Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

This shouldn't be a "from scratch" effort.

First of all, the entire Linux contingent will form the foundation of what the OS. Its not like they are building the OS from scratch. And Intel and others have a hand in that development too.

As far as the UI goes, they should be able to leverage a lot of the Maemo stuff.

Why is this taking 6 months ?

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

It doesn't have 40% market share in smartphones.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-analysis.aspx

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

WTF am i reading this right? didnt i read a few days ago that it was official that meego wasnt coming to the n900?

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

"This time Nokia did not report N-Series and E-Series sales, but All About Symbian estimated those at about 4.3 million N-Series and 5.7 Million E-Series. That means half of Nokia's smartphones were of the low-cost type. "

Enough said.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

You're mixing words.

MeeGo is not coming to the N900 officially. The N900 is, and remains, the ARM development platform for MeeGo. A development platform that doesn't work isn't exactly going to be very useful. So there will continue to be N900 releases for developers and no support for the N900. (Now, when I say for developers I just mean that they aren't going to focus too completely on a "perfect" user experience so much as a "working" one.. but that doesn't mean that it'll wind up crappy, or unusable, or even not ready for end users.. They just won't be releasing it as an official update.)

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

If I understood Correctly,

Currently Meego 1.0 is available for the N900 BUT does not have a UI, I et that point, what I do not get is the difference of june and october? Too me the N900 is like a computer anyhows so WTF?
Would it be hard to get a UI for the N900 faster

Does the Core Release do everything it suppose to just with out a UI.... I am a little lost...........

Please redirect me

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

The UX for MeeGo on Handsets has not been released. In June they will start releasing alpha/beta/pre-release/testing/etc to the "open" in order to facilitate the "open" development. What that means is you'll be able to load the UX on your N900 in it's current state.. which, especially in June, is going to be very rudimentary - probably very buggy, and maybe even unusable for day-to-day operation. However, as time goes on, and their development matures, the UX will get more and more stable. In october they are planning (it appears) to have the first official MeeGo Handset UX stable release for MeeGo 1.1.

You can load MeeGo on the N900 today and load XFCE on it I believe... so that gives you MeeGo with a UI if you want MeeGo.. but XFCE is not in any way optimized for touch screens and will be quite clumsy.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

That's a bit of misinformation.

The netbook version of Meego released today is for x86 atom processors.

Yes there is a ARM port of Meego in development, yes it will "run" on the N900 - for the explicit purpose of developing for OTHER platforms.

You'll need a fairly decently spec'd computer to run QEMU with ARM target in my experience, just FYI.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

So can someone that knows whats going on break this down im dumb terms for peple that dont know much about what is going on. Specifically in point form. :)

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

First look at MeeGo 1.0 for Notebooks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P5DHjSLj8s

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

This build is command line only.
Nothing graphical.

N900 WILL NOT get an official build of Megoo.

Nokia will release developer editions which are not designed for end users.

Maybe one day they might release (or a dev) a hacker edition of Megoo. Like they did with older OS's for previous hardware releases.

Like 770 got the newer firmware in form of a Hacker edition and so it other hardware.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

eh?

"grew smartphone sales 3% from the excellent Christmas quarter and sold 21.5 million smartphones. "

They are talking about only smartphones.
Even so, half of 21 million is still more than the nearest competitor, RIM.


http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/04/2...e-not-delayed/

"107.8 million Nokia phones were sold in Q1 2010 (33% global market share) "


So, in Q1 2010 Nokia sold 107.8 million phones, of which 21 million were smartphones.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

I like it. That UI looks finger-friendly enough for a tablet.

I can totally see a cheap tablet (atom processor, 1/2gb ram, 4/8gb ssd, sd cards, usb, etc) with this.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

i don't understand, if the n900 is a reference platform for developing meego, how difficult can it be for the community to "port" it to the n900.

And could someone explain how we would call it "port" since it is developed for the n900?

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

That's why we have these threads
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ad.php?t=53571
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53551

The official MeeGo is geared towards capacitive touch devices and that is why Nokia isn't pushing an "official" release. But since the n900 is a reference platform, getting a version shouldn't be too hard. You should read the above threads. Stskeeps and qgil explain it pretty well.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

Better stop pumping out software, better concentrate on fixing and refinements on N900 Maemo. There's still so much to improve on the N900...

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

Doesn't Intels MeeGo(moblin) have it's own smartphone UX? Like we saw from the Intels videos and that's what N900 is getting, not Harmattan/MeeGo?

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

I think we are getting MeeGo-Harmattan or something of that sort. Qgil or Stskeeps explained this in the other thread.


EDIT:

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

If it's true that we are supposed to get Harmattan to N900 then it shouldn't be any kind of surprise that it's coming late 2H to N900.

To be honest i thought N900 was getting Moblin phone UX. Is there any info of when that might be coming btw?

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

@tissot

Harri's team is working on bringing the Linux Foundation MeeGo on N900 and there's a separate but somewhat related community (with assistance from Nokia) project to port Nokia's Harmattan.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

About MeeGo 1.0 Core release for N900

It does NOT include

- Mobile UI/UX (N900 will boot to Xterm)
- Reference Applications

It is intended for MeeGo developers for development purposes, and

- has practically NO value for end users
- has little value for MeeGo application developers.

Please do NOT install it if you don't know what you need it for.

For mor in formation, pls. see
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900

Br,
//Harri

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

What about the theory we could install xfce using meego xterm?

And another question - is meego installable on SD card?

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

Perfect/fully working UI for meego isn't needed on n900.. What's very important is for the UI to be implemented enough to use the core OS of meego for it's phone functionality. Maemo's UI is good enough already and suit the n900's design. Remember what most users aim for meego is the OS's additional functionality which focus more on the device's telephony module like T9 keyboard, 3g video calling, portrait mode GUI & many more(I mean very2x many). You would know if you would read all the replies of members waiting for the official meego release or ask them what they aim at the meego platform. :rolleyes:

So a wild guess... Upon alpha release of the meego OS w/ initial UX on june. Probably most n900 users would prefer to dual boot it already just for the sake of the maemo 5's lack of features. That is if the alpha version would be enough to make the said features work at least slightly stable. :p

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

As nice as this thought is, I can't see anything but a bunch of "it's a 1.0 OS" excuses. Maybe Nokia just learned that if you keep starting over you should start the version number over so those excuses work (even though in this case they still won't be good excuses). I cringe every time I hear them used for Maemo.

I wish Nokia (and their loyalists) would just man up and admit the stuff that isn't up to par (but should be at this point). I hope things change with MeeGo as I like a lot of what Maemo had to offer but I won't hold my breath.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagenormal/1274963361.pngeverybody says that it's only coding. Why does every site where the meego 1.0 story is mensioned they use this picture. So what is this? this isnt real or not available?

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

That's for netbooks

Irresponsible journalism, I guess.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

That's for this one...
http://download3.meego.com/meego-net...20100524.1.img
Unfortunately that isn't for the mobile but for the netbook. To make it short the image file for the n900 is still just command line while the netbook version has the User Interface already which the picture represents.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

Like... everything?

http://www.students.tut.fi/~haapasa4/n900_meego.jpg

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

Look, I was all about this argument from Maemo4 -> Maemo5. I think that "restart" was silly, so while I was understanding of certain things lacking or software from M4 not working in M5 because the OS was a complete re-write.. I think a step 4/5 or whatever it was shouldn't have been a "complete rewrite" to begin with.

However, Nokia is not doing this again. They were already too far along in development of Maemo 6 to stop and start over. I think that's what people are ignoring here and getting confused.

MeeGo is a totally new, from the ground, base OS that is stealing parts from Moblin and Maemo. However, the next device from nokia will not be a MeeGo device; it will be a Harmattan (Maemo 6) device. It will just have (theoretically) complete MeeGo software compatibility built-in to the structure.

Nokia is not "starting" over and just calling something "1.0"... MeeGo really is a fresh start of a totally different project. The Harmattan device is not called "Maemo 1.0".. course.. what it actually is called right now *shrug*.. qgil mentioned calling it "MeeGo-Harmattan" since it's a bit of a hybrid for both.

MeeGo-Harmattan will still be Deb-based, for example: which is a dramatic difference from MeeGo's RPM-base core. I'd venture that "MeeGo-Harmattan" will actually be more Maemo, than MeeGo. But, of course, we really have no idea what it is right now as it's not in the open.

What most of you should be concerned about is not whether MeeGo will be on the N900.. but whether the next official OS from Nokia will be - and that's MeeGo-Harmattan (pending more formal naming)... and there is an entire thread about the possibilities or not of a full Community Edition of that for the N900.

MeeGo is an entirely separate beast, and should be treated as such. Unless, of course, we start getting bugfixes marked as "Fixed in MeeGo".

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

So how you gonna get maemos ui working for meego:confused::confused:

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

I didn't say we need to integrate it but instead to give the user an option whether to boot a device as a semi phone/mobile computer or as a full phone functionality. Like the trick of dual booting... If the user feels he needs the use of a mobile computer he/she just restarts n900 and boot to maemo. And if he/she thinks he needs some of the phone capabilities he/she just restarts and boots to an alpha release of meego with better phone support functions. "I hope" :p


And also... If maybe n900's desktop environment is open source maybe some people or maybe me can mod it to have full portrait auto rotational UI, and T9 keypad support for a start? :D

There are lot's of DE's on the wild but I can't mod it to support n900's phone capabilities since I don't have any idea yet how to. This is my first time encountering linux as a mobile phone so a reference for the existing DE would greatly help.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

Off topic - MeeGo for Atom works on my Asus EEE 1000H, the UI is interesting and not bad, but its generally slow ...

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

As of right now, MeeGo v1.0 for Netbooks and v1.0 for Nokia N900 are available for download, with the former supporting Atom-based machines and the latter supporting... well, we'll let you take a stab there. The API that's being released includes Qt 4.6, and while the current SDK is tailored for netbooks, the next version -- slated to hit devs in June -- will support "touch-based devices, such as handsets and tablets." We're also told that v1.1 will be outed in October, with the development tree already being open.

SOURCE: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/m...e-to-download/

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

Has someone tested it yet? I saw that the N900 MeeGo images are available at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases...0-open-armv7l/

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

Again again again again, the N900 image available is -ONLY- a console. It provides the basic libraries and filesystem, and a rudimentary X session that only shows a console.

The one you might want to play with will come out sometime next month or so.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

Can someone help me understand...

MeeGo 1.0 for N900 here is just MeeGo-Harmattan core right?

MeeGo 1.0 for Netbook is the actual Maemo / Moblin MeeGo.

These aren't the same MeeGo's right? Or if they're the same, can someone help me understand, thanks.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

No. MeeGo 1.0 for N900 and Netbook are the same MeeGo. Right now the N900 version doesn't have a User Interface/Experience (UI/UX). That will come later.

There is a separate project in another thread on these forums to bring MeeGo-Harmattan to the N900 once there is something from MeeGo-Harmattan that can start being ported.

MeeGo 1.1 will likely have the same interface as MeeGo-Harmattan (and thus, most users are probably going to think they are the same thing) - but they aren't the same OS. MeeGo-Harmattan is actually a Maemo base with a MeeGo compatible API stack (primarily, a full UI in QT and QT 4.6 support) - whereas MeeGo is a completely new OS.

(this is my understanding, I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm mistaken.)

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

Sorry to be OT , but boy am I glad to see you lpotter ? Where have you been these so many days since your Zaurus forum managing days ?

Really a nice surpise to see you back in action now that QT is again front and center in Nokia's plans ...

Welcome.

Re: MeeGo 1.0 for N900 is relased!
 

I think I understand so you're saying MeeGo 1.0 for Netbooks has a UX layer but MeeGo 1.0 for N900 does not, and MeeGo-Harmattan is the UX layer (1.1) that will eventually go on terminal only MeeGo 1.0 for N900. And that the MeeGo core is the same in both instances.