iPhone 4
 

Sorry to be the one to have to start this, but there isn't a thread yet so it has to be done.

Opinions
Comparisons to closest rival (HTC Desire?)
comparisons to N900

For the looks of it, it seems to be a real step forward. Even if you don't like it, you have to agree it's still really good for the whole smart phone market as it raises the bar yet again.

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Wouldn't its nearest rival be the HTC 4G Evo?

Edit: Noticed in the keynotes that people are writing that Jobs said its the thinnest ever. Is it thinner than the new Droid Shadow (I don't know the size of either of them)

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Looks good. I won't lie. If AT&T had less crappy plans, I'd switch in a heartbeat.

But then again, I feel like this when a new Apple product gets announced. Jobs just sounds so convincing

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It might not be but seeing as Motorola haven't officially announced, I guess Steve Jobs just took the opportunity

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The screen alone has my attention. And yeah... I would compare it to the HTC 4G EVO first, not really a comparison the the N900.

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the device looks slick and expensive, wish it was loaded with maemo 5 or meego tho

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i guess with it being leaked so much i'm meh towards it.

not to mention it's featurs aren't all that impressive.
imo i'd rather have the evo

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The screen seems amazing, but Steve's hyping it up too much again. For years, they had the worst resolution by far, and no one cared. Now when they're slightly better on that feature, it's a huge deal. It's not like the competition's 8??x480 is noticeably pixelated.

Still love it, though. I hope MeeGo gets something similar.

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Yeah, I am with the "meh" crowd as well.

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The announced Netflix app makes me

a) laugh (as long as the iPhone is locked to AT&T there's not much use for it on AT&T's 3G network
b) hopeful that Android (and possibly Meego in the future) will get it.

Imagine how beautiful it would be to stream from Netflix to a device with an HDMI out port like the HTC 4G Evo has.

Nevertheless, good for iPhone users though. Probably will get their most use of it at some place with a WiFi spot though.

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There's no doubting it's quality, though I'd be very reluctant to buy one purely because of Apple and iTunes. It's only competition is Android, so that's where I'll be looking once my n900 contract is up at the end of this year.

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Hah, now Steve is introducing video calling to the world. "You know I grew up with the Jetsons... and video calls... and now it's real. What about you?" :rolleyes:

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Does Netflix work outside the US?

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Well have to admit the battery time if true is pretty damn impressive. I do like that its quadband. The screen is a nice selling point.

I am normally an iphone hater - but gotta admit - looks nice.

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That's my issue with Nokia. They don't really "sell" their devices.

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I doubt it does.

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The two things that won me over were the screen and the 7hrs 3G talk time.

What's interesting about the screen is that I think apple will make use of it to enhance readability and media definition within the comfortable ergonomics envelope while retaining high aesthetic standards. (Yeah, that's RDF talk probably.) not just to cram desktop apps on small screen.

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I have 2 levels of problems with my n900 physical (ID), software.

The Iphone 4 solves 1 physical problem in it can be placed flat on a desk. but it opens up a big one The iPhone 4 has 326dpi on a 3.5" screen that's a problem try and RDP at pixel 1:1 on that! I think the pixel density of 225 dpi in the n810 is great. my n900 screen is a little too small - want make that mistake again. Also they haven't fixed the removable memory bug

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Yeah, then... as usual, new features that aren't available to the rest of the world. I think Ovi was going to launch a video streaming service to Europe and Asia with the launch of the N8?

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For most people that have iPhones, there is no competition.
You'd be surprised at the number of people that see anything 'smart phone like' (that isn't obviously a blackberry) and just assume it's an iphone - even the N900 which we know is completely different. It's these millions of people and the majority of the market that they're targeting with these advertisements/claims. They just don't know or care about the competition so it's irrelevant.

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yeah, battey life is very appealing, aside from such a sleek form factor, which are my two big gripes with the n900

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Iphone4 release on June 24

Free upgrade to iOS4 for all iphones and ipod touches... listening Nokia??

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Still......no user changeable battery. :rolleyes:

The usual imbreeding. Not good for any progress outside the pack.

Still a slick package.

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the n900 also has an appealing battery life on paper, I'll be impressed if my iPhone fends stop complaining about the battery .

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Lawl the video calling is WiFi only?

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User replaceable batetries are overrated.
- Unless you're buying secondhand you won't notice performance (capacity drop)
- and rather than shutdown/reboot your phone to replace a dead battery at the end of a long day, you can just plug an external battery pack to continue to work. (or ubiquitous charger availability decreases the necessity...)

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nokia has there head in the sand.

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I think easy battery exchange is very nice and it would be trumpeted by apple, if they could incorporate it and maintain the svelt packaging.

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I'm not that impressed. No spectacular new tech, though I guess that's just proof that smartphones are hitting a wall.

Next winner in smartphones is the one who gets through that wall. I'm guessing mobile cloud computing might be the next big thing, where I think MeeGo is in a good position, with multiple interfaces to access your data.

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And only iPhone 4 to iPhone 4... Major fail there as far as I'm concerned. And iOS4 still falls short of even Maemo.

It is a beautiful device though, probably the prettiest phone I've ever seen (I was never a big fan of the 3G(S) design). And the screen sounds like it is amazing.

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They're helpful if you don"t want to bother with going into a store to get it replaced. It happened to my friend recently (iPhone 3G). Battery died, she went to a store and one said it was the battery and they'll charge 80 for a replacement. They said they would have to order one, so in the meantime she went to an Apple store in another mall. The other Apple store tried to claim it was water damage near the dock but wouldn't show her the water sensor.

Luckily she just went back to the original Apple store and got it replaced.

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The iphone has an amazing range of battery covers and add on battery packs.

I got my internal battery unofficially swapped at a shop for £20. No biggie.

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You do know that you could replace "iPhones" in your paragraph with just about any other brand "N900", "HTC EVO 4G", "Motorola Droid" et al and if the phone has fans... they will defend it as being the best.

Just saying... not saying you're wrong.

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720p recording rox !

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Right now, I think that more raw power is needed from mobile processors. We haven't seen anything really new in mobile processors (aside from Moorestown, and that comes with a lot of caveats); mostly we have seen software updated.

For example, I am pretty sure a lot of the complaints of Flash being slow or clunky would go away with a speedier CPU/GPU; along the software optimizations that are being done to the software at the moment.

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WHat carrier has the iPhone in England?

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O2, Vodafone, Orange, and Tesco (supermarket telecom spin off, reselling O2 network i think..)

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Do any of those use the 1700/2100 MHz frequency-band?

I really wish the iPhone wasn't on AT&T

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All carriers have the iphone in England

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The iPhone OS upgrades are more like feature packs. MeeGo is going to be a much bigger change.