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Matan 2010-06-20 17:36
Re: Maemo Missteps, your thoughts?
 
You have got to be kidding me.

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 721206)
Also because developers will move to MeeGo at some point, but there are good chances that their MeeGo apps can be compiled and packaged easily for Maemo 5.
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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 722783)
About MeeGo-Harmattan apps being compiled for Maemo 5: you say it's easy but based on which facts?

smoku 2010-06-20 17:44
Re: Maemo Missteps, your thoughts?
 
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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 722783)
I know this MeeGo team is working on something for N900 users. Wait for the MeeGo Handset UX to be published and you will see - and try if you wish.
I've been trying to build MeeGo image for N900 the whole day, with continuos help form Stskeeps on #meego-arm@freenode, with no luck so far.
- MIC is heavily borked
- packages of the codedrop were moved away and are not available anymore
- there exists open and closed image, and closed image essential packeges are missing
- packages for the open image are there, but MIC fails to build the image (glibc detects a programming error and crashes)

I have TONS of patience and good will. Someone else would give up several hours ago.

qgil 2010-06-20 17:50
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Originally Posted by Matan (Post 722793)
You have got to be kidding me.
Fair enough. You were mentioning the case of Ovi Maps, which is a lot more complex app than the average and is somehow a case on its own.

Let's go into details if you wish once Ovi Maps for MeeGo-Harmattan has been released. Same for the rest of MeeGo-Harmattan apps shipped by Nokia (like the Phone app you mentioned).

attila77 2010-06-20 17:52
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 722653)
It's a land rush - suggest ways to include ordinary users that takes into account they might come from MeeGo-deriatives like Nokia MeeGo.
Hey hey hey. How did we get from the organic community at maemo.org to a place where the suggestions (by none less than a community manager) are to exclude 'plain' users offering them only scraps in the form of "if you do boring work like wiki edits and bug reports, you will have merit and then we'll consider you as a community member". What bug reports, what wiki ? You just sent those people off to a vendor forum ghetto, why would they come back ? How would a non-tech person know whether it's dealing with a vendor bug or a MeeGo bug anyway ? But I'm putting words in other people's mouth by now, so I'll stop my ranting :) Anyhow, that thread on meego.com sounded an awful lot like elitism to me, and having to move head-on to community managers to make this point is discouraging.

Matan 2010-06-20 18:01
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So for the last half a year, including in this thread, you give us over and over again this marketing speech about MeeGO and QT being good for N900 users, since MeeGo applications will be available for N900. But every application that you actually have any knowledge or control about is not really going to run on N900? Why should we expect that other developer's will not follow Nokia's example in ignoring N900 for their MeeGo applications?

Maybe tone down the marketing a bit?

mrojas 2010-06-20 18:02
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All the complaints, as justified they might be, are in vain unless there is action on part of Nokia to adress them.

I don't think that action will happen. I don't see them acting on our feedback.

I have gotten used to that idea, and consider Nokia for what they do: provide devices more open than their competitors and that's it.

It's kinda sad, to be honest.

YoDude 2010-06-20 18:39
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Originally Posted by mrojas (Post 722819)
All the complaints, as justified they might be, are in vain...

...I have gotten used to that idea, and consider Nokia for what they do: provide devices more open than their competitors and that's it.

It's kinda sad, to be honest.
That's what I'm sayin' or to paraphrase the great American orator, Popeye:

"They is what they is and that's all that they is." :p

So energy spent ruminating over the "Hows, Whys, and Wherefores" of past (perceived or real) behavior may not be well spent.

In the end, maintaining "foundations" and "cores" may not be relevant to a developer of community apps who I assume, would be more motivated by how many in the community use his/her app. Therefore they will always adapt their methods in order to maximize that reach.

Texrat 2010-06-20 19:14
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Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 722842)
So energy spent ruminating over the "Hows, Whys, and Wherefores" of past (perceived or real) behavior may not be well spent.
As long as someone like Quim takes the time to engage on this, and some forward (if slow) progress is made on any issue(s), the time is certainly well-spent.

imperiallight 2010-06-20 19:32
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and some forward (if slow) progress
We will see if this long suffering and faithful community counts for something to them.

If not, I hope Apple (who are very user feedback and experience focussed) pi55es's all over them.

EIPI 2010-06-20 19:49
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 722575)
In maemo.org the community consisted of both Nokia employees/subcontractors and everyone else (while the control of the 'product' was in the hands of Nokia, causing a vendor-user relationship).

In MeeGo, community is everyone with a 'commit bit' or role for the 'product' + everybody else who is contributing to the product + the users of the product. Even opinion and discussion is contribution to the project.

'Everybody else' can turn into having a commit bit or role if their merit warrants it.

Hence, MeeGo is more of a committer-contributor-user community.

EDIT: Important note though: It isn't all about code. Even helping the ecosystem around committers/contributors and managing this would be contribution. Kind of like HR or personell organisations. There is a fair more organisation in the 'MeeGo' community, including managers etc - see it as a virtual company where you're part of the work to bring out the product.
This differences between the two is just hitting me. MeeGo lowers average users by one rung. Many may start to feel like they lost the direct connection back to the vendor. User experience must then be so high to offset this loss. Can MeeGo deliver? If not, other options may start to appeal.


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