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Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

but smoku, would like to see a physical keyboard there like n900

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Use bluetooth keyboard.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Not only it's not GTFO but maybe cordia could be the future of this community. And me too I believe that more comunication to the public would benefit the project.

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Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1073132)

SubCoreAs for future devices *if* this project succeed - there will be definitely one, even if Smoku would be not interested in doing so. If really, after this project being what we want it to, no one skilled enough would be interested in gathering 1000 people (remember, 2-3 years after first CordiaTAB, when we need more modern hardware), I would definitely do. For me, community designed hardware is final goal.

Of course it depends on many factors - some of them being voted in near future, as our "roadmap", some of them depending on how this project will turn out...

Just remember. CordiaHD isn't our "only hope". It's one of possible solutions, that seems quite neat for me. But, there is also MeegoCE, for example. Lets separate Operating System thing from hardware thing. We have now few interesting option as OS, but none hardware option. So, we need to create one ourself ;)

First step, by gathering 250 people and buying existing, yet fully compatible device seems all right to me. Nice "proveground" for things like how this project is maintained (communication included ;) ). Then, gaining experiences for this - cause I'm quite sure we will face some unexpected problems - we can try harder approach, with designing our own hardware. So, basically, lets start with easier and "smaller" - but still effective - approach, and then, after learning on it (and using it happily) lets try harder things.

That was inspiring ;)

By beast specifications I meant what Hardkernel did with the Odroid. Cutting edge (not bleeding edge) hardware at an affordable price. but then again they have connections with Samsung.

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Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1073673)

Before You propose any hardware for consideration, check if it's 100% compatible with our needs, i.e. got open drivers/modules etc... It would be pity to lack DSP acceleration, for example ;)

I'm not understanding your post here. I wasn't proposing to use the Smart Book for Cordia, but rather I want to get it and get Cordia working on it myself. Which is how other people have been doing with existing hardware/devices and want to use Meego on them, no?

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Originally Posted by canuckkat (Post 1074209)

I am willing to join you. I've just discover I can switch between AIOS, Ubuntu and Android in runtime, just like apps. ;)

That is simply super-cool.

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Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1074210)

I am willing to join you. I've just discover I can switch between AIOS, Ubuntu and Android in runtime, just like apps. ;)

That is simply super-cool.

That is super cool! I hope the build quality has gotten better since you got yours though. Fragile things do not live long in my hands lol

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Originally Posted by canuckkat (Post 1074213)

That is super cool! I hope the build quality has gotten better since you got yours though. Fragile things do not live long in my hands lol

Don't expect too much, I will take some photos and post it. I think it is safe you can not expect lesser quality than touchpad v1.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Here are some touchbook v1 pictures:

http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/...view=slideshow

The Mac on one of the pictures is Macbook 6,1

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

just thinking about triple booting meego, android and mer. cooool.......

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Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1074245)

Here are some touchbook v1 pictures:

http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/...view=slideshow

The Mac on one of the pictures is Macbook 6,1

Thanks for the photos!

Is it sad that I've seen worse on mainstream laptops? >.< V2 definitely looks more polished than V1.

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Originally Posted by canuckkat (Post 1074209)

So take my excuses, I've misunderstood You. If You, or particularly, anyone would manage to get Cordia/MeegoCE or any other real Meego core incarnation (open UI) on such things - without loosing any functionality of hardware parts - I'll be most happy penguin blessing you to no end ;)

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Originally Posted by jcharpak (Post 1072036)

Is there an online archive of the mailing list anywhere?

After some issues, we finally have it on Gmane: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.cordia.devel

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

... where (at least I) can't find archive of mails before yesterday stuff... Or, it's only me doing it wrong way?

Also, it's little pity, that You've totally ignored posts, that appeared since Your last visit here, some with propositions. I know, time, personal life etc, but 1-2 pages isn't that much.

Maybe it's only me again, but this is starting to look dim...

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

I don't think it can retroactively archive.

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Agreed. So, it's kinda useless for our current request - archive of mailing list.

I don't know why Smoku is so stubborn to use Jurassic era maillist instead of forum thread, but he promised us archive, so I hope he will stand up to his words :)

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

In the mailing list they're asking opinions about Cordia Tab "upgrade".
Looks like we can have 1Gb of RAM instead of 512Mb and
16 or 32Gb of MMC instead of 8Gb. The price would change obviously.

If someone is interested and don't want to subscribe the newsletter post here, then maybe I can report to the mailing if they accept me as reference.

I'm also considering adding a new "social channel" like Twitter, but will ask to the mailing list before any action.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

I prefer a MINI laptop and have not been much into tablets but i guess that's because i have messed around with IPad's and Android's and have been bored out of my a-s-s, but the tablet with Meego/Hildon Desktop i think will finally be useful for once and not just a polished turd!!!

And the possibility of 1GB Ram and 32GB EMMC is a VERY nice addon.

And smoku again, we all want to help and see this through, i REALLY love to be apart of making something, as stated before:
A Tablet by the people, for the people :)

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

As 1GB RAM was positively acclaimed in the mailing list - no matter how much price will rise (of course, in reasonable levels), that can't be said about 32GB of internal storage.

IMO, it depends on quality of such storage (random access time, continuous write/read speeds) and price difference.

If, by using SD slot, we can add later higher quality 32GB card for less price, internal storage 8GB -> 32GB is waste of money.

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IMO, the main problem with CordiaTAB is that no one, except Smoku, know what is needed to do, thus, cannot participate. As great this project may be, communication is managed *horribly*. For which, Smoku has quite a tradition - no offense ;)

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

ya, 1 gb ram will make a huge difference and 8 gb emmc is ok

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I asked in the mailing list if I can be the "spokesman" of this project.
I proposed to care about this forum and/or a Twitter channel.

Now I wait for a reply from Smoku because I don't want to bother anyone, just help this project to grow

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Hey, Smoku already answered that he got nothing against it. I hope You won't mind, if, in meantime, I'll post some important things from last few days?

Note: Quotation titles are my highlights of quotation subject. Questions *for* Smoku are commented out with < and written in bold. Smoku answers are plain text.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Some generic questions

> Do someone know the status for the hardware: how fare are we from the
> 250 hit?

There is currently 302 people interested in being notified as soon as
the preorder is available. So even optimistic assessment of 50% of
people subscribed will actually preorder, we are getting close.

> As far as I know about the software the Cordia Os is not ready yet but
> would Meego or Maemo work on Cordia Tab right now or would need some
> work too?

Would need hardware adaptation, but the Core software is already
running.

> Actually I don't know if I can find some spare time but if I want to
> actively help what positions are currently needed?

Coders are welcome as we need to adapt and rewrite a lot of Maemo stuff.

We also need a nice GTK+ and Hildon theme. Distinctive icon theme would
also be nice. So a good computer artist is also needed.

--
Smoku

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Originally Posted by Partitions

Firstly if you want to lookup the documents I'm reffering to, please
download imx-android-r10.1.tar.gz (IMX51_R10_ANDROID_SOURCE_CODE) from
Freescale site [1] and install it.

As doc/i.MX_Android_R10.1_User_Guide.html#3_2_1_Storage_P artitions
explains, we currently have boot space and 5 partitions on the device:
BOOT(10MB), MEDIA, SYSTEM, DATA, CACHE, RECOVERY.

The BOOT space contains U-Boot, kernel and initrd.

As I mentioned, I currently have initrd modified, to look at the
external SD Card file meego-*.img and if present boot from it.
This is temporary, for initial testing and development.

The included U-Boot allows two boot configuration. One standard and one
recovery. Standard configuration boots initrd. Recovery configuration
boots the recovery partition directly (skipping initrd) if you hold HOME
+MENU while booting.

I wonder your opinions on the desired partition layout, what to boot in
normal mode and what in recovery mode, what to use initrd for (or
whether to use it at all), etc.

Of course I have my own idea, but I withhold it for now, not to suggest
anything and encourage out of box thinking. :-)

[1] http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/...e=IMX51ANDROID

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD card

> The specs say that there is an SD card slot. assuming that it is SDHC
> then we can add 32GB easily (if it is SDXC then even better).

It's SDHC and 32GB card works fine. I use one for development.

> will we be able to boot from SD?

Surely. My current setup is internal initrd that looks for inserted SD
card, then checks for meego-*.img file there and if the file is present
it boots the image. If not it continues to boot the internal MMC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just to give You some highlights, why we have to use such not effective, counter-productive and time consuming way of communication between forum and mailing list ;)

> I may post on Maemo forum every time i have to report something from
> or to this mailing list, but I see you already care of that forum so
> maybe it's not needed.

I am very sporadic visitor to TMO now (mostly when notified by google
alert), so if you want to be posting there regularly, feel free to do
so. :-)

> I may also create a twitter channel.

I don't know what a twitter channel is. Could you describe in more
detail what do you want to do?

> Do you think this would be useful?

My opinion is that we don't need a lot of general publicity directed to
regular people yet. The OS is being built, the Tab is not ready for
consumption. This may create a lot of unmet expectancies.
I.e. I wouldn't like if some review site meant for generic consumer
reviewed the pre-alpha Tab or HD, not meant for real use, as a complete
crap (as it happens with N950 and pre-release Harmattan) now. That could
really hurt the project.

On the other hand, we need as much developers eyes and hands as
possible. I'm not a One Man Army (as much as I would like to be ;-) and
I care for all the comments and insights of people more clever and/or
experienced.

P.S. This is the reason I'm not a regular user of TMO any more, as the
vocal newbs flaming everyone and everything already scared away most of
the experienced people actually caring and doing stuff. I'm trying to
rebuild that culture here.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

As looks, Estel already posted important stuff. :)

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Smoku just posted some news I would consider interesting

1) He liked the idea of writing a guide to prepare a development platform and references to documentation in order for new developers to contribute.

2If you dare to hack by your own is possible to try Vanilla Meego on Dreambook W7 which is the model to develop. In order to accomplish this there is no step by step guide but the partitions note posted by Estel can be useful.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

And this is good to understand how should be kept up to date.

Quote:

On mar 30 ago 2011 19:49:44 CEST, Tomasz Sterna <tomek@xiaoka.com> wrote:

> Dnia 2011-08-30, wto o godzinie 16:17 +0200, Krzysztof Kuska pisze:
> > The MeeGo team is already starting to think about MeeGo 1.4. Having
> > this in the back of my heag I wonder if it will be easy to update to
> > core of the Coridia project and if it will always run with the latest
> > MeeGo?
>
> This was a tough question to answer and I finally decided to adopt OEM
> approach: Cordia will be always based on the latest stable released
> MeeGo Core.
> Basing on the often-unbuildable Trunk can be difficult.
>
> Actually, Cordia will soon be based on Mer (the second incarnation),
> that is a bare-bones, trimmed version of MeeGo Core.
>
>
> --
> Tomasz Sterna
> Instant Messaging Consultant : Open Source Developer
> http://tomasz.sterna.tv/* http://www.xiaoka.com/portfolio

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

This will give you the idea of the point we're.

It's acutally possible to hack Dreambook W7 by your own but is highly advisable to wait for a stable bootloader in order to reduce brick risk

Quote:

Dnia 2011-08-31, śro o godzinie 09:02 +0200, Piotr Jawidzyk pisze:
> Seriously though, why someone that can get Dreambook W7 must start
> from scratch, to contribute with something useful? Isn't it worth to
> start at current point - i.e. reproduce state of Your "hacked" device
> - base research @ work You've already done - and contribute further?
> Or it's just me, that misunderstood something (quite likely)?

I see no reason why anyone can't. This hardware is available on the
market. I will answer any question and share any code.

I just don't advocate this approach, as it's extremely easy to "brick"
the hardware to the point needing soldering iron intervention, to get
the serial port and/or JTAG out.

Having a stable bootloader and working recovery partition will make
working on the OS image easier. And we will have this in the pre-release
developer device.
But up to this point, you need to get your hands dirty and have at least
some knowledge in electronics. If you do, please speak up.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hardware hacking

> Seriously though, why someone that can get Dreambook W7 must start
> from scratch, to contribute with something useful? Isn't it worth to
> start at current point - i.e. reproduce state of Your "hacked" device
> - base research @ work You've already done - and contribute further?
> Or it's just me, that misunderstood something (quite likely)?

I see no reason why anyone can't. This hardware is available on the market. I will answer any question and share any code.

I just don't advocate this approach, as it's extremely easy to "brick"
the hardware to the point needing soldering iron intervention, to get the serial port and/or JTAG out.

Having a stable bootloader and working recovery partition will make working on the OS image easier. And we will have this in the pre-release developer device. But up to this point, you need to get your hands dirty and have at least some knowledge in electronics. If you do, please speak up.

I asked Smoku about documentation/tutorial on how to get to the current state - that would make contributing in hardware area much easier. Looking forward for his answer.

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Latest news:

Higher clocked CPU is also considered (1000 mhz over 800 mhz). There was a question, if it's the same type, overclocked "out of factory", or different one. Some (including me) think that in case of same type, it's no need for (more expensive) 1000 mhz, cause (probably) we can overclock it on our own.

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There is a list of closed-source apps and possible replacements for them in Cordia. List is open, and everyone can add missing program or propose something:

http://cordiahd.org/os/maemo5-apps

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smoku

For the ones having the W7 tablet and wanting to hack it, I've uploaded
the stuff I use to hack mine.
http://cordiahd.org/download/Tab/20110717/

Provided uramdisk.img will look for an SD Card in slot, then for a file
named meego-*.img (picks most recent one of many) and if found, boot
this filesystem image as rootfs.
If the image is not found, it continues booting to Android.

If you don't know what to do with header.img and uramdisk.img please
read doc/i.MX_Android_R10.1_User_Guide.html in Freescale's EVK support
files.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1084351)

There is a list of closed-source apps and possible replacements for them in Cordia. List is open, and everyone can add missing program or propose something:

http://cordiahd.org/os/maemo5-apps

I can't be bothered to register to edit that wiki page, but Modest is actually open source.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Put it on the new Samsung Galaxy Note or the LG Optimus Note and they will be a win!.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Why won't you just buy them and hack it Yourself? ;)

It;s not that easy - drivers/modules for elements, like SoC, must be available for us. At least if we don't want to get unused hardware parts, like graphic acceleration...

Pelago, thanks for info, i'll forward it to mailing list.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

If I win the lotto I promise I'll spend my spare time on that :D

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Why do we want to reuse Gnome3 stack? Is that something built into Mer/Meego?

Also, I do NOT recommend Rhythmnbox as the media player. It's MUCH too resource intensive.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

canuckkat, could You please join Cordia mailing-list?

I'll forward Your message to list, but for long-term, this way of "multi-hoping" communication is very inconvenient.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Yeah, sorry. I keep forgetting that there's a mailing list.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Smoku's response for Your question about re-using Gnome3 stack:

Quote:

Because it's a maintained piece of very good code.

Rhytmbox was not commented, I'm asking further.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

See the announcement at http://cordiatab.com/#news

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Nooooo... Isn't there any current android device by a well known manufacturer who know respects the gpl? Can't we legally enforce the gpl?

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i would suggest ,lets just have N900 and work on it for meego UI .Cordia tab is gonna have a load of issues with no official support .Sorry to say but it feels like many stake holders are kinda deaf,blind what so ever or simply they are not happy with maemo/meego & neither they will let them breathe !

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Will post what i replied in email to the update from Smoku

Thank you for the update.

Not sure if you have given the community the opportunity to respond to this but if the 6000USD is all they are asking for before going ahead (and it will be refunded after 1000 pcs?) then this doesnt seem as bad. I suggest we see what the interested community customers thoughts are. I'd be willing to put forward a deposit for this project before receiving the end product.

Kind regards

Afaq