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Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does

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Originally Posted by pantera1989 (Post 706331)

Hmm..what happened before I was born doesn't really bug me..if so I would be pissed with England for involving us in WW2. Anyway I don't hate microsoft for one simple reason.

Everyone here uses Microsoft. A few users use linux. But the difference is that although they use it, they complain about the OS. With Apple everything seems perfect which bugs me. How could it be perfect? One of the greatest devices around..sure. But perfect? And arguing with Apple fan boys is like arguing with a woman. Even if you're right they will never admit it.

** Edit ** As imperial said you will never win this iPhone war. The iPhone can do a lot of things. It is superior in many aspects. You can't deny this. The only thing the N900 is really better (apart the obvious stuff like camera and browsing) is the liberty. I like that. I feel excited when I mess about with the N900. Jailbreak doesn't even come close to the liberty on N900. But this won't get mass appeal..but it certainly got mine.

What a Yanker

" would be pissed with England for involving us in WW2"........pearl harbour...................................and no its not just a film

"Everyone here uses Microsoft. A few users use linux" - does not compute....logic error

" How could it be perfect?".......you obv dont own one.

"With Apple everything seems perfect which bugs me"........hmm my iphone is perfect, *hasnt* crashed *once* in 6 months, Im paying £35 a month on vodafone for N900 and Ive mad 2 calls and 20 minutes surfing.........sums it up

"The only thing the N900 is really better (apart the obvious stuff like camera and browsing) is the liberty".....................did I miss something ????....has nokia opened up its closed binaries ????, what liberty do you speak of ???,

is it the liberty

1) NOT to see your contacts in BMW iDrive over Bluetooth
2) The liberty for the phone to jumble up numbers if you type a phone number too quickly
3) The liberty NOT to activesync
4) The liberty to crash regulary
5) The liberty to get 3rd rate "apps"
6) The liberty to get dumped by Nokia
7) The liberty for your USB port to fall off

what liberties do you speak off wise one ?

PS safari ease of use pwns firefox on N900, really quick and simple to use, N900 web browsing is like cleaning your b*lls with sandpaper....very, very painful, its the lack of multi touch that really kills it imho, and personally flash should be binned, who in their right minds wants that bloated buggy crap.

A post like this comparing the n900 to the iphone is utterly pointless, there *IS* no comparison. I bought my n900 in december, and was so dissapointed I went and got an iPhone in Jan, and haven't looked back.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 718808)

If I'm not mistaken IM clients still work similar to how they are on OS3.x. When you minimize the app, you get updates through push notification and the IM app doesn't maintain continuous connection to the server. When you switch back to the IM app, then it'll reestablish connection and download all the updates that you've missed.

There'll be speed increase when switching in/out of IM apps due to them not needing to be initialized everytime you run them, but there'll still be a pause as it reconnects to the server-side daemons and downloads all the missed messages.

Actually, I think it will be VOIP stuff that work the way I described.

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Another good example is Skype: In previous versions, Skype needs to be open to receive calls. That makes it useless as a phone replacement. In iPhone OS 4, Skype can keep running in the background to receive calls. It doesn't matter you are surfing the web or playing a game: You will be able to pick up the call—switching instantly to Skype—have a conversation for as long as you want, and then return to your browser or game just where you left it.

http://gizmodo.com/5512656/iphone-mu...simultaneously

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does

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Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 718709)

If you have issues with iTunes then the iPhone is not for you. Jobs is never going to change that. The iPhone has clearly stated its market yet a lot of folk from different markets keep dog piling on it.

It's like saying the Kin is a terrible phone compared to the n900. The iPhone is a mass market phone and most people use iTunes and would rather not drag and drop. Why? Using iTunes is probably the easiest/simplest way to transfer music.

As for multitasking, iPhone user complained music streaming services (like Pandora) and IMs didn't work in the background. Now they do. That is what iPhone users wanted and that is what they got.

On another note, while I love multitasking on the n900 sometimes it makes the n900 hard to use. Doing something else while updating software is a pain in the butt. You might as well be patient and let it finish.

I do understand that the iPhone is mass marketed but is it that difficult for Apple to make iTunes just an option. Seriously. As for multitasking it is probably easier on the Nokia n900 than iPhone in my opinion.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does

I can use the N900 as a hammer.

The iPhone can't.

I accidentally dropped my N900 on my foot today and 30 minutes later my toe still hurts like a b***h.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does

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Originally Posted by rickysio (Post 719238)

I can use the N900 as a hammer.

The iPhone can't.

Your typical Nokia Fanboy can your device do that huh, huh, huh! I didn't think so even if the feature is completely worthless at least my device can do it can yours do it. No! My device can do everything even if don't use those features even once my device is still better than yours (yelling)! Typical iPhone fanboy man my iPhone is so perfect everything from Apple is perfect. My iPhone does everything I want it to there is an app and game for everything. I love to constantly annoy my friends by showing off every time I get a new app. So what my iPhone doesn't have features found in a phone from 2003 it is still better somehow.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does

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Originally Posted by garyc2010 (Post 718846)

what liberties do you speak off wise one ?

Freedom to hack. If you had to ask, there is no answer that will satisfy you, because you're not a hacker.

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I bought my n900 in december, and was so dissapointed I went and got an iPhone in Jan, and haven't looked back.

If Maemo is not right for you, and you are no longer using it, why waste your time posting here?

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does

There is so much hardcore pro-DRM shilling in this post it isn't even funny.

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Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 716858)

You sound like they impose DRM for the sake of DRM.

Yes, they do. By enforcing DRM they keep you in your little sandbox and retain ownership over your property. What, you thought you -bought- and -owned- that iPhone? No, it still belongs to Apple.

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Are you kidding me ? Use a little common sense.

Common sense would dictate that if I pay money for something, it's mine. Copyright law defies common sense however, and requires thought. Unfortunately, the end result is that the copyright holders want to own the idea forever and charge you for all uses.

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They impose DRM not to piss off the users or for principles, its becuase it makes the platform a selling point for the PRODUCERS of the DRMed content, whether that be an APP or any other media content.

Yes, because Apple is selling -you- to -them-. Or perhaps there's a fundamental flaw with this equation where they're mistaking who the customer is?

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And judging by the range of apps and content available on the iPhone platform, I would say they have succeeded extraordinarily well.

That has everything to do with the size of the audience, and nothing to do with DRM.

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Put down the bong pipe of "principles" and come back to the real world and FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Jesus christ you just made me lose even more faith in humanity. Do you regularly screw people over for the sake of making money? Oh right, being fair with people and not treating your customers like the enemy to be imprisoned is "toking on the bong pipe like a dirty goddamn hippie" and the world is all about ****ing over the other guy to get yours. Right, duly noted.

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They do it because they want the content to sell for $$$, not because of some meglomaniac decison by Jobs or Hollywood.

If you hadn't noticed, Hollywood is (indeed, most of the content industries are) filled with megalomaniacs who would love for you to -never- permanently own something and be forced into a perpetual state of renting. They'll screw you over in a flash if it served them, and from all indications they do.

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Remember before digital tech became widespread there WAS no super restrictive DRM. DRM arose in response to digital copying tech becoming available.

The MPAA **** bricks in front of congress when the video cassette was unveiled, with Jack Valenti making his infamous comparison of it to Jack the Ripper. Macrovision was quickly introduced, ****ing up VHS copies of movies the world over.

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If you have to blame anyone its the content PRODUCERs for the platform, not the platform itself.

The platform aids and abets abusive producers.

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Note this is a separate issue from whether DRM works or is counterproductive and pisses off users. Remember that DRM COSTS money to implement and maintain, and if content producers can MAKE MORE money without DRM (i.e. DRM costs more to implement then it brings in), well why would they keep DRM ? its an extra drain on profits.

Because they want their little fantasy world. And Apple's DRM is just strong enough to keep people bottled up but not enough to stop people from Jailbreaking, which fools people into thinking there's nothing wrong with it.

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Companies are out to MAKE MONEY, any other consideration is irrelevant, I find discussions of "princples" or assertions of meglomaniac CEOs hilarious.

Megalomania and sociopathy are often defining traits of CEOs. Principles and something resembling morals (or at least empathy) are important, less you end up acting like the ****ers who ran Enron.

Care to attack me more for criticizing DRM and those who support it?

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 719358)

Freedom to hack. If you had to ask, there is no answer that will satisfy you, because you're not a hacker.

If Maemo is not right for you, and you are no longer using it, why waste your time posting here?

Unless you are proficient in C/C++ and are compiling from source writing apps then well done, if on the other hand you are only pissing around in terminal editing scripts then your l33t hacking skills = fail

which one are you ?

If it was a stable platform then yes, but i cba faffing about just to get basic things to work, on my linux desktop/notebook yes, but not my phone.

PS where is the freedom in Nokias closed binaries ????

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does

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Originally Posted by garyc2010 (Post 719424)

Are you suggesting that having the freedom, but not using it, is stupid and instead he should opt for no freedom at all?

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PS where is the freedom in Nokias closed binaries ????

If you hadn't noticed, that's a huge bone of contention with the people in this community.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does

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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 719431)

Are you suggesting that having the freedom, but not using it, is stupid and instead he should opt for no freedom at all?

If you hadn't noticed, that's a huge bone of contention with the people in this community.

this word freedom gets banded about alot here......

So can we get this straight the n900 is NOT a fully open source phone ???, and thus where is the real freedom ????