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I have read that HW specs are not upgradable, but if possible I will suggest to use at least a Cortex A9 (yes A9) single core SoC with 1024MB.

A9 is an out of order cpu (A8 is in order) so it could be 20-30% faster than A8 at same clock and 1024MB give more longevity to the product.

Cortex A9 single core SoCs are not expensive and they are already used by china's hw builders (i.e. AmLogic Cortex A9 800MHz SoC with 1080p support, by Mali 400 GPU, can be found on 90-100USD tablets)

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I'd be happy with slightly faster hardware and I would even be willing to pay more for it. Btw., I signed for a preorder anyway, cause I love the idea :)

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yes @geekygirl and @fabry. Faster processor then is currently mentioned in the specs. Maybe omap 3630, the one that is on N9, with a 1ghz, or the cortex A9 (which ever does not increase the price dramtically). Plus up the ram to 1gb. All other things remain constant, its a definite buy, excellent device. People can get it with cordia installed, and an option to install the meego tablet UX, its amazing, its a win for the community.

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You guys and gals are missing the point - we can *not* switch processor in design, cause we're buying existing tablet (powered by android). The difference is, that Smoku selected one, that we can 100% switch to Cordia HD, without loosing things like DSP hardware accelerating. We can *not* get A9 on this device - maybe we could use device with A9 build in, but I presume, that it may bring further complications, like lack of other demanded things (HDMI, USB hostmode, etc.). It's really not easy to find best quality/price tablet, that will be 100% compatible with Cordia/Meego.

Also, keep in mind (it was elaborated on Smoku blog), that *most* of SoC's *don't* have open source drivers/modules/or-whatever-its-called that we can use to get full performance (most of the time, lack of OpenGLES, so no hw acceleration).

Sure, I would *love* to see device with 1GB RAM, and also would like to pay more for it. But, as it was previously explained, we need *at least* 1000 confirmed orders (i.e. 1000 people, that will pay in advance, and wait unspecified amount of time, facing possible delays etc - just like with Open Pandora project), to order producing device specified by us. Threshold for buying (for good price) existing hardware is only 250.

By the way, I really hold my thumbs for this project, and I hope it's going to be such a success, that 3-4 years later, we'll be able to design our own device with specification 100% as our needs are (in fact, will be ;) )

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core
 

The cordia tab does look like it could be and Ideal unit for a maemo migration :)

I would like to ask about the pricing though, as anyone who lives outside of the US knows... Electronics don't really follow the exchange rate for some unknown reason.

So if this is available outside of the US, I would like to see this a little more sanely priced for the UK (and else where)

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core
 

There is an expensive china's tablet with specs like CordiaTab or even better.

Search for "Dropad A9N".

It uses a Cortex A9 NEC EV2 (dualcore, not single core but unknown clock speed) with SGX530 (same as N900) GPU, double cam (2.0MP + 3.2MP).
Unfortunately it is still 512MB only :(

Smoku can evaluate it and if it is ok for Cordia HD then he can contact the producer to see how much discount can be obtained for bulk (250 or more units) orders

EDIT:
No HDMI port :(
GPS version not available now (but planned)

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That's the thing I was talking about. You find one with better processor - it's almost useless, as RAM doesn't increase. If even You find one with better RAM - it's missing crucial parts, like GPS. and so, it goes on.

I, somehow, got faith that Smoku already sandboxed *really* best compromise. Trust me - I'm just about to start my own electronic business,and I've gone through filtering china offers for really good things, out of 90% crap +5% good thing lacking essential stuff.

I would really recommend to stick with one already tested (yes, Smoku have at least one in his hand right now!), then, if we need to, after few years design our own, than spend months now "waiting" for some planed features to pop-up in china products. This most likely gonna kill the project.

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As for CordiaTAB itself, I wonder what "HDMI: 720p support" means. Will it be possible to set up X desktop resolution, matching, for example, 1680x1050 resolution monitor, and get native resolution (of monitor output), or will it be capped to 720 width? Or you mean only video playback, obviously limited to 720p?

Also, may it be that no one realized, but CordiaTAB got worse resolution than N900, for square centimeter - 1024x600 for 7'', as opposed to 800x600 for our 3,5''. No big deal, thought - I think that it's still very good resolution, without any sign of pixelisation. Personally, I'm not so happy with capacitive screen (although multitouch is nice), but we can agree that it's today standard and nice compromise.

Smoku, is this 3300 mAh battery removable without problems, or we need to disassemble device? Also, do you consider performing professional tests about battery capacity, before ordering 250? They tend to lie about battery capacity, and having in mind lover real value, this can be + for us to negotiate better price... ;)

I'm also from Poland, and I got equipment needed to correctly measure real capacity, so I would be very happy, to volunteer via doing measurements.

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I signed on for pre-order because I really want to support this project.

Even if I share expectations for higher performance hardware I would buy it anyway just for it openess. There is no other option because neither Android is that open as it would look like.

I just hope for an up to date status of the project, with estimated times maybe.

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As a "device manufacturer", can you ask the Alien Dalvik people what they´d want for licensing it for use on our oversized Cordia device? :)

Since they don´t want to sell to end users...

I put myself down for 2 devices. I´m willing to lose that to get a Maemo 5 looking device to go with my N900.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core
 

I also put down a preorder :)

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Smoku, could you please put here a update on how many people signed? also, how are things going overall?

I know You've got personal life and I'm not demanding anything, but "quiet time" is a little worrying. Just remember, that Open Pandora guys succeed despite facing severe problems and many, many changes of delivery time, only by keeping community well updated all the time about all problems/status changes.

I mean, constant flow of information is a key here, I think ;)

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core
 

Please join the mailing list to be updated on the status of the project.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core
 

Is there an online archive of the mailing list anywhere?

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Are we going to be able to implement python scripts/programs like we can right now with Maemo 5?

For a media player, have you looked at Mediabox? It can use mafw and gstreamer. SomePlayer does look good, I'd admit.

Also, why are you using gnome programs? Wouldn't it be better/easier to use pure GTK programs or XFCE programs? For example, xfce4-power-manager instead of gnome-power-manager. I'm running a "living" experiment with archlinux and openbox at the moment to see what gnome programs can be completely replaced and which ones I can't live without at the moment hehe.

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I live in Lebanon and I'm interested in buying this device,but can it be shipped to Lebanon?

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Is there info on how many ppl preorder cordiatab? Is the 1K margin close?

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@up - the current goal is 250, not 1000. with 1000, we should be able to order 100% custom device, but that would require designing from our side = it would take muuuuch longer. It seems that consensus was made, to start with available device, and leave designing custom one to future *if* this project succeed.

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I second question about mailing list archive...

Ho ever, while I agree that mailing list is good thing, lack of real archive + fact that most people read forums, makes me wonder - is it so hard to put info also here, on appropriate thread?

I don't want to sound over-reactive, but it sound rude a little to GTFO interested people (not to mention pre-orders amongst them...) with one liner.

I know, it's also not so hard to join mailing list. But, if I recall correctly, we want to have *more* people interested, not the opposite. At least this is what I - and many other people interested - doing, advocating Cordia in current discussions with Council.

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The mailing list archive is on the way.
I requested adding the ML to GMANE and submitted archive for import.

I do not track TMO as closely as a year ago, so if you want to be in touch you need to join the ML. That's a fact. Live with it.

Besides this is a _Maemo_ forum.
We've been already suggested to GTFO with MeeGo and Cordia stuff.

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No matter what some individual may have said, MeeGo and Cordia stuff is acceptable on this forum.

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That little banner on right side of this place is just for kicks there?

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Smoku, while you're certainly doing great stuff with this project from technical point of view, you're definitely not half as good in "convincing people to join Your case". Maybe you just don't care for that, but then, how You expect enough people sending You real money (not only signing for pre-order), when times comes? IMO in such projects, good communication with participants (even ones that aren't directly developing, but, for example, "only" using and ordering device) is 50% of success.

Haven't You thought about someone volunteering communication with participants? You want 250 people to pre-order, I doubt You can achieve communicating with all of them, when talking with 20-30 start to fail in a way "do it my way and live with it, if not, I don't want Your business"

I'm not trying to be rude here - quite opposite, I'm offering help. No one is good on all "fronts", neither You alone can do all things Yourself.

Maybe You haven't noticed - you probably have not - but increased interest in CordiaTAB started when bunch of people, including me, advocated this on current pre-election "future for maemo.org" threads. Most of people didn't even knew about Cordia project, before that. Many of them, including very active ones, even thought that You've left community long time ago without any trace.

Be honest with Yourself, PR isn't Your strong point. Managing such a big project require *very* good communication, or it will fail. Just my little advise - use currently present interest and people willing to help, or latter You may complain about not having such good souls around ;)

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I have to second Estel here.

We all have our things we are good at and we defiantly have things we suck at.

I for one am pretty terrible to explain things, and my most active field "free" energy i see this all the time, brilliant people inventing things but they SUCK at trying to explain what they are doing..


in the case of this thread, i will say take the help, lets get more users on this, we all want more devices that run maemo, even meego with the nice Hildon-Desktop on top :)

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And I third Estel.

This is an Open Source collaboration, isn't it? Then we should live by those ideals.

On the subject of GTFO from maemo.org, many here see this as a future direction of maemo.org, so even if you don't wish to frequent this place as much, others will and do, and will provide the strength in numbers required to make this project a success.

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How realistic is it that if this device succeeds...

1. There will be another device after the Cordia Tab?
2. The one following the Cordia Tab has updated hardware?

While me and many others would like to support this project, there doesn't seem to be too much of a point if all we get is an outdated machine running open source software that may not have a future. However, if this can lead to a device with beast specifications then many would see it worthwhile. Would Smoku (or someone) be willing to work on device with customs specs?

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i really want this project to be a success but for me and alot of other people out there we werent sold yet about jumping on tablet trend, if this is a 4" - 5" phone i would gladly preorder no doubt about it even if the specs is just a little better than n900... just my 2cents.

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My thoughts exactly. I want to support this project but I have no need for nor do I want to carry around a tablet.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core
 

Think of it this way:

You may not care about carrying around a tablet, but if you like the project enough to want to support it then maybe you might make an exception. After all, the hardware will not change any time soon, but future ventures of this type will be greatly impacted by this first step.

That's why though I leave my Nook Color at home most of the time (and slowly hack the kernel clean,) I plan on getting the Cordiatab as early as possible and hauling it with me. Even displacing my N900 if necessary.

And maybe down the line, with more people involved and a higher profile a nice handset could be the target. Who knows. But it starts here.

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I have to disagree a bit.
While you are right that communication is a big part of any product launch, this clearly isn't a "big" project. This is a community-driven Tablet intended for developers (as smoku states on the cordia tab page), for people who want a full linux/meego stack with hildon-desktop goodiness. This is for people who know exactly what they get - people like me.

I don't need great advertising, featuritis or adobe flash, i want a nice linux tablet playground. that's exactly what smoku is offering.

your arguments might become valid once this project goes beyond its intended developer target audience of 300 people, but for now, i think it's too early to expect a "professional", enterprisey product launch.

if you don't like that, just don't preorder.

i for one am grateful smoku pushes this forward, at high financial risk for himself (i doubt the factory will take back unsold devices). i'll definately get one of the first Cordia-Tab batches :)

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Might not be the "future" but for me it's more about freedom, and what's more awesome then a OS for the people, by the people.

And if it's maemo or meego that doesn’t matter to me, i really just like the system, and really like hildon-desktop, and been really impressed about you customizers out there that take yours to a whole new level with all shorts of cool art work and such, just that alone makes it awesome instead of been confirmed as on Android or IOS, or for that sake the completely boring WP7 layout.... we should make the WP7 look just for us insomniacs, that will put you right to sleep.

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SubCore - I get Your point, but I'm afraid that without proper communications, there may be a problem to get those required 250 people to send *real* money (not only sign-up). I'm not trying to say that Smoku doesn't care about people involved, but it seems for me that he may use some help @ communication field. Well, lets just wait for his response.

Also, I'm definitely *not* trying to make this "product release event", lets leave this to our long lost Nokia friends ;) I'm really talking about communication with such 250 "brave souls".

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As for carrying tablet with You - just remember, that via miniPCIe HSPA module - and proper software - You can use this thing as phone. I agree that 7'' thing may be not "best" suited for phone use, but on the other hand - with bluetooth (or any) headset, why not? It also contain build-in speaker and microphone, so "loudspeakers" are also an option.

As for future devices *if* this project succeed - there will be definitely one, even if Smoku would be not interested in doing so. If really, after this project being what we want it to, no one skilled enough would be interested in gathering 1000 people (remember, 2-3 years after first CordiaTAB, when we need more modern hardware), I would definitely do. For me, community designed hardware is final goal.

Of course it depends on many factors - some of them being voted in near future, as our "roadmap", some of them depending on how this project will turn out...

Just remember. CordiaHD isn't our "only hope". It's one of possible solutions, that seems quite neat for me. But, there is also MeegoCE, for example. Lets separate Operating System thing from hardware thing. We have now few interesting option as OS, but none hardware option. So, we need to create one ourself ;)

First step, by gathering 250 people and buying existing, yet fully compatible device seems all right to me. Nice "proveground" for things like how this project is maintained (communication included ;) ). Then, gaining experiences for this - cause I'm quite sure we will face some unexpected problems - we can try harder approach, with designing our own hardware. So, basically, lets start with easier and "smaller" - but still effective - approach, and then, after learning on it (and using it happily) lets try harder things.

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We have already started talking about the GEN2 hardware. I hope to be able to go to the Open Hardware Summit on Spet. 15 where I will have the GEN2 in the back of my mind.

Generally, I think we would like to have a physical form factor similar to the N8x0 or Dell Streak 5, but of course we are at early stage and things change. I would not hold out much hope for "beast" specifications if you mean the latest and greatest CPU, GPU, super hi-res display, etc. Open source is the first priority for Cordia project which necessitates some tradeoffs.

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n8x0 form factor is way to go for mobile users.

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I second openness over performance. Although, the same time, I prefer performance over low price (of course, with some limitations ;) ) Not that I represent rich part of society - I just like to buy one good device and use it for years, instead of changing every year or two.

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I can testify to that :-)

Another aspect is that a team, even very small, would probably help. That doesn't mean giving up control of the project : it's just that in many successful endeavours, public relations are not handled by the same person as the technical stuff.

Remember the two Steves - Wozniak & Jobs ? :-)

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I'm looking at getting Always Innovating's Smart Book and definitely wanting to run Cordia on it.

Not that I don't like the CordiaTab, but the Smart Book is what suits my needs better. :)

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Smart Book is interesting idea but previous hardware was a total disaster. Poor build quality. I think that has not changed since (although I may be wrong).

It may be interesting as a purely developer device for Cordia, since it allows easy access to motherboard, and had lots of space for internal usb hardware.

If you have any questions about it, I've got one TouchBook bellow my desk.

Original owner has posted following upon receiving it:

http://majic.rs/blog/always-innovati...st-impressions
http://majic.rs/blog/always-innovati...-the-day-after

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Before You propose any hardware for consideration, check if it's 100% compatible with our needs, i.e. got open drivers/modules etc... It would be pity to lack DSP acceleration, for example ;)

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DSP brings you to closed source waters (TI), and AI Touch/Smart Book is beagle-board based, so I guess it fits the purpose.

In fact it is more open than any of nokia devices, past or future.

My remark was about poor casing quality, and annoying keyboard and touchpad.

Re: Cordia : Maemo5 UI on top MeeGo Core
 

i have signed for preorder cordia tab. community = openness = freedom = cordia = linux = n900
And as a user of n900 would like to support cordia