Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

so ur not leaving nokia after all?

well i am happy w the n900 but im definetly leaving nokia... after this device... maybe in one or two years i'll get the iphone even if it means going against my wishes im tired of unfinished OS... i really dont care what u guys have to say abt me leaving anyway is not like im an active member i dont have the time...

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

And we don't care either :))

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

There's already a lively ROM cooking scene for Android.. can't say the same for maemo/MeeGo... (yet?)

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

There's nothing to cook? :D

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Well there aren't too many variations of Maemo 5

MeeGo on the other hand has promise

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

N900 is doing well with Flash 9.4 ;)

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

I leave this thread for life if I don't see flash 10 on my n900 in about 10 sec. hope noone cares.

just buy another device if u cant live without.

peace

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Well I WISH I could buy another device! :P I spent 550 euros on this. Hopefully it'll get better soon. I'm kind of cursing myself for not getting a Blackberry.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

I'm a bit disappointed myself at not getting flash 10.1 after all that teasing. I'll probably get an Android when it's time to switch phones. At least I gave Maemo+Nokia a fair shot.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

N900 is better than android. Just ive it a time and you will see.
it might support the flash 10.1 with Meego, who knows.
Cheer-up

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

but it might not, and even if meego does support flash, that by no means leads to availability of flash 10.1 on the 'n900 version meego' .

tbh, if nokia is gonna release flash10.1 for maemo5, they will probably hang big posters up in central london to convince people that n900 is not dead, but apparently , nokia doesnt give that much of a fxxk about n900 nor maemo5 anymore, so there goes.

furthermore, google and apple owns the most talented programmers and computer engineers nowadays ( no offense to all the respected programmers in the maemo community) , OS like maemo and windows mobile will slowly loss its attraction due to the low level of innovation of time and the pissing taking time they take to release new firmwares.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Caveat: I do not know how credible the following information is, but probably somebody better informed can use it as input to verify its accuracy:

What I understood from reading this this blog entry flash 10.1 will not come to the N900, because the N900 like many other phones do not fulfull the hardeware requirements setup by Adobe.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

"800x480 resolution, an 800MHz variant is required" we have this.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

What? Without overclocking it is 600 MHz.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

yes, what i mean is that it could be done. So i dont think that hardware should be a problem.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

If the quoted blog is right about the restrictions imposed for Flash 10.1, then I guess Adobe will not care about what "could be done", but what the default setup of the device is. Thus, no Flash 10.1 on the N900.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

IF the requirement is 800Mhz then why would they even demoed it on the N900 from the begining and it is running just fine! There seriously some marketing scheme going on right there! If the bench mark is 800Mhz then I'm sure NOkia will lift the CPU spec up by OC the device in the official firmware :D this is also possible.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Umm. Why does CPU speed matter so much when Flash 10.1 is supposed to be GPU assisted? SnapDragon 1GHz would be slower than OMAP3+GPU combo of the "stock" N900 if properly utilized. (our GPU is pretty damn fast mind you) As for my 1Ghz overclocked N900, well, wouldn't that be a different story? Hmmm.

Oh well, it seems N900 + Maemo5 will not get Flash 10.1 support even though hardware is capable. I thought having Maemo5 OS on the N900 meant "more options" but it seems we are going to be as limited as the iPhone soon for many websites.

Frustrating, but what can we do. Nokia has all the say and they say no.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

well if no 10.1 lets just hope that apple's plan to ditch flash creates html5 alternatives for 90% of the sites (and hulu). then its not as a much of an problem

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

It seems (if the linked blog entry is right) that it is Adobe imposing these restrictions not the device manufacturers - in our case Nokia.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

For youtube,... I see hope in HTML5. For sites like hulu I fear that they want some (fake) DRM, which is not planned for HTML5 at the moment afaik.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Actually, at that point, Adobe claimed that even an ARM11 processor is enough and demoed it (even prior to the N900) on a HTC Hero. Well, where's that Flash 10 (or even 9) on the Hero now ? I guess that's Nokia's fault, too :rolleyes:

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Sticking to the subject I am with you.

I bought N900 for one common reason, To be able to continue flash development for mobile devices. I've decided to get N900 because It was like perfect geeky device with open source OS, great hardware and I even love the "male" design of it. By accident I founded myself loving N900 for many other reasons but not the main one.

Lack of Flash 10.1 is a big issue for me. Since flash guys already putting live to their applications I'm outdated on the market. And again, who will be first is the winner that how this world operating. For sure not me, because 6 months is actually huge delay.

I can blame on myself for this decision. I don't really have another $500 to spend at the moment and I'm very fresh Nokia user. (3 months before I bought N900 I've got N97 and passed it to my girlfriend.) But after all, for sure I will keep my N900 and for sure it will be the last Nokia device. Every one deserve for a bit credit of trust. Nokia had a chance from me ...failed.

I'm not saying any other company is better here. I had chance to prepare little flash banner campaign for Palm and play around with those devices Pre and Pixi.
Also seen the way how they will present this device to the world. If you looking for development platform even if will get flash 10.1 this is definitely not for you. To compare to what they promising and showing in adds to the reality Palm is even worst than Nokia.

But this is my only personal opinion of course.

Because I will keep my N900.. who knows, maybe Flash 10.1 will happen some day, but that will not change my opinion about company itself.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

its a good lesson on Nokia's modus operandi

market spin, then stay silent and move onto next device.

this is last time they get my money too.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

If at all it is good lesson on << Adobe's >> modus operandi.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

BTW Read the article. HW acceleration is not universal, it is limited for very specific purposes. For example it can help video and sound playback a lot, but it will do little for, say, flash games (there are AS engine improvements which WILL help, but that has nothing to do with the 'GPU assist' point).

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

You have confidence that Nokia would have pushed it through for the n900?

Tell yourself whatever it takes to make you feel better

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

nokia gassers! nuff said!

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

So you think they actively pursued a path that disqualifies ALL Nokia devices (yes, ALL, as the N8 is below minimum, too) ?

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

My opinion and it can only be that, is that they wouldn't have actively tried to do very much (investment incentive or pressure on Adobe) to get Flash on the n900 even if it supported its minimum requirements.

I get the impression that you feel the opposite.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

I feel it makes little sense to shoot yourself in the foot, which is what happened here if the flash-on-N900 thing was as simple as initially hinted (remember, there is actually no proof Flash 10 for the N900 ever existed - the site they demoed on the Adobe conference works on Flash 9, too). Forget the user-side whining and think like a ruthless corporate decisionmaker. Your flagship N97 can't get it, your upcoming hot model, the N8 can't get it, so you choose to omit it from your ONLY model that actually already HAS Flash and also the one that has been demoed on the Adobe conference, and one that is coincidentally one of your most expensive devices. The loss of not having it is obvious, but what are you gaining from not having it ? Some will say they are protecting the harmattan device, but that one is at least 6 months away, known to be nothing revolutionary in terms of hardware, and by the time it comes out (at least according to Adobe) Android, BlackBerry and S60 will already have Flash, so it's not exactly news. That's why I say it makes no sense for Nokia not to support it if it is as simple to do as Adobe says. Not because they are extremely kind, or because they care, or because people whine, b!tch and moan about it on a community forum, but because it makes no sense from a strictly business perspective.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

i will leaving nokia, n900 is my last purchase of it.... i just feel that nokia does not care about consumer feel but i don't blame.

android working more hard then nokia yet every update they getting great improvement. can see, nokia knowledge does not match apple/google/microsoft...

what do we got in n900? no point to arguing nokia will going better in meego. look back to nokia history, does they providing good service? from s60, how many 's' nokia make? s60, s70, blablabla

meego? after then what? meein? meeout? meerun?

n900 does not have vsync, nokia knowing this issues regrading tearing screen problem they said 'WONTFIX', first word comeout from my mind 'WONTBUY' nokia anymore

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

@kyleric81: You do yourself and everybody a favor by leaving. You get a phone which better matches your needs and others are left alone, with the device and community they love. Just one advice, buy a device which will get Flash 10.1 for certain, or you will probably have to copy&paste your previous posting to some android forum.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Interestingly, I have seen very little tearing since 1.2 came out. The only time I do see it is when browsing, and only when not fullscreen. Where else are you seeing it?

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Has any Nokia phone ever gotten more than a dot revision to the (included at purchase) Flash player?

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@wmarone
He doesn't. He also didn't bother to capitalize, use grammar or check facts.

The only visible tearing I see is for browser in portrait, and it's been greatly reduced in 1.2, as it's been a beta hidden feature in 1.1, and we kind of expected it not to work.

I normally hate people who say this but I'll take the flak: Does "I'll %s if %s" really belong in a platform forum? Relocate or rename? Can we have an Off-topic/Rant forum where everyone can vent?

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

:) +1 @ WONTBUY. But I have it already ... The vsync problem goes much deeper actually, not only vsync is missing but buffer swaps are missing too, so everything gets blitted around several times before displayed, wasting gpu cycles and power. The tearing is always there on the n900, some may not notice because they are used to it.
The reasoning behind this WONTFIX was basically that it would need SGX driver update and this would be too hard to test :rolleyes:

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

My single biggest complaint against nokia at this point is their PR or lack thereof, especially in regards to the N900...

Why can't they just issue a brief quip about the security fix for this? Or even make use of the numerous unofficial channels available for them if try can't make any official statements about it.

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

Has any non-nokia phone ? No phone (Nokia or not) except for the N900 had flash 9. Flash Lite 3 was released, like in, late 2006/early 2007 ? So not sure what the point is (unless we're suddenly saying that the froyo precedent is something has 'always been that way').

Re: Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900
 

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