Originally Posted by Kingsley (Post 704466)

Because it would be super expensive? don't forget that apple logo comands quite a price premium

Originally Posted by Hotshot (Post 704468)

I get what your saying. And its simple really why not just build the best hardware phone you can and stop splitting it between a couple different phone. I.E. best Nokia phone with a 8 mp cam than a best messaging phone than a best this and best that why not just one mega kick *** phone? How hard would that be?

Originally Posted by afaq (Post 704495)

Everyone else, please contribute respectfully or just go sell your integrity and jump on the iphone wagon. We wont miss you.

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 703957)

User replaceable batetries are overrated.
- Unless you're buying secondhand you won't notice performance (capacity drop)
- and rather than shutdown/reboot your phone to replace a dead battery at the end of a long day, you can just plug an external battery pack to continue to work. (or ubiquitous charger availability decreases the necessity...)

Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 704492)

would it have a hardware keyboard? Slider or integrated? Would the screen be 3.5 inches or 4.1 inches? Would the screen be capacitive or resistive? should it have IPS Tft screen or AMOLED? etc etc

I kind of like having a choice and I even keep different phones for what i am going to be doing and swap sim cards sometimes.

Nokia did recently have Design By Community series though

http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/

Originally Posted by afaq (Post 704495)

Wasted my time reading all these pages of comments. As someone said earlier, If you want to suck steves cock please go ahead.

Originally Posted by Thesandlord (Post 704499)

For example, the front cam in the N900 was useless until a 3rd party made an app for it....

Originally Posted by Grok (Post 704507)

Snip




Funny.... mine works fine without a 3rd party app. Unless you consider skype a third party app, even though was installed in my phone from the factory.

Originally Posted by afaq (Post 704495)

Wasted my time reading all these pages of comments.

As someone said earlier, If you want to suck steves cock please go ahead. He once again has reminded you of your need to be held and hugged by the man with no substance.

Originally Posted by ezmendriz (Post 704506)

IMO it looks good. The screen is awsome and battery life seems good, if true.

But, same screen size, no real video chat, same storage capacity, only 5mp camera( I was expecting 8mp or better) no 4g.

In sumary: a deception, considering current competition and of coming devices. As other previously stated, Apple used to raise the bar, IMO they did not raised the bar enough, especially when they fall short comparing to others in some many areas.

Ezmendriz

Originally Posted by Grok (Post 704507)

Funny.... mine works fine without a 3rd party app. Unless you consider skype a third party app, even though was installed in my phone from the factory.

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 704272)

Enough of the bitterness... this thread has about 10 pages of healthy conversation.

Seriously, it's not about much more than... comparing one to the other. I think it's a horribly moot point because the N900 is not Nokia's future. The iPhone is definitely Apple's future. Comparisons between the generations of phones (this gen vs. last gen) are inevitable... but honestly I'd prefer same for same.

So what is Nokia's future? MeeGo. And so far, the scant few paragraphs about the OS is all that folks have to compare to so far. I think that MeeGo/Intel/Nokia needs to take the time to talk about their product - not as a comparison, but as an educational method to explain what their goals are, what they will/will not deliver, and above all... why MeeGo is good for them.

No more lofty marketing speak. Detail what it is, how it affects the average consumer - the hard core users will be there regardless - and push a platform like they've never done before.

They need interesting and engaging evangelists and Nokia needs to do something they've not done in a while - be forthcoming with what is coming. And keep those lines of communication open.

This place doesn't need those evangelists - iTT (I mean TMO) is quite informed already. It's the masses that go "ooh" and "ahh" that need to know that something else is coming down the pipe from other vendors.

Not everybody is eligible to purchase an iPhone at lesser prices (subsidized) and most will be later in the year. Nokia needs to take advantage of that.

Hire a street team. Get the message(s) out there. Show some stuff - even if it's "beta" and push it out there. Let Arstechnica - they are in-depth and unbiased - among other places see your stuff. Say it's a work in progress. Hit up EETimes and let Intel show stuff off.

But damn. Do something Nokia.

Originally Posted by Bourdain (Post 704513)

Coming from the proponent of a phone (oh sorry "portable programming internet device") that is the equivalent of a vacuous iron-pumping meat-head? Okay.



The Meego/Maemo crowd have to the most idiotic foolish motley crew of nerds I've ever seen. They literally want their wallets to be raped.

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Quality > quantity. That one phone crushes anything Nokia has even dreamt of. Nokia would drop everything they're making if they could come out with something as good as the iPhone.

Nokia doesn't care about you, all they want is your money.

But then again if you have a dedicated crowd who will burn their money at your say-so why do you have to worry about creating an innovative, modern, trendy relevant product.



All of those phones were garbage, Nokia had the monopoly on what is now the 8bit equivalent of a computer gaming system. As the hardware has gotten more sophisticated ALL of those companies have leapt ahead of Nokia who though that continuing to put out mediocre products would cut it.

Sorry, your customers aren't that gullible you sanctimonious sons of b!tches (well, aside from the N900 crew on this messaging board). You treat your customers like idiots and that's why Nokia is dying a slow death.

Just look at the laughing stock their flagship product, the N97, was. It was a complete joke made obsolete in the first 3 months of release. Shoddy design in build, an OS that was barely coherent, terrible interface the list goes on and on.



Everything Nokia has touched has turned to crap, is N900 even an officially supported device? And come back to me with that Meego garbage when we get a bloody stable edition of the current MAEMO



If you believe that you've obviously swallowed the lie hook line and sinker, the phone isn't completely open and even if it were, as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, in reality, openess = *****. It isn't a feasible model for a strong product as far as hardware is concerned to be incubated in.

Nokia never had a vision for the N900 and have dumped it like a steaming pile of cow pat.



afaq talking about integrity while attacking everyone who has a legitimate gripe and argument with pure ad hominems? Why am I not surprised.

Originally Posted by Hotshot (Post 704446)

Oh you mean data intensive on at&t crappy network? Cause mines run fine all over my city with tmobile decent 3.5g. Which I have 90% of the time and thats in building as well mate

Originally Posted by PradaBrada (Post 704487)

Oh so, thats why the Nokia 770, N800, N810, N900, Archos PMA400 other such niche devices had such great support.



Delusional appreciation for Nokia's closed "open source" practices, typical symptom of Stockholm syndrome.

Open source/Linux promoters always talk about free software and the benefits of having an own understanding of software.
In actuality most of them aren't doing anything useful with their knowledge, it isn't paying the bills for anyone, it is just providing a free platform for a few basement dwellers and some people who don't want to pay for paid alternatives.

These promoters are analogous to the so-called experts who think they know better than their doctors just because they have access to Wikipedia.

That is until they realize that developing is practically a job and requires pay.

Originally Posted by PradaBrada (Post 704528)

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Sir Bourdain, a true voice of the people :)
I do have one question: do you cook as well as you argue? :p

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 704535)

Oh hey, you can copy and paste the same crap in two places.

Originally Posted by Bourdain (Post 704545)

And yet you still have difficulty responding in a coherent manner to the cogent argument put forth by our resident medical expert. :)

Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 704562)

I can't wait to see some youtube losers buy an iphone and try to destroy it and see how far they get.

Originally Posted by Bourdain (Post 704513)

The Meego/Maemo crowd have to the most idiotic foolish motley crew of nerds I've ever seen.

Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 704456)

It looks better than the 3GS but still lacks some hardware and the configurability of the n900.

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 704635)

600mhz A8 vs. 1ghz A4 - I am SO SURPRISED that nobody has said "A8 is double the A4, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS!"... please keep that up y'all and don't say it.

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 704635)

Such as what configurability? Besides the hardware keyboard and rather unused IR port... they both don't support USB OTG, they both have a 5mp back camera - iPhone is lacking a cover - both have a flash for that back camera, both have a forward facing camera.

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 704643)

*resists the urge to say it*

Originally Posted by Benson

Oh, and processor-wise -- everyone knows an A4 SoC has a Cortex A8 core, same as ours. (And running the same 1GHz clock speed as some of ours. ) But if you want to compare numbers, you gotta compare SoC vs. SoC, so it's 0xA4 vs 3430 -- we're 20.9x as good!

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 704656)

Well, WRT OTG, some hackers already have it working, and we'll get it nicely packaged "any day now" (I think a week or two). It's likely to take a bit longer to hack that on an iPhone, because you can't build a stock kernel from source -- you either gotta hack object code, and take advantage of the existing kernel, or start completely from scratch. OTOH, I suppose a chances exists (though vanishingly slim, IMO) that iOS gets OTG in a future update, where Maemo never will.

Of course, I would tend to call that angle "hackability" or "openness" -- "configurability" probably referred to something totally different.

Oh, and processor-wise -- everyone knows an A4 SoC has a Cortex A8 core, same as ours. (And running the same 1GHz clock speed as some of ours. :p) But if you want to compare numbers, you gotta compare SoC vs. SoC, so it's 0xA4 vs 3430 -- we're 20.9x as good! :p

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 704668)

I saw the USB OTG "hack" and was impressed and we all know that Apple would never allow that directly. Not unless down the line they can charge you for an accessory and get even more money from you.

If that USB OTG dongle comes out for the iPhone 4, I want my cut Steve!

Originally Posted by Bourdain (Post 704540)

Why thank you my brother, that is quite the honour coming from an internationally renowned Doctor of Medicine, and indeed my gastronomic verve is second to none. :cool:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 704548)

And you've got multiple personalities. I responded to your points in a different thread. Instead of bringing straw man arguments and being completely oblivious of how things actually are, perhaps you should make yourself familiar with what is actually happening in the field.

Or are you just doing to computing what you claim others do with medicine?