Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Yes, except for contacts (since that would be needlessly huge.) Support for Exchange 2003 was added in PR1.1.

I should mention the caveat that if your Exchange server requires provisioning (remote wipe, etc.) then it won't work. But then, it won't work on Android either without buying a 3rd party application.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

dude you making yourself look like a joke. Even u said u are not a apple fanboy u sound exactly like one because no matter what we say u still say iphone the best its call bias



First the solution to the problem listed only ppl like you know and jailbreak void your iphone warranty. N900 how u hack it no one said it will void what warranty.

How many iphone users actually jailbreak their phone?


Lastly how can u compare with something u do not own
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...772#post686772

You make me laugh hardly. You are the joke of the day apple fanboy.

We know u are try to make yourself "sound" or "look" intelligent but how can you compare with something u do not own? I owned an iphone and also a nokia n900 so u are making me laughing like hell. I think you can get rich by performing on stage becoming a comedian haha

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Seriously... what?!

Did you read what you quoted?

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

It's official. The inmates run this asylum.

Meh. I have a N900 right here, in my hands. Guess what, I can make intelligent comparisons. I also have a N810 and a 770. So I can make a past user experience comparison too. Can you?

So. Who's gonna be the next just recently signed up troll that's hiding behind a second username just to flame and selectively quote people badly and post some rank ignorance?

Yay. Today is just like... yesterday. And the day before that. Yawn. Even the insults are recycled.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Please stop trolling and stop feeding trolls! Reporting this and that and doing the same is just stupid. Got better stuff to do than stopping people from pulling knifes if you mind! Threads with a proper comparison are useful but...

[edit] just had a look at previous pages and this was just flamewar trolling and so on.
What is up with you? Can't grownups have proper conversations or discussions these days? Restored the last three posts as it made no difference to me... could delete half the posts of this thread or none... I go for none. Get back on topic please.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Yes, it is, but why not... Not like the rest of this is going anywhere. :) And one more off-topic post wont kill anyone.

The Neo (1973 and FreeRunner) was a proto-device produced by FIC, and had software written for it by OpenMoko (think Nokia/Maemo with a much smaller budget). The 1973 was a step 1 of 2 device, where developers were explicitly told to not expect it to be a usable daily phone. More that it would be the work platform and setup for the FreeRunner, which would be a "production quality" phone. The FR launch happened about 2 years after the 1973 launch, which was by design, to give them time to build up a "mature" software platform.

The real problem with it was that the OM software team kept abandoning their base to use the new glittery thing. Each time re-inventing the base and/or UI, never really finishing anything. As a fine example, they had the OM base to about 85% functionality (consider the N900 with PR1.0 at >98%) when they started selling/shipping the FreeRunner. The promise was that it was just months away from being totally stable, FR owners could expect a 100% working device within a year. They also noted that it ran better on the FR since there were hardware changes between the 1973 and the FR, which some "early release" people validated.

Two weeks later, after the first batch of devices arrived and people started playing with it (and found, no, it wasn't that stable), OM scrapped the whole common base, and started working on a totally separate base and UI dubbed "FSO". FSO never got close to working as reliably as the original OM base software, and was not compatible with the 1973 at all. Four months after shipping the first FR devices, they altered their wiki to indicate that the FR was not expected to reach 100% usability, and that the "next device" (step 3 of 2!) would be the one to hit 100%. That device never made it out of the cad stage, not even a single prototype was fabricated.

The whole project went belly up when OM ran low on cash and slashed about 3/4 of their work force a year after the FR launch. OM then focused what little resources they had left on a new offline wikipedia device, which has since flopped (hard). They claim they're going to make another batch and have shipping available starting July 4th, but I'm betting the site will go dark on/after that date.

The FR was all open source (minus the GSM/BT firmware), but the specs for the hardware were cryptic, and in some cases unobtainable despite "choosing developer friendly hardware with open documentation". The base code was only semi-functional as written, but did what it could to manage the hardware. In the end, it couldn't reliably maintain a GSM signal, calls, or network connections, and bluetooth never worked for anything but data push.

About a month before OM went under "gifted" the code based to the development community, Koolu started an Android port for the FR. Koolu is gone now, but another group has taken up that code base and run with it. They almost have it working as a basic phone, but it still lacks bluetooth audio capabilities. (Works nice for mice/keyboards/data though.) There are also ports of Debian, and a few other OS offshoots from the various bases from OM. TrollTech also was involved and made a quasi-open-source QT-based OS for it. (Which is quite reminiscent of the N900 UI.)

Hardware wise, it runs an ARM5 processor (400Mhz?), but has very similar specs to the N900 otherwise (including a high-res screen and resistive touch). It does lack cameras, but uses a standard third part battery (the Nokia BL-4C from the 6000 series), and has wifi, bluetooth, uSD card, etc.

If anyone is interested in a nice portable linux-based PDA device that's not an N900, let me know. I've not used the Neo much since I got my N900, and can't see it being used for much at this point beyond a project device. I used it as a GPS for a while, since that part worked quite well, but now that the N900 is stable at doing that I don't really need it for anything.

Yes, there are at least two Android off-shoots. They're nice, but the only active group is still trying to stabilize 1.6 on it, as port attempts of the 2.x code base have failed. I'm still on a mailing list or two about it... but it seems to have died off, since the N900 pulled a lot of people away from it, being that the N900 is a working, stable device that can :eek: reliably be used as a day-to-day phone.

On a further side track:

This may also explain my "rose-colored-glasses", in that I'm not comparing the N900 to some theoretical ideal device that was hyped about and inflated with gossip from an Engadget forum or such. I'm comparing it to what it said it would be, and comparing it to how it could have failed. Overall, I'm beyond happy with how well the N900 is doing. Though that may be in part because of what I compare it too. :)

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Actually, no. That's the way monopolization works. The way a free-market BUSINESS works, simply put, is that when you make a product people want or need, they will purchase it.

If what you make has an element of progress or creativity involved, people will often purchase it to also promote advancements from the producer. (Ie: think R&D, art, movies, music, etc.). Crippling it to make it a negative experience and preventing distribution FORCES people to pay for it but when someone provides a competitive product with similar quality, people will gravitate toward the less restrictive product. (Compare, headaches with DRM-laden AAC versus MP3 and DRM-free AAC, for example. Once Amazon got all the big labels into the mp3 game, they learned to have more confidence in their product and less litigious about mp3 copying).

In the hardware arena, Apple still hasn't learned this and Google seems conflicted due to the hardware chipset manufacturers--but at least Google is trying to teach them some OS religion. Nokia TALKED it, even tried to walk it some but in the most CRITICAL steps, they kept faltering in their walk.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Businesses want to make money first. They only cater to customer needs because it will make them money. Nobody starts a business looking to cater to customer needs...might as well be a non profit org?

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

When a company is in a position where they start ignoring the needs of the customer, they are:

• A monopoly, where they will still profit no matter how hard they screw their customers over.
• On their way out, as they've lost track and will start losing customers.
• Part of an informal cartel, where they silently cooperate to ensure their customers have nowhere to go, while still claiming "they have choice!"

I think this list handily describes a number of industries, companies, and their behaviors.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

This proves my point.

On paper, businesses have such utopian principles but in reality, nobody sticks with it