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TomJ	2011-02-20 11:00

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 948938)

Most of Maemo apps are closed.
Most of MeeGo apps are PoC.

We need to replace:

- Media Player (DeaDBeeF maybe?)

I'm sure I missed some...

I seem to recall MohammedAG is working on a Qt clone of the N900 stock media player... would that be a possbility, to keep things familiar?

slender

2011-02-20 11:08

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

10€ from here. Keep up the good work!

btw.
For some weird reason first Paypal page was polish.

smoku

2011-02-20 11:22

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomJ (Post 950957)

I seem to recall MohammedAG is working on a Qt clone of the N900 stock media player... would that be a possbility, to keep things familiar?

If we would go for the N900 Media Player I would rather want to see something that actually works like Media Player (with whole MAFW behind), not something that just looks like one. (I didn't investigate whether Mohammad's player uses MAFW, though ;) )

Same goes for the browser. I have nothing against users installing standalone browser, but I would like to stick to EAL based solution in the default system.

P.S. One of my motivators for going on with this project is that I want these clever Maemo solutions not to be forgotten.

Venemo

2011-02-20 11:33

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomJ (Post 950957)

I seem to recall MohammedAG is working on a Qt clone of the N900 stock media player... would that be a possbility, to keep things familiar?

MohammadAG's media player, just like the stock one, uses MAFW which is AFAIK not part of the MeeGo middlerare. Correct me if I'm wrong.

jstokes

2011-02-20 11:44

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 950968)

P.S. One of my motivators for going on with this project is that I want these clever Maemo solutions not to be forgotten.

In the same vein, perhaps work could be undertaken to make Modest use something that is not Tinymail. UI-wise, Modest is sound; it was "the" app for GTK+ developers to look at to see how a program should be Hildonized. However, you only need to read the many stories 'round here to see where it fails (slowness, etc.).

MohammadAG's Qt Media Player does support MAFW, nicolai added support for it. However, when using my N900 with the default media player, I'd notice slowdowns with huge playlists etc. Not to mention Grillo seems to replace it outside of Maemo (though, admittedly, I don't know how stable Grillo is)

smoku

2011-02-20 11:48

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venemo (Post 950974)

MohammadAG's media player, just like the stock one, uses MAFW

cool :)

Quote:

which is AFAIK not part of the MeeGo middlerare. Correct me if I'm wrong.

http://meego.com/developers/meego-ar...re-domain-view
As we can see MeeGo provides only low-level APIs.

zimon

2011-02-20 12:20

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

btw, what other media players for N900 there is, which use DSP-accelerated decodecs for video? Just thinking, maybe some of them should be ported first than for example monolithic mplayer. I guess VLC nor Kmplayer doesn't use gstreamer either though. Gstreamer would have dsp-acceleration.

qole	2011-02-22 01:55

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

I'm pretty sure kmplayer is a front-end for both GStreamer and MPlayer.

mas5acre

2011-02-22 05:23

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Hi thanks again smoku. I am not trying to hijack this thread but was hoping u could convince the team behind the community ssu to join your cause. Trying to fix a dean os isnt worth it, where as creating a new and better one is like your idea.

smoku

2011-02-22 21:55

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

MAG wanted to see the push feedback, so as I was already making a screencast, I may as well show the current state of Cordia's HD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDxPbMuKwaM

smoku

2011-02-22 21:56

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by mas5acre (Post 952389)

Both projects have its place.
But don't worry - we are in touch. (IRC is a busy place)

smoku

2011-02-23 02:38

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

And this time Cordia running on real hardware - Lenovo Ideapad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9f_qIsqdxg

manavs

2011-02-23 02:49

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Looks awesome!!! Great work.

Reffyyyy

2011-02-23 05:10

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Both vgrade and I have Cordia running on O2 Jogglers. Essentially unusable due to graphical issues but it's a start.

vgrade's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ82hzi5PJk

My screenshot: http://twitpic.com/42sheu

Loving your work, Smoku.

Upgrading Clutter enabled text to be legible.

mas5acre

2011-02-23 08:47

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Smoku....its amazing stuff. Since your saying the drivers for the N900 can be redistrubuted, and Cordia is linux kernel based like maemo, would this be possible on an android phone....speculative of course. Id love to pick up my next phone based on hardware and use this incredible os on it. Maybe one on those dual core phones perhaps :)Even if not, it is pretty incredible what u achieved in such little time. u guys are accomplishing what nokia could not.

Also are u considering mouse support for the x86 version for non touch input computers? It would make a nice lite os for netbooks.

longcat

2011-02-23 09:42

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

you guys simple rule

pelago

2011-02-23 10:26

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 953095)

MAG wanted to see the push feedback, so as I was already making a screencast, I may as well show the current state of Cordia's HD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDxPbMuKwaM

This looks great! I'm not sure I like the effect where the whole display seems to push into the screen (i.e. get a little smaller) when the user presses a button or drags - is that intentional?

jukey

2011-02-23 10:27

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Is there an installation guide somewhere? Or an full MeeGo image containing this?

smoku

2011-02-23 10:58

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by jukey (Post 953469)

Is there an installation guide somewhere? Or an full MeeGo image containing this?

See http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:install_guide
There is no pre-made image yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mas5acre (Post 953408)

See http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/meego:start

Quote:

Also are u considering mouse support for the x86 version for non touch input computers? It would make a nice lite os for netbooks.

Yes. The idea is to automagically show mouse cursor when you move the mouse/touchpad and hide when you use the touchpad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 953468)

This looks great! I'm not sure I like the effect where the whole display seems to push into the screen (i.e. get a little smaller) when the user presses a button or drags - is that intentional?

I tend to agree.
I have a mixed feelings. While this is a nice feedback for touch, it gets a bit too much after a while...

bergie

2011-02-23 11:09

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 950638)

The browser should probably just be Fennec / Firefox Mobile, because it is mostly compatible with MicroB, and it is still being developed.

The other advantage is that Fennec is already in MeeGo repositories

jukey

2011-02-23 13:34

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 953504)

See http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:install_guide
There is no pre-made image yet.

Thanks for the hint. :)

I followed the installation steps (Used last MeeGo image from 2011-02-22 instead of the trunk link in your wiki) and it seems to work. Hildon desktop is started after a reboot and I'm able to run applications.

But I also have some problems:
1. Every application I started looks very ugly. See this Screenshot:
http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_TR...Screenshot.png It seems to be a kind of resolution problem?

2. How to change the background picture (In your youtube video there is an desktop image)?

Thank you very much!

smoku

2011-02-23 13:50

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by jukey (Post 953639)

1. Every application I started looks very ugly.

Either set your screen to 16bpp, or upgrade to at least hildon-desktop-2.2.141c-9.1

Quote:

2. How to change the background picture (In your youtube video there is an desktop image)?

Same as on Maemo.

Code:

> ls ~/.backgrounds/

background-1.png  background-6.png  thumbnail-2.png

background-2.png  background-7.png  thumbnail-3.png

background-3.png  background-8.png  thumbnail-4.png

background-4.png  cache.info

background-5.png  thumbnail-1.png

m4r0v3r

2011-02-23 14:10

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

will this come to the N900 and be use able? As in work well, with minimal lag?

Venemo

2011-02-23 14:22

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 953660)

will this come to the N900 and be use able? As in work well, with minimal lag?

Yes, N900 is one of our targets.

jukey

2011-02-23 16:55

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 953648)

Either set your screen to 16bpp, or upgrade to at least hildon-desktop-2.2.141c-9.1

Thank you but I can't imagine what "16bpp" means. 16 bit per pixel? If so, where I can change this value?

In case of hildon-desktop I also does not know where to get bu I assume it will be available in your OBS repo sooner or later?

Please let me know if I can help in a not too technical way. Maybe I can upgrade your wiki with information given here?

Quote:

Same as on Maemo.

Code:

> ls ~/.backgrounds/

background-1.png  background-6.png  thumbnail-2.png

background-2.png  background-7.png  thumbnail-3.png

background-3.png  background-8.png  thumbnail-4.png

background-4.png  cache.info

background-5.png  thumbnail-1.png

Thanks s a lot! :)

Best regards Uwe

smoku

2011-02-23 17:01

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by jukey (Post 953787)

In case of hildon-desktop I also does not know where to get bu I assume it will be available in your OBS repo sooner or later?

"zypper update"? :>

The package was available in OBS in the moment I answered. (How would I know the exact version number? ;) )

jukey

2011-02-23 17:36

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Thank you very much! :) This posting is written from Chromium running on top of your hildon version on top of MeeGo core. Great! :)

smoku

2011-02-24 11:07

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Guys, I'm bipolar about libhildonfm.
Do we want to keep it, or do we want to get back to standard GTK+ file selector dialogs?

Both have upsides and downsides.
GTK+ file selector is not that touch friendly. And using it would require "dehildonizing" this part of Maemo apps.
But keeping libhildonfm would mean that Maemo apps would use a different file selector than the rest of the system.

Maybe we could make standard GTK+ file selector more touch friendly?

ivgalvez

2011-02-24 12:09

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 954432)

Consider what's the solution between KDE and Gnome.

At least in my KDE box, GTK applications use KDE file picker. For some time it was messed up in Firefox, but that was because the application was not a real GTK one.

Isn't there any Freedesktop standard regarding file picker?

SD69	2011-02-24 12:52

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 954432)

From what I understand of it, I would prefer to keep lihildonfm, making this as easy as possible to use preexisting maemo apps.

great work btw

smoku

2011-02-24 13:04

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 954457)

At least in my KDE box, GTK applications use KDE file picker.

Is it implemented with KGTK, or some other way?

Venemo

2011-02-24 13:09

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 954432)

Guys, I'm bipolar about libhildonfm.
Do we want to keep it, or do we want to get back to standard GTK+ file selector dialogs?
...
Maybe we could make standard GTK+ file selector more touch friendly?

Let's use the one from Qt or MeeGo Touch.
For better integration with Hildon apps we could reimplement libhildonfm as a wrapper library for the related MeeGo APIs.

smoku

2011-02-24 15:14

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venemo (Post 954498)

Let's use the one from Qt or MeeGo Touch.

How does it look like?

AlMehdi

2011-02-26 21:38

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

As a replacement for modest maybe Postler could be something? It don't look like the gui need any work...

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/02/p...tion-released/

fmo	2011-02-27 23:38

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

If you are still looking for an alternative Audio player I suggest looking here at SomePlayer it has already a lot of features :)

smoku

2011-02-27 23:47

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Another day of hacking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxG40LvV9A4

qwazix

2011-02-28 00:01

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

That's really nice! Keep it up!
A phone with meego, hildon and all apps open source: the perfect device!
________
Novana Residence Condo

vkv.raju

2011-02-28 00:47

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoku (Post 948938)

Most of Maemo apps are closed.
Most of MeeGo apps are PoC.

We need to replace:
- Conversations (with Empathy)
- Modest (with Evolution Express)
- Calendar
- Browser UI
- Media Player (DeaDBeeF maybe?)
- Picture Gallery
- Application Manager
- ?
I'm sure I missed some...

PoC: You meant Piece of Crap only, right? Would you reconsider calling them PoS. (But guess, you were being bit polite).

And sure you did miss some legendary ones!
- Phone
- Backup
- Contacts

Daneel

2011-02-28 01:11

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

Amazing performance. Keep up to good work!

Any other means for donation? My country is not supported by paypal.

mohannad

2011-02-28 07:34

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core

HOLY MOLY this is awesome!!

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