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garyc2010 2010-06-17 19:28
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by andraeseus1 (Post 719563)
sand paper balls LOL thats hilarious. help me uderstand. is it the lack of multi touch that makes gives it the sand paper sensation? and if so, please explain. i thought multi touch for internet was basically just pinch to zoom type stuff. is the absence of pinch to zoom really that serious?
Its kinda hard to explain unless you have really used both side by side tbh, I have both and I can navigate and read web pages *much* faster on the iphone, it is just so much more "fluid" tbh. I find I had to use the stylus with the n900 wich for me made it more cumbersome. I suppose if i had to put in words i would say the input mechanisms on the 3gs are more refined and fluid to use like one quick swipe and youve zoomed in, i found with the n900 i was "swirling" for what seemed like ages, and moving the page around was jerky and not always in sync with the input.. But tbh use both side by side and you ll get my drift. But the n900 physical keyboard is one think I do miss on the 3gs. The n900 is top notch hardware let down by its os.

gerbick 2010-06-17 19:30
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 716829)
People actually use Flash on the Internet stupid! Alright Flash is important despite what grand master Steve Jobs said. As of the latest version of Flash I have no problems with it. Flash isn't that bad
and people have created very cool stuff with.
Imagine calling an Adobe Flash/Flex dev stupid of what Flash means on the Internet. The irony does not escape me :rolleyes:

Now, let's revisit what I said. I said that half of this board seems to dislike Flash. That's somewhat of a hyperbole, but a lot of folks seem to be happy without Flash as people are. And yet, it's somehow a bulletpoint since... well, let's be honest. Since the iPhone doesn't support it, now people are willing to point go their soon to be left behind N900 that can do Flash. As it stands, if that makes folks feel better, so be it.

Regardless... next time you decide to quote somebody, I truly hope that you take the time to read the entire message for full comprehension and not just the bit that you decided to have some knee jerk reaction to and display your verbal diarrhea abilities.

railroadmaster 2010-06-17 19:52
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 719669)
Also the feeling of scrolling and pinching makes you feel like you are interacting with the screen in a more personal way. Typing on the iphone is supposed to be faster than 90% of hardware keyboards on mobiles.

I would personally prefer to trade a keyboard, resistive screen and inking ability on the iphone though.
I could never understand the pinching thing it feels kinda gimmicky but thats my opinion. As for the iPhone's keyboard I would say it is pretty good onscreen keyboard but I type much faster on a physical keyboard I would know from experience. The best touch typing experience is on the HTC hd2 not the iPhone from my usage anyways it because of the large HTC hd2 touchscreen. Also the best touch keyboard would be the HTC keyboard from htc sense.

railroadmaster 2010-06-17 19:55
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 719684)
Imagine calling an Adobe Flash/Flex dev stupid of what Flash means on the Internet. The irony does not escape me :rolleyes:

Now, let's revisit what I said. I said that half of this board seems to dislike Flash. That's somewhat of a hyperbole, but a lot of folks seem to be happy without Flash as people are. And yet, it's somehow a bulletpoint since... well, let's be honest. Since the iPhone doesn't support it, now people are willing to point go their soon to be left behind N900 that can do Flash. As it stands, if that makes folks feel better, so be it.

Regardless... next time you decide to quote somebody, I truly hope that you take the time to read the entire message for full comprehension and not just the bit that you decided to have some knee jerk reaction to and display your verbal diarrhea abilities.
I really don't understand what is so bad about flash. I have had a few bugs with it but mostly it works just fine. About your statement that says half of the people on this board hate flash is kinda stupid being about a large chunk of the posts that come in daily are complaints about how flash 10.1 isn't available on the Nokia n900. Flash whether it is good or bad is standard.

danramos 2010-06-17 20:00
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Not a standard.. it's a plugin.

railroadmaster 2010-06-17 20:02
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 719720)
Not a standard.. it's a plugin.
Well it is the most used web plugin of anything out there. Over 75% of video streaming websites use adobe Flash. So do the majority of the web's games, apps, and advertisements (unfortunately) use it also. In my opinion html5 maybe the future but Adobe flash is what we have now.

gerbick 2010-06-17 20:05
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 719717)
I really don't understand what is so bad about flash.
If you are asking me, it's part of my toolset in my career. I have absolutely nothing against Flash. You will have to ask those folks that seemingly do have a problem with it.

I am not one of those folks. This proves my point somewhat that you did not comprehend my prior statements.

Allow me to reiterate. I am a developer. I am a Flash/Flex developer. I have coded entire projects in AS3 for enterprise deployments on 5 different continents. I enjoy Flash, Flex, AS3, and whatever platform gets Flash Player 10.1, I will invariably purchase that.

I was hoping it was Maemo 5. Doesn't seem so now.

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I have had a few bugs with it but mostly it works just fine. About your statement that says half of the people on this board hate flash is kinda stupid being about a large chunk of the posts that come in daily are complaints about how flash 10.1 isn't available on the Nokia n900. Flash whether it is good or bad is standard.
Again. Target those folks that have problems with it.

I ain't one of them.

danramos 2010-06-17 20:10
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 719722)
Well it is the most used web plugin of anything out there. Over 75% of video streaming websites use adobe Flash. So do the majority of the web's games, apps, and advertisements (unfortunately) use it also. In my opinion html5 maybe the future but Adobe flash is what we have now.
That still doesn't make it a standard. I'm pretty certain Netscape Navigator would have qualified as a 'standard' in 1995, by your definition, but I'm much more certain that HTML was still the standard while Navigator was just an application.

Don't confuse a commonly used application or plugin for a standard.

railroadmaster 2010-06-17 20:11
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 719730)
That still doesn't make it a standard. I'm pretty certain Netscape Navigator would have qualified as a 'standard' in 1995, by your definition, but I'm much more certain that HTML was still the standard while Navigator was just an application.

Don't confuse a commonly used application or plugin for a standard.
Well thank you for correcting me. Still Flash is used a lot and there no reason not include it. Seems like everything Steve Jobs spews out of his mouth is crap. Apple just wants to make money from the h.264 codec because they refuse to support theora or webm.

gerbick 2010-06-17 20:14
Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 
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Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 719731)
Well thank you for correcting me. Still Flash is used a lot and there no reason not include it.
I have to reiterate what Danramos is stating... Flash is not a standard. It is only one of the better methods for streaming video that came out on top of Real Video and even Quicktime in terms of flexibility and whatnot.

But Flash is much more than video. To concentrate on just that one aspect is cheapening what a tool Flash can be.

And people who don't include it, have their reasons. I might not agree with those reasons, but it makes sense to them.


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