Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Guys, don't be such tight wads..

There's nothing wrong with a little Chuck Norris..

BUt if we MUST stay on topic:
The git repo's have the handset base apps. Theoretically you should be able to compile using the Nokia QT SDK.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Remember the terrible wait for pr 1.2?

Remember the wait for updated OVI store?, it took ages before less than 5 apps are up in that site.

Chuck Norris says it will not be released today unless we reached 6000 posts in this thread just today.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

If you think the thread has nothing more to offer you, why don't you just no longer read it?

From a user standpoint there is no difference between a closed thread and a thread you don't click on.

I guess the 2 possible issues are either the few KB it takes up on the servers database for additional useless posts, or you could argue that when you click 'new posts' it is still there and frustrating to ignore, but if either of those 2 issues are bothering you, perhaps your life needs spicing up, or something to create meaning beyond the forums... may i suggest you get a puppy?

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Please do not spam the forums... It's NEVER welcome. Anywhere.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

being honest, those shitty offtopic-threads make life of developers really hard.

these are always in the way of really important stuff.

it is frustrating to dig your own thread from the abyss only to get it bumped with latest information etc that could be pretty essential to someone.

e: and it is million times harder to follow anything new and important when these 6000-completely-offtopic-posts-bump-once-in-10-seconds threads are in the way.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

I would love it if they released MeeGo Touch intergration for the Nokia SDK released last week.. just getting my head round it.

My Qt skills are very basic.. would love a little Qt 4.6 or Nokia SDK for dummies book give me that little bit of guidence..

Back to topic

200 refreshes since 9am UK time in counting

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Make sure you read: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=524

Long story short: don't use MeeGo Touch unless you really need something it provides. Regular Qt *should* work just fine hopefully, and has the benefit of running on everything. (It also has additional benefits like being a lot more tried, tested, and stable - as well as API/ABI guarantees, etc.)

I'm working on setting up a support network for developers.

Search TMO (or the MeeGo forums) for 'meego developer engagement' and keep an eye on it.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

this thread is offtopic straight from the start, i think it would be handy to create a specific one when meego handset ux released to actually discuss it.
Right now it's nothing more than a place where people chat while waiting for release,IMHO.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

ossipena: I agree, and I try to keep most of my posts relevant to the topics, I'm not perfect and I'm not saying I am but if I can I will contribute usefully to a topic.

This topic is however "Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June "

There are 25 pages of posts to that topic...

realistically the only valid response to the above statement is:

"Yes, Sources do indicate it is almost out, We will see if you are correct before 23:59 on the 30th of June..." but there are still 254 replies...

And what useful information are people trying to get from this thread? it will either be out in a few hours or wont... and I'm sure if it is, the 50 other duplicate threads that pop up will indicate it happened anyhow
there is no developer trying to get useful bug fix information in which case I can understand the need to get feedback without going through pages and pages of crap...
Just saying if this thread goes slightly off topic after 25 pages, I don't see it as an emergency that needs to be closed ASAP before it goes 'wild' as Johnel implied

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Have you read the thread? There were people asking a lot of useful questions about what to expect, what the release actually was, etc.

It wasn't as vapid as the title might lead you to believe.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

There is one thing I asked my self: WHY the hell, did some developer claim, that there will be a meego release on June 30th, altough they won't release anything today? :confused:
Are they just making fun of us, trying to fool us, or what?
I don't see any sense in there, talking about a release, when there is no release, at least not today.

Like the PR1.2 Release, or the OVI Store. Back then they told us a release date and couldn't even meet the deadline!

In addition, what's about the promised game: "Jurassic 3D Rollercoaster"? Can't see anything like that in ovi store, altough Nokia promised to put it in, with the PR1.2 update!

I really feel disappointed by Nokia, when there won't be MeeGo-Release TODAY as promised.

In fact I don't have any hope that there will be a MeeGo Release today..

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Because that is the day when they intend to release. Today is not yet over, too.

Reading the rest of your reply, I can't help but think that I should emphasise that this release is for developers.

That is, it is will almost certainly not be ready for end users at this stage.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Before you get on your high horse, remember 'time zones'

It is still only 4:00am in Los Angeles on the 30th of June.. so if by chance whoever was coordinating the release was based in LA, it would be still 5 hours before business even opened, and as long as they release it in 20 hours from now they could still keep the promise of releasing it on the 30th of June..

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

I have. Still making guesses about something that wasn't even released is kinda pointless,imho

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

There's an IRC meeting at 19:00 UTC. They might release it after that.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Not all of it was guesses. There have been various bits of information given out about it from the people working on it, and additional bits of information from the overly curious people like myself who have dug into MTouch and other bits and pieces who can make educated guesses about what is coming.

You're right in that it isn't as good as discussing an actual release, but it is natural and human that people will be curious. ;)

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

I really hope not. That would turn the meeting into an absolute nightmare. :(

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Actually I have a reta5ded dog and two cats that think they own the place.

I got my dog and 2 cats together in front on the computer monitor and asked them what they thought..

Reta5ded dog: "you know this is very similar to the massive PR1.2 thread that was active a few months ago. While I was chewing my bone I realised this is a common problem in this forum.
Many threads start of with good intentions and contain many useful posts. Eventually they start to degenerate into a collection of stupid comments that offer no meaningful value to the discussion and then when you try to search for something you have to wade through these comments and eventually you just give up..."

Cat 1: "Yeah I know what you mean! I want to install MeeGo on my n900 and searched this forum. It's really hard trying to find stuff sometimes"

Cat 2: "How many ways can you say the meego UX is not out yet. It's obvious its delayed. Isn't is better for it to be delayed for a little while and make sure it is in a basic usable state rather than release something sub-standard?"

Cat 1: "If anyone is serious about meego why don't you visit the meego website? It has a lot of information about meego on the n900. For example one of the blockers with the project is that the battery management software was crashing the device - I think it was doing this when it was charging I can't remember"

Reta5ded dog: "lwa completely missed the point of the original comment and rambled on about taking up space in databases and getting a puppy. I'm really offended by the last bit I'm a happy dog and my owner treats me well - the last thing I want is to compete with a puppy for my owner's attention. He also spends a lot of time with his family and does many other things beyond this forum."

Cat 1: "lwa must be human because no cat or dog would reply with something so stupid."

Reta5ded dog: "I hope my owner does not post our conversation on this thread because he will just add to the problem - but what do I know I'm reta5ded."

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

30th July???:D
Did I sleep through an entire month???

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

We have the same disappointment bro!

same .... Exact disappointment.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

What time did the last version come out?
It's just 6:25 am here.
Get a grip. Go get some ***** or something

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Obviously your reta5ded dog and myself have different opinions of forums.. I try and treat them like a conversation... if you put people in a room and give them a topic to talk about, it will initially be very formal and to the topic, as the conversation continues it might occasionally go off on a tangent as peoples responses become more and more familiar, that doesn't mean we need someone to jump in and stop all people talking, as long as the conversation isn't making it hard for a developer, being abusive or hurting the community at large, its natural to have an organic flow to conversations as they gravitate around a topic, and therefor I don't see why its an issue an a conversational community forum.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

While I agree with your sentiments, please, make an effort to keep it polite. The atmosphere stays a lot nicer.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

My apologies

It is just irritating to see the whole "sky is falling" attitude

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

While PR1.2 was clearly delayed, the only actual announcement Nokia ever made regarding a date was, "U.K. today, everywhere else tomorrow", which was accurate. As with the original N900 release date, where Nokia only said "November", various people online with no connection to Nokia made dates up out of whole cloth and complained when their hollowness was proven.

There's time yet for a release today, especially given the signs that the left coast of the United States is a (the?) key location for MeeGo. qgil is relocating there, after all.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

What is the big deal about the release date?

Why must it be today?

As far as I know the original intention was to release the UX last month but it slipped. Then it was "in June" and recently "30th June".

Of course none of this was formally announced and is still "rumours" !

The developers have said that the blocker was something to do with the battery management over at meego.com and maybe other stuff too.

If it is going to take a little longer than so be it. Why are people starting to get annoyed by this?

I'm excited about the meego project and desperately want to try it.
Yes, I am disappointed it is not out yet but as a developer I understand that these things often get delayed.

So we have to be patient and see what happens over possible the next few days.

Let's try and avoid the "gloom and doom" and ranting against Nokia and Meego.

We really do not want this thread to go the same way as "that" PR1.2 thread do we?

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

"rumors"? "none of this was formally announced"? Better look at this:
http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story...utm_source=rss

The director of MeeGo software at Nokia, Valtteri Halla, said, that it's going to be released on 30th June in that interview.

no questions asked, this is definitely an announcement. ;)

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Wow! I missed that!

I can't believe a Nokia Director actually communicated something committal like that!

What next? "Cats and dogs living together...."

Mind you I would rather wait a little longer if it means greater stability and a few less bugs.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

I still haven't figured out why exactly you think they won't release anything today?

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

I think the hardest thing ever ever is the actual user interface.
It needs to be really well thought out and see how it caters to the intended devices. And then see how it could be useful on another device.

For instance, most bloggers say how much better Android is over iphones user interface (navigation, widgets, wallpaper, notifications etc) but when that is amplified onto a 8" tablet it just looks bloated and ugly.

If Nokia could get A+ with the entire user interface, it wont matter if they get C- in everything else, and thats the ugly truth. Because all the rest could be improved but when you try to patch the user interface, you notice that it starts looking very ugly (Frankenstein) and not a fluid experience. Because when you have a universal experience with the interface (ie built from scratch) it makes THAT MUCH of an experience, which is why the iPhone was so appealing in a world of HTC windows mobile ugliness.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

The problem is that many people are interested in the subject matters discussed here, but don't have time for "filler" content. TMO is 95% full of redundant conversation because people are using it like a chatroom; the whole service was more valuable if idle chatter occured in offtopic forums, or there was a moderation system that made people a bit more "afraid" of disrupting threads with offtopic matters (-1, hijacking_the_thread).

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Do people actually expect there to be a serious developer orientated discussion forum with zero chit chat if Meego does become mainstream though?

As a general rule, the higher the popularity, the stupider the comments. Look at Youtube; one of the most visited sites on the web and its comments possibly act an archive for all of human stupidity..

I'm not saying chaos should reign... but the idea of the maemo/meego OS reaching a developed state where it can take on android/iphone or becoming 'step 5 of 5' (and hence the popularity that will come with it) while having the main community resource/forum devoid of all humanity and just people sharing facts directly related to topics is perhaps a fools dream...

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

The "USB Hosting" thread was really interesting read for me. A great thread by the developers was ruined because of the comments posted towards the end.
The result was the thread was closed and the discussions went into secret effectively robbing this forum of some great content.

So maybe exercise a little intelligence and common-sense when you (or anyone) post on any particular thread.

Some threads benefit from a "focused" discussion some don't. Use your judgement and try and post appropiately.

My reta5rded dog and cats beg to differ...

EDIT: To keep this vaguely on-topic is this the release that will be "proper" open-sourced? (e.g. Anyone can participate in the development because all source code for UX is available?)

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

This is the release of the handset UX for MeeGo, yes.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

people here have long patience .... no matter how many time Nokia failed them

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Alright, I'm up! Where do I get the Jesus OS?

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Its not yet released.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

We're waiting for the MeeGo project(not Nokia) to open development of the pre-alpha handset UX. It will be very raw and this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. You can kick and scream all you want but these are the realities that have been communicated before.

Re: Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June
 

Unless steps are taken the only thing that will happen is the developers, people pushing the NITs to do crazy things, and people sick of the noise will just go to IRC and post on this forum once in a blue moon. Imagine the signal to noise ratio then. o.O