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Are you kidding me. If that's what everyone is expecting the N900 to potentially run... talk about LAG CITY. There's no way the N900 would have the horsepower to run that smoothly. With Maemo 5 - 1.2 on it now, it's laggy with even one or two apps open and if the trackerd process decides it wants to have some of its own fun. Play a video...first 10-15 seconds is a wash... No way that interface and Meego would be any better on the N900.

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I wont expect too much since its a pre alphaa version but still I'm curious

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The URL contained a malformed video ID.

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I can´t wait for MeeGo ... I want to try it :)

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I just hope the frame rate and the usability is better than maemo. maemo is just too damn choppy and laggy and sometimes unresponsive!

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If tomorrow will be released, will its installation procedure be the same with the one done with Nitdroid?

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Just to join in on a debate from a few pages ago, that is definitely google maps not earth. Google Earth is on line 4 of the apps, Google Maps is on line 5.

Hopefully a port in the making!!

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You shouldn't be expecting a fully-polished system immediately, so don't be disappointed if if isn't smooth to start with.

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So if tomorrow is day one of the handset UX does that make today day zero? :p

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You shouldn't expect a "system" in the first place. Did anyone say this would be something for actual end users?

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Depends what you mean by "actual end users". I don't think 99% of Maemo users should install this, but it should be a bit more of a "system" than the code drop previously, which just had a terminal. This one should have a desktop and an application launcher etc.

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thats a pre-meego ui worked on by intel, not nokia. As such, i am unsure how relevant it is to nokia made handset ui for meego.

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As long as we have the basics it give everyone (if you know what you are doing) a chance to try it out and see what needs done. Then start coding stuff.

Is this the release where everything is supposed to be open to other developers or will that be the release in October (v1.1)?

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I thought N900 was being used as a development platform... does this not mean that it will be developed and tested using our hardware configuration?

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Problem in Maemo 5 is not the n900 hardware, it is due to bad optimization, poor threading programming and lack of vsync.

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What is being released this june is not nokia's interface. I think that's what people need to understand. It's the base handset experience interface.

It will look like whats in that video..

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this is what is being released and difference between nokia meego based UX and the one released tomorrow by the MeeGo project

http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=2818&postcount=7

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Thanks for posting that.. I was going to respond with it as well.

That tells me the actual interface will be the same from what is released tomorrow and what Nokia will release when it's stable. The only difference is going to be in pre-loaded applications and Nokia's specific closed-source stuff.

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the former i can figure, but what is the basis for the latter?

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This probably just more of a personal nit-pick of mine, but I (think) I would rather install "the base handset experience" instead of the Nokia (or any other vendor customization) branded one. Mainly because I don't like the "branding" as it usually doesn't add any real value over the stock system.

That isn't to say that I don't understand the need/desire for a branded system, but it really ticks me off when there is a base [open] system (ex. Android) and several companies all create their separate forks of their "customization layer". You end up saying I like this feature of one system and another feature of a different system but there is no way to have them both installed together, so consumer/end-users have to make sacrifices/decisions instead of just getting the best overall experience.

So I *hope* that there aren't going to be awesome Nokia-only or Intel-only features, but that the best features from *all* parties in the MeeGo ecosystem are shared and easily ported across all of the different "experiences."

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+1. Meego should be like Fedora... clean. Don't put a bunch of crap on the base install to "make it your own", Nokia. Deliver a solid OS with lots of available add ons and the rest will take care of itself.

Its time for Nokia to start shipping software. I can't wait to see this.

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that would kill any prospect of any vendor picking up MeeGo and using it, they need to differentiate from each other and same time make money from there specific services otherwise it would all be pointless even for nokia.
by all means use vanilla version of MeeGo but personally i would rather have free sat nav, social networks and stores on my device after all we are paying for it with handset cost

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Generally, I think you are right.
But there are always exceptions.
HTC Sense UI.

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Those apps should be in the base system. Nothing about them is Nokia centric. Just like you can run Open Office on any Linux distro... Fedora, SUSE, etc.

Android apps run on HTC and Motorola hardware equally well, or nearly so, depending on the UI.

BTW: if people expect Meego to be competitive, someone needs to get a non connected routing navigation app ie Navit working well.

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I'm confused.. From Qgils post it sounded like Harmattan will have a different look and feel from the reference Meego handset interface.

Is that not the case?

There were UI screenshots on bugzilla (before they took them down) and it looked like what was shown in the video I posted. Most of, if not all, of Meego's UI is based off Moblin. Just as in the Netbook interface, which looks almost exactly like Moblin 2.x, the reference Handset UI will be built from Moblin 2.2 Handset UI.

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Haven't been following Android as closely lately. But if HTC Sense UI isn't available on non-HTC phones, then you've pretty much proven my point.

If you end up only buying HTC phones because of Sense UI, then HTC becomes the "only game in town" and consumers end up loosing as there are no real competitors. [Yes, I see/understand the desire for HTC to want that]

In the case of MeeGo, (if) the proposition is to create a base operating system that can span multiple devices that gives you great functionality out of the box that hardware and software vendors can easily adapt to their needs. In the grand scheme of things, if it ends up only being a few power players calling all of the shots and keeping the best parts for themselves (ie the "Intel/Nokia experience") then why would any other parties invest their time/effort into MeeGo since they will start off with a huge disadvantage.

So my real point is that if these "vendor customizations/brandings" end up defining what MeeGo is/isn't then (to me) the entire point of MeeGo is (somewhat) lost since it won't be a platform used by multiple hardware vendors, it will just be a platform developed by the major players, but developed in isolation.

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Like I said, I can't wait to see what ships.

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Qgil said:
To me that sounds like the main visible difference will be in the applications rather than the overall UI. Of course, Nokia might supply their own themes for the UI, but the general way it works sounds like it will be the same in the MeeGo project release and the Nokia release.

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From following the enhancements and bugs from Meego.com it seems like they are trying to get everything into the base OS. I think the only difference you'll see from vendors are applications that ship with a particular device (i.e. Nokia may ship with free satnav) and look and feel. I don't think you'll be missing base functionality if you decide to go with one vendor or another.

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To add to what Pelago said... to clarify how I read qgil:

MeeGo Trouch Framework == Actual UI (User Interface) for device

Reference Applications == Default Apps maintained/made by MeeGo dev's

Nokia Set of Applications == Nokia specific Applications maintained/made by Nokia.

The UI + Apps == UX (User Experience)

So Harmattan will have a (slightly) different "UX", but the same "UI"..

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one thing came to mind, didnt nokia during maemo consider the closed source software like the brower ui and the media player their way to make nokia maemo different from some potential other maemo?

heck, will we be seeing multiple branded devices where various bundled programs are different from whats found on other meego devices, and with the same problems we are seeing relations to long term maintenance?

if that will be the case i think i say thanks but no thanks.

ah, i see fatalsaint touched on that. Given that, color me worried as i already hold one device with a nokia logo on it that i would love seeing properly maintained rather then replaced in this consumerist rat race of ours.

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I imagine the main thing you'd be missing out on is Ovi Store and all the DRMd stuff. Plus possibly some proprietary Nokia applications like Maps. But we'll see how it is when Harmattan is released.

Ovi Store I can pretty much live without, generally Extras has better software anyway :p

Added: Flash would also be a big thing you'd probably miss. But we'll see how the stock MeeGo Handheld UX looks like when the N900 port is done, as I guess "unsupported" means having only the open source parts.

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MeeGo Touch is the ui library (add-on over plain Qt). The "user interface" consists of lots of stuff in addition to that, including app launcher, homescreen, system status bars etc.

If you need to develop applications, you need the UI library. You probably won't need the homescreen or app launcher. Don't count on all of this being made available.

If you asked me, you don't need to wait for this release to develop applications. You can already develop meegotouch applications for your current N900, without flashing it. You could also distribute those apps to current "mainstream" n900 users.

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So by your definition all we'll see tomorrow is modified QT libraries?

... That would suck. Bad.

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Well, you'll also have the set of reference applications, basing on Quim's post to meego.com.

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No, there will be reference applications I believe. Plus the actual desktop/everything else packaged up nicely and working I'd guess.

As for the MeeGo Touch library, I'd personally avoid it - more information/some discussion at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=524

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Right, and I've seen that thread and I plan to avoid the M*.. but I was also under the impression we would see a desktop and an interface beyond just a few apps you launch from xterm as a "k, this is what the library looks like".

So I'm getting a bit of mixed signals here...

All we're really seeing tomorrow is a generic, non-descript desktop made for the sole purpose of showing the M* QT library which will be used in Nokia's Harmattan.. but the actual interface itself is nothing important?

Or does the interface we see tomorrow (if we see one? more confused..) included as part of the framework and we think Nokia will use that as well?

I had thought the MeeGo touch Framework would have included some basic things such as a desktop, launcher, basic user input, etc.. I was evidently incorrect in that.

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While I don't have any firm idea, I'm pretty sure there *will* be interface stuff. The netbook release didn't just include a bunch of applications and say "here, go run them", for example.

From what has been said in the past, this is a reference only. Vendors (including Nokia) are free to ignore that to any extent they want, provided they keep API/ABI compatibility in the underlying libraries.

From having looked at it, it does. (mcompositor, etc) - though of course, whether this is what will be demonstrated tomororw is anyone's guess.

I'm just going to stop bothering and speculating until tomorrow to be honest. It's too late to change anything, and too early to get worked up over it. If it turns out to be a flop, then I'll be the first lining up to point out how ridiculous it is. :)