid that they have no 10.1 all sites that use it will be unviewable? Heaven forbid kittens no longer stream directly to your phone from youtube? So, basically, if Youtube doesn't have a fallback Flash 9.0 or HTML 5 site poor kitties will go unwatched in the car?

Is that it?

Really?

You know what, you all deserve better. Not another kittyless day. You should buy another device. Down with Nokia.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Complaining over and over about not having what no one else has either has is an Epic Logic Fail

I think I'll go to the CentOS forum and start raisin' hell because I don't have CentOS 6.0 yet. I just got the upgrade from 5.4 to 5.5 - for free - but I know 6.0 is in the works! And the suckas haven't even said when they'll release it! How could they treat me so bad!

Gotta go. I just realized I gotta lotta *****in' to do! If I scream in ALL CAPS maybe someone will care!

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Nokia could have been among the first to have it... and failed to deliver.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Don't forget to mention that we're witnessing unprecedented number of fanboy suicides here, even exceeding the foxconn numbers.

fanboy suicide |ˈfanˌboi soōiˌsīd|
noun
the action of publicly renouncing one's brand/product loyalty. usually followed by a public outcry to get rid of one's ownership of said product by selling it off.
see also: regaining sanity

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

So, instead of using a more stable, universal flash version, you moved to the bleeding edge and then complain?

Don't want to poke at you, really, but as a developer, I NEVER, EVER use the latest release of a development tool or platform other than beta testing. To me, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" isn't a good idea, it's a requirement for keeping my job. I still have Delphi 5 installed (10th August 1999) and FoxPro 2.5 for DOS(Jan. 1993), just in case my shiny Delphi Architect 2010 has some showstopper bug. I also have a few in-between versions, like Foxpro, for example, 2.5, 2.6, 5, 6, 8 and 9. And I fall back as needed to keep things working.

Again I wonder exactly what magical dust 10.1 has inside that makes it a requirement. What possible support has been added that makes everyone push to the bleeding edge?

I know that the comparison isn't exactly 100% correct, because you run in the client's Flash, not directly on the platform, but isn't that an even better reason to hold back?

Who upgrades a site from a 90% user base to a 5% user base?

Maybe I'm just getting old fashioned. Man, 30 hits hard.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Check this out


http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/906...1betainand.jpg


Adobe is handling the release of 10.1 on Android themselves via the Android Market. No middle-man manufacturer to take months to release updates. It would be a big mistake in judgment for Adobe to allow any manufacturer to deliver updates on their own timetable when there might be security or performance updates that need to be addressed ASAP.

It's not rocket science to make Flash Player optimized for the 5-6 smartphone OSes out there, all with similar hardware. The only demos of 10.1 before the Android beta came out were by Adobe employees. With that said, I think when 10.1 comes out, it will be in the OVI store.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

GPU acceleration

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Who's more at fault here-- Nokia or Adobe?

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

It's our fault... we don't buy enough N900s to make it an attractive platform for either of them :D

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Anyone else with me?

No. I don't jump ship that easily.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

What exactly is keeping them from optimizing the 9.0 or whatever N900 has to take advantage of the GPU? Other than marketing and mob manipulation.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

format wars....years ago we would have been screaming for quicktime to watch web based video, today flash seems to be winning, for now, yes some hate it but is it not more frustrating coming to a site that tells you your version is out of date yet there is no update available.
Yes newer formats are coming but if the support for the N900 from Nokia is waining after 6 months, then all we can look forward to is a shrinking web and more web site compatibility issues.
Should it not be adobe's responsibility having pushed this technology as far as they have to produce versoins for all the different OS's.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Format wars happen between roughly equivalent formats.

HTML5 is wider, better, open. This more like a format execution IMO. Flash was fine when it was the only way to easily do fancy sites. This will change. As always, a few major sites will keep it going for a while and, as always, when a major enterprise switches, because of costs, the white flag will wave.

Besides, we, the users, will benefit from format wars in the end.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

cause they have a crapload sitting in a warehouse unsold?

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Uh-uh. The Flash 10.1 is becoming the new PR1.2.

talk.maemo.org is nowadays descended into a playground of childish people with everything-to-me-right-now mentality. All these threads are making me sad. Wasn't this supposed to be a phone for developers and enthusiasts not some whiney kids?

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Isn't the whole issue that Adobe Flash should be backwards compatable?

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Keep on dreaming fella, one day you will ride that unicorn

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

bro ill buy all your nokia devices, if there as bad as you say they are they must not be worth much then, salesmen usually tell people their products are great to get a good price, not the other way around

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

this thing (phone or tablet) was famous when it came out for being the only phone with full flash...

now what? down the drains again..

Nokia has totally lost it... its surviving only because of its well established name

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

So then it's coming when the next device is coming. On an open system no one stops you or our beloved devs to port it. And from linux to linux it's almost copy-paste ;)

Second, only the nexus one has 10.1 and it's the beta.

Be happy with your next android which might not even get support/updates at all or certainly after long months after google releases them. N'joy:D:D:D