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Helmuth 2010-05-27 11:59

PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
Now with PR1.2 we have a Setting to subscribe to receive Nokia Tipps and Support SMS messages...

But for what are they useful? Today I received a SMS message that now a new firmware update for my N900 is released!

Damned, that was yesterday! :mad: It's a old message. And I have it already on my device. And I don't have to visit the webpage linked in the SMS message. I don't want to flash the firmware with usb when the ota update works so fine. And why they are sending such SPAM messages? The Application manager gives us all a yellow information mark that there is a update. :mad:

Should I cancel the subscription after this first annoying message or is it possible that there is something useful comming? :(

I can see it already: We all get before the end of the month the news that ovi maps has improved the poi feature with a nice link to a colorful webpage and the invitation: UPDATE NOW!
We are all clicking on the Link and 3 Webpages later: "Only for Symbian S60V3/5" :mad:

PradaBrada 2010-05-27 12:02

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
Its good for getting users hopes up by feigning "interaction"

nosa101 2010-05-27 12:03

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
no



.......

benny1967 2010-05-27 12:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 682516)
But for what are they useful? Today I received a SMS message that now a new firmware update for my N900 is released!

Damned, that was yesterday! :mad: It's a old message. And I have it already on my device.

To be exact: You wouldn't have received the text message if you hadn't already upgraded. 99.9% of us had never heard of "My Nokia" before PR1.2

So they selectively send an SMS about a new software upgrade to those people only who already upgraded the software.

To answer your question: "My Nokia" is useful. It's useful if you want any more proof that Nokia is absolutely incapable of communicating with its customers.

EDIT: i wonder why they don't just offer a pre-installed RSS feed as they did with previous Maemo versions....

JonWW 2010-05-27 12:19

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Should we be worried that the PR 1.2 update sent nokia our phone numbers with out our permission.

I didn't tell nokia I had an N900 and up till now have been receiveng SMSs for my old N97. I now have one regarding my N900.

It doesn't bother me, but they didn't ask.

benny1967 2010-05-27 12:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JonWW (Post 682572)
It doesn't bother me, but they didn't ask.

well, yes and no. they din't ask, but they informed us how to un-subscribe again.

i find that this is unacceptable, though. (i even wonder if this is legal here in austria... i'd guess it's not.)

attila77 2010-05-27 12:23

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 682516)
The Application manager gives us all a yellow information mark that there is a update. :mad:

Not necessarily. IIRC If you passed on an upgrade (ignore) you will get no further yellow-mark notifications about it.

PradaBrada 2010-05-27 12:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JonWW (Post 682572)
Should we be worried that the PR 1.2 update sent nokia our phone numbers with out our permission.

I didn't tell nokia I had an N900 and up till now have been receiveng SMSs for my old N97. I now have one regarding my N900.

It doesn't bother me, but they didn't ask.

methinks classaction lawsuit

benny1967 2010-05-27 12:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 682586)
Not necessarily. IIRC If you passed on an upgrade (ignore) you will get no further yellow-mark notifications about it.

I don't say that it's a bad thing to inform N900 users about updates.

IT's just that those "My Nokia" text messages will (I'm 100% certain about this) not reach those who didn't upgrade. The registration at My Nokia was forced after the PR1.2 upgrade (without a possibility to decline), and I cannot image any N900 user registered there before PR1.2.

volt 2010-05-27 12:48

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Action:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 682516)
Now with PR1.2 we have a Setting to subscribe to receive Nokia Tipps and Support SMS messages...

Reaction:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonWW (Post 682572)
I didn't tell nokia I had an N900 and up till now have been receiveng SMSs for my old N97. I now have one regarding my N900.

Subscription successfully enabled?

Amboss 2010-05-27 14:56

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
When my N900 booted after updating I got a screen which told me about the MyNokia. There was a button to read EULA which I did. It said there IMEI, Phone number and something else will be send to Nokia.

I don't know why I choose to continue but I think I had a choice not to accept which in return would have left me alone (I would hope).

stlpaul 2010-05-27 15:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Amboss (Post 683001)
When my N900 booted after updating I got a screen which told me about the MyNokia. There was a button to read EULA which I did. It said there IMEI, Phone number and something else will be send to Nokia.

I don't know why I choose to continue but I think I had a choice not to accept which in return would have left me alone (I would hope).

using the US firmware, I didn't see that. "My Nokia" is in Settings, but there is no possibility to subscribe, only to unsubscribe.

On my N95, "My Nokia" also existed, but when I selected it, it told me this service is not available in my country. Lucky me? :)

MiK546 2010-05-27 15:21

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Maybe somebody at Nokia actually saw us complaining before the PR1.2 arrived that it doesn't imform us enough, so it made the My Nokia -service activate automatically. And I too saw that EULA at startup, but that was the third time I booted my PR1.2, not the first.

Switch_ 2010-05-27 15:29

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I have had My Nokia enabled for a while but to be brutally honest, they have not sent me one single useful text message at all, categorically, ever. Anyone worth their salt will go away and do the research on their phone to find out how to work it. To then be told "You can shortcut to your messages by touching the message body when you have a notification" is frankly insulting.

PS - It's been enabled since I had my N95-2, the upgrade to N900 didn't kill the subscription.

Unsubscribe if I were you. Useless IMHO.

pelago 2010-05-27 15:34

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Is there any way to remove the "My Nokia" icon from Settings?

whateva 2010-05-27 15:42

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MyNokia its not a new thing ive been using it for some time on n95.
this service sends usefull information about your device every couple days. some of the things ive already known and some were new to me.
it can text you with information about all sorts of shortcuts, news, general phone usage.
it doeasnt cost you a penny so dont complaint about it after first news just because you have already know that

magicalkobra 2010-05-27 16:09

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sorry for being out of topic, but when i try to open "my nokia". i get an internal error.application settings closed. can someone help me here?

Jack6428 2010-05-27 16:15

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Now they can track you down, if you accept the terms and setup the thing, by remotely switching on your GPS and Wifi and locating your position. Now you will be monitored and once they have a lock on your device, they will download remotely and log all of your sms, im messages and contacts. Do not be afraid, you can avoid it. Simply turn your phone off.

cjp 2010-05-27 16:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by magicalkobra (Post 683234)
sorry for being out of topic, but when i try to open "my nokia". i get an internal error.application settings closed. can someone help me here?

Save yourself while you still can!

MyNokia is of no use to you. Its just spam messages that might end up showing on your phone bill as texts received from abroad.

benny1967 2010-05-27 16:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Amboss (Post 683001)
When my N900 booted after updating I got a screen which told me about the MyNokia. There was a button to read EULA which I did. It said there IMEI, Phone number and something else will be send to Nokia.

I don't know why I choose to continue but I think I had a choice not to accept which in return would have left me alone (I would hope).

IIRC, there was no choice. there was a button that made me proceed to the next step and one that opened the terms of service.

what you're saying is that if i scrolled down to the bottom of the terms of service, there was a button saying 'don't accept', and pressing this button would then change the whole logic of the dialogue (like make it disappear altogether or have it offer an 'don't subscribe' option)..?

i could have missed something during this update, but i don't recall such an option. even if if it was there... it was obviously so hidden nobody noticed. which again would make it dubious.

magicalkobra 2010-05-27 16:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cjp (Post 683284)
Save yourself while you still can!

MyNokia is of no use to you. Its just spam messages that might end up showing on your phone bill as texts received from abroad.

thanx for the info man, but still i wanna know wat is wrong wz it

attila77 2010-05-27 17:25

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 682616)
IT's just that those "My Nokia" text messages will (I'm 100% certain about this) not reach those who didn't upgrade. The registration at My Nokia was forced after the PR1.2 upgrade (without a possibility to decline), and I cannot image any N900 user registered there before PR1.2.

Interesting. I did not do OTA (I flashed 1.2) and did not have to register. In fact, MyNokia did not come up at all during the boot after the flash. I have it in settings, I started it once, but seeing the War & Peace sized license agreement I just tapped outside the dialog and it went back to settings, so can't say it was too pushy.

ndi 2010-05-27 17:42

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I never got any messages. How would Nokia get my phone number, after all? I never told it what my number was and I don't think there's a service that self-gets phone numbers.

I have it enabled (by default) but since I never got anything I guess they either have nothing to say or they can't say anything. Both suite me fine.

And, as far as I care, auto-subscribing people to anything is bad, low and illegal. In the US, there's the opt-out policy that allows anyone to send you anything and it's up to you to unsubscribe. I believe this to be a steaming pile of lobbying. In EU, it's all opt-in, meaning the best they can do is offer. Decline or don't reply and you're off the list.

I think that the database by itself is bordering illegal. I'm already a bit angry with them for making me send them my location for assisted geolocation. Now that they have IMEI, number and location, I've just been placed in a database with (maybe) name, exact location, phone number, model, IMEI, where I purchased it (IMEI) and what carrier I'm on.

IMO, it's a bit more that it's needed. One of these days, the database will "leak" or "get hacked" or "stolen", or whatever they say it happened. Some smuck will get fired and I'm left in databases forever.

I don't want my name, number and exact location to ever be in the same database. Let alone whatever else they may have (maps search history, routes).

Let's see who's laughing when they have a joint venture with Google.

sjgadsby 2010-05-27 18:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 682616)
...I cannot image any N900 user registered there before PR1.2.

Ooh! Me! Me! I did!

Shortly after the release of the N900, some new community members complained they'd received firmware upgrade notifications from My Nokia even though the first firmware update for the N900 hadn't been released yet. The messages were along the lines of:
Quote:

Originally Posted by My Nokia SMS
My Nokia Tip: New software is available for your Nokia phone. To update and enjoy great new features go to http://www.nokiausa.com/softwareupdate on your PC.

The problem appears to have been the vagueness of the SMS message combined with people having previously owned, and registered with My Nokia, other Nokia phones. Anyway, as some posters claimed this didn't account for their messages, I signed up with My Nokia to see if I could figure anything out.

benny1967 2010-05-27 18:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 683606)
Ooh! Me! Me! I did!

Good boy. ;)

gwj 2010-05-27 19:11

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by whateva (Post 683136)
MyNokia its not a new thing ive been using it for some time on n95.
this service sends usefull information about your device every couple days. some of the things ive already known and some were new to me.
it can text you with information about all sorts of shortcuts, news, general phone usage.
it doeasnt cost you a penny so dont complaint about it after first news just because you have already know that

It did cost me - it has sent an SMS to Nokia for which I had to pay for. I do not remember reading about it in any EULA.

ndi 2010-05-27 19:16

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Really? Shouldn't it show up in Conversations? I have no such thing.

gwj 2010-05-27 19:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 683758)
Really? Shouldn't it show up in Conversations? I have no such thing.

It does not show up in the conversations, but it does show up in my billing.

ndi 2010-05-27 19:31

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
If Nokia sent an SMS with no logging and not enough prior warning then what we need is a big mallet.

gwj 2010-05-27 20:48

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
I have filed a bug report:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10368

ndi 2010-05-27 20:51

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Edit: No, wait, some one else posted it after you.

Amboss 2010-05-28 15:02

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ndi (Post 683477)
I never got any messages. How would Nokia get my phone number, after all? I never told it what my number was and I don't think there's a service that self-gets phone numbers.

...

In EU, it's all opt-in, meaning the best they can do is offer. Decline or don't reply and you're off the list.

As for the first: its a computer, if a program says "send a SMS" it does. And Nokia said it would do so in the EULA. I just took a look on my mobile cost control: I have sent 2 SMS. Probably one, when I signed up for the service sending them my IMEI. The second when I unsigned. What bothers me is that I didn't do what I was tempted to in the first place --> "Don't press yes, find a way out other than that". No I have to pay 2 SMS as I am not using this type of information much an therefor have no flatrate or free package. :(

As for the second: Maybe thats the difference. I live in Europe and I did opt-in instead of do nothing. Maybe U.S. versions will always have to opt-out? But nevertheless there would be some information that a SMS will be sent. :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 683327)
IIRC, there was no choice. there was a button that made me proceed to the next step and one that opened the terms of service.

No, you got me wrong there. There was no button explicitly telling "No I don't want". There was as always the (blurry ? ) area outside that screen (that with the buttons "eula" and "next") which is an often used option on N900 to cancel a screen ;) It took me some second to think of that while I was looking for the exit I never took thou.

gabby131 2010-05-28 15:03

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
mynokia i think are notification of updates (as on what i read) but not available in my location.........so.......nothing

Helmuth 2010-06-10 18:50

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
Small summary:
We have at the moment 6 votes for "useful", 43 voes for "not useful" and 23 votes from people who doesn't matter or never have heard anyting about "my Nokia".

And today many of us got the second "update information" SMS without a aviable update for the N900...
...who of the 6 "we like my Nokia" votes would like to change their votes now? :D

vitamina 2010-06-10 18:57

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I dont want to change my vote, nokia is the only who announce via sms/e-mail when a new software/game is available.I think is a great job, everybody makes mistakes, for a wrong sms we don't need to make such a war

ndi 2010-06-10 23:02

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 709264)
And today many of us got the second "update information" SMS without a aviable update for the N900...

Glad to hear it, that means either mu unsubscribe worked or my subscribe failed. I have nothing.

Benson 2010-06-11 00:56

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
Never got an SMS from them, but My Nokia is in my settings, and when I open it has an unsubscribe option... :confused:

FWIW, I flashed the leaked PR1.2 RC, then OTAed to PR1.2 -- I'm sure I'd have noticed if they threw up the license agreement at either point, but maybe I didn't somehow. Still doesn't explain why, since I'm apparently subscribed, I didn't get any SMSes ever.

Crogge 2010-06-11 01:09

Re: PR1.2 - For what is "My Nokia" useful?
 
I got today another update SMS oO

Helmuth 2010-06-11 09:27

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Now I got 20 minutes ago a announcement per EMail that I can update my N900 with the Nokia Software Updater to get new functions and improvements on my device... :(

...I have to unsign or they will never stop spreading hoax? :mad:

ndi 2010-06-11 15:17

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Did we ever get an official response over this blunder?


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