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schettj 2010-07-01 17:43

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeallen (Post 737438)
What is the reason for this website? Is it totally ignored by the company?

maemo.org is a user-to-user community around the maemo platform.

The "INTRO" tab at the top, under the giant maemo.org logo, tells you what maemo.org is for. Click it. Read it.

realsportcars 2010-07-01 17:44

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeallen (Post 737504)
I don't observe a change of colour - but that is an aside. The key issue to me is that there is no top of page notification. I am not cooling for colour changes or any fancy stuff. Just basic notification working, out of the box.

I'd might be happier to buy fancy wheels for the "ferrari" if the steering wheel didn't keep falling off. When the steering wheel keeps falling off I loose confidence in the car and the company.

There is an application that you can use for display sms and others notification on the main desktop.

When i update the software i noticed some problems in windows managment caused by theme corrupted. Please try do switch for a moment to another theme and then re-set yours. It could be helpful for some things. It takes less than a minute.

BTW im not sure on what you mean with " The key issue to me is that there is no top of page notification". What you want exactly?

cfh11 2010-07-01 17:45

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeallen (Post 737509)
It doesn't appear to me to be anything to do with the service provider - the date and time of the SMS (alert message) is spot on. The problem is that the N900 is not presenting the message in a timely and "emphasis of matter critical" mode.

The date and time only refers to when the message was uploaded to your service provider's server. If the message is not being pushed to your n900 in a timely fashion (thus resulting in notification on the desktop) that is the service provider's fault.

xomm 2010-07-01 17:48

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
I'll just say one thing and leave this alone:

People here are trying to help you. There's absolutely no point in posting something like this if you're just going to wave people's solutions away. Just saying it should be included in the device won't magically make it happen.

Applications in Maemo Extras or Ovi have a very little chance of messing up your device; it's only -testing and -devel that you need to worry about.

Just approach ideas with an open mind.

(After all, these days, "apps" are what set smartphones away from feature phones/dumbphones.)

schettj 2010-07-01 17:49

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
[QUOTE=mikeallen;737476]
Quote:

Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 737456)

If you are away from your phone and come back and look at messages there is no evidence of a message.

Really? No flashing lights? No glowing indicator icon? Are you sure you're using an n900?

cfh11 2010-07-01 17:52

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Ok, ONE LAST TIME. Here are 4 ways you are notified of a new message:

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 737439)
Regarding notifications, the light blinks blue, there is a notification on the lock screen telling you that there is a message/email/missed call and how many, AND there is the yellow "card" that pops up in the dashboard (which will lead you right to the message if you click on it).

Hmmm.. apparently you didn't read this. In addition to those other 3, the task switcher icon in the upper left corner also glows when there is a notification.

These are all out of the box enabled with pr 1.2. If you need more than that there are great free and safe apps such as maenotify and callnotify that will give you even more notification. There is also this app which is under development (read: not ready for end users) that you might find helpful.

mikeallen 2010-07-01 17:59

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by niels (Post 737515)
I don't encounter these problems with PR1.2. You probably just have a bad phone. Get it replaced.

BTW, the official N900 website is quite clear about how the conversations work (http://maemo.nokia.com/features/conversations/) - it shouldn't be a surprise that messages are "hidden" in a conversation.

There is no evidence to me that I have a bad phone. Bluetooth worked until I stupidly updated the firmware. The presentation of messages is totally software related.

The website you link to is irrelevant. If you have been out of the room and you return and look at your phone, the fact that you have received a new message should be "screaming in your face" with one of those "yellow notes" when you access the device.

mikeallen 2010-07-01 18:03

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by schettj (Post 737518)
maemo.org is a user-to-user community around the maemo platform.

The "INTRO" tab at the top, under the giant maemo.org logo, tells you what maemo.org is for. Click it. Read it.

And I am here to say how maemo is "pissing me off" in relation to the N900 implementation. Nothing more, because I would be wasting my time on suggestions about the iPhone 4 or anything else - which I don't own.

floffe 2010-07-01 18:04

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeallen (Post 737547)
If you have been out of the room and you return and look at your phone, the fact that you have received a new message should be "screaming in your face" with one of those "yellow notes" when you access the device.

It does put a yellow box on the task manager until you either access that one or close it. And no, I would not want the top 10% of my screen occupied by notifications for more than a few seconds. Perhaps you should change to a theme where the task switcher icon glows more intensely.

mikeallen 2010-07-01 18:07

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by realsportcars (Post 737521)
There is an application that you can use for display sms and others notification on the main desktop.

When i update the software i noticed some problems in windows managment caused by theme corrupted. Please try do switch for a moment to another theme and then re-set yours. It could be helpful for some things. It takes less than a minute.

BTW im not sure on what you mean with " The key issue to me is that there is no top of page notification". What you want exactly?

I have tried changing themes to no avail.

By "top of page" notification I mean if I stroke the screen and slide the bar, if I get an SMS yellow notification to give me or lead me to the missed message(s) - same of I press the on/off button to wake up the device. ie if I mess with the device after returning to the phone it tells me about missed calls, sms etc

mikeallen 2010-07-01 18:13

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xomm (Post 737528)
I'll just say one thing and leave this alone:

People here are trying to help you. There's absolutely no point in posting something like this if you're just going to wave people's solutions away. Just saying it should be included in the device won't magically make it happen.

Applications in Maemo Extras or Ovi have a very little chance of messing up your device; it's only -testing and -devel that you need to worry about.

Just approach ideas with an open mind.

(After all, these days, "apps" are what set smartphones away from feature phones/dumbphones.)

I suspect people are as you say in the back of my mind, and I am not wasting my time and everybody else's to express the problems I am having. My time is valuable, as is many peoples'. If I was stupid enough to use "Facebook" I would have no problem using apps. I don't see why I should have to use apps to get functionality that was available for decades on Nokia and other phones.

cfh11 2010-07-01 18:14

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Bottom line:

1) If you believe the software is defective, flash your phone. If you believe you hardware is defective, contact Nokia.

2) Take some of the suggestions here and get some apps/tweak your device a bit. You'll be glad you did ;)

3) If you don't want to put any effort into or just don't like the phone/software sell it and get something else.

sunwong 2010-07-01 18:16

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 9000 (Post 737447)
I know you're in trouble and I really don't want to add salt to the injury but I can make an exception for you in view of your attitude towards other helpers: Don't lie and put the blame on others just because you screwed up your own phone and don't want to admit your own failure because it makes you look like an idiot who can't even screw a lightbulb. Sorry, we're not that stupid to believe you that your phone failed on its own without idiot intervention.

Phew, I say it. I feel good.

You put yourself to shame with your childish pro-nokia fanboyism.

rotfl at u dude.

grow up and get a life

cfh11 2010-07-01 18:17

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeallen (Post 737567)
I am not wasting my time and everybody else's to express the problems I am having.

If you are not willing to listen to our suggestions, then I beg to differ :rolleyes:

mikeallen 2010-07-01 18:19

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xomm (Post 737528)
I'll just say one thing and leave this alone:

People here are trying to help you. There's absolutely no point in posting something like this if you're just going to wave people's solutions away. Just saying it should be included in the device won't magically make it happen.

Applications in Maemo Extras or Ovi have a very little chance of messing up your device; it's only -testing and -devel that you need to worry about.

Just approach ideas with an open mind.

(After all, these days, "apps" are what set smartphones away from feature phones/dumbphones.)

I suspect people are as you say in the back of my mind, and I am not wasting my time and everybody else's to express the problems I am having. My time is valuable, as is many peoples'. If I was stupid enough to use "Facebook" I would have no problem using apps. I don't see why I should have to use apps to get basic GSM functionality that was available for decades on Nokia and other phones.

James_Littler 2010-07-01 18:20

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
If you are not receiving the missed call/message/email notifications that you say should be there (they should, and are on everyone elses n900) please try re-flashing your device with the pr1.2 firmware, also re-flash the emmc. Make sure you do a backup and transfer it to your pc first as flashing the emms will delete everything in the phones memory that is visable to you through file manager.

The reason I say to do this, (you are entitled to ask why, how else do we learn?) is because your phone appears to have several major bugs that are not due to bad firmware, it is due to a bad install. The nokia ota update is a joke, imagine doing an upgrade on a pc compared to doing a fresh install.

Re-flahing will take you half an hour, I had never touched a linux os before I got the n900 and I've had no problem with anything, this community is brilliant and a testement to oss, I think that you should be a little more receptive to ideas, as after all, we're only trying to help you and receive nothing but your thanks for doing so. we are not paid to answer support threads, we do this for fun, or something like that anyway.

Please re-flash and then come back here and tell us your not happy with your phone. It will no doubt fix the majority of your problems.

If there are things that you would like in addition to the standard features of the n900 then come back here and seek advice as to which app would suit your needs, no doubt you will be given a kind reception and pointed in the right direction, and the beauty of oss is that all bar 10 or so apps are completely free.

I hope this helps

9000 2010-07-01 18:36

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sunwong (Post 737575)
You put yourself to shame with your childish pro-nokia fanboyism.

rotfl at u dude.

grow up and get a life

I realized I'm wrong in judging others by his attitude. Thanks for your reminder.

Btw, though I don't think I'm that pro-nokia, but you guys seems to take 'nokia fanboy' as an insult to others here. I wondered, is 'pro-nokia' that bad in your eyes? ^^

schettj 2010-07-01 19:31

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeallen (Post 737552)
And I am here to say how maemo is "pissing me off" in relation to the N900 implementation.

Right, and you are doing it in the User Community. Not to Nokia. Its exactly like joining a Toyota Prius Fan forum, and then demanding that Toyota fix your sudden acceleration problem there.

I'm sorry for you, but other then telling you how to use the device you bought I can't fix your issues.

mikeallen 2010-07-02 06:15

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
I tried re-flashing the phone again, assuming the possibility of corruption in the original download. I downloaded new update software, and when I ran it, it said I had the latest version installed - (which I knew). It gave me the "option" to re-install - but the "re-install button" provided was greyed out. So I couldn't flash it.

Has anyone in Nokia tested the flashing software in the misleadingly named "Nokia Software Updater" (ie should be "Nokia flash updater" or similar - because the software is other stuff - eg the PC suite). v 2.5.2 en. I have hardware version RX-51.

mikeallen 2010-07-02 06:20

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
While I was able to perform an internal backup of my calendar etc using the icon provided on the phone menu system, I can't do it with Nokia PC suite (7.1.51.0) It says 12819.4 MB of free disk space is required to backup this tiny device! It refused to go beyond that point. The backup made internally was about 2 MB.

I also can't send a text message using PC suite using this phone. The "messages" option is greyed out. Contacts and calendar works OK.

I have never had a problem like this with my previous Nokia phones.

9000 2010-07-02 06:29

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
It's good to hear that you determine to flash it again. It may save your time doing so. Remember to download the right flash and eMMC images and flash both. Don't skip flashing eMMC image like many others, as it's problematic in some case.

I've never tried the backup software from Nokia (I'm not that trust Nokia's suite software anyway). You may tell us what you want to backup and we may figure out how it can be done in other way.

I push everything to my gmail account, including the calendar so flashing is less painful for me. May be you could try that as well.

onethreealpha 2010-07-02 07:08

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
I'm sorry to hear about your problems.

It would appear that you have MADE ABSOLUTELY NO EFFORT WHATSOEVER TO RESEARCH THE PRODUCT THAT YOU HAVE PURCHASED and are now one very unhappy little camper.

Excluding a few disrespectful people, most of the replies on this thread have been from N900 users who are actually trying to offer solutions.

You appear to have no interest in making an attempt to find/install solutions to the problems you have described (as suggested by many here), preferring to stick like glue to the basis of your original post.

A little further research would also have provided you with the information regarding PC Suite limitations.

If you spent a little less time pissing and moaning endlessly about the lack of glaringly obvious (to you) sms notifications, and some more trolling the mind-numbingly large amount of info on reflashing and backing up, you may have resolved the vast majority of your (dare I suggest "operator error" related) problems.

If you're not going to listen to help when it's offered by a community that OWES YOU NOTHING, see how far you get with your complaining to Nokia...

you're behaviour quite frankly, has thus far been like that of spoiled little child

flexmat 2010-07-02 07:28

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by olighak (Post 736138)
Yep, my dad had the same thing on his N900 when I sent him a message today.

He heard the beep, saw the yellow notification but couldnīt find the message.

I had a similar problem with PR 1.1.The problem was the next following : few space on rootfs...

James_Littler 2010-07-02 09:42

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
It sounds like you are trying to use nokia software updater to re-flash your device, that's not what your meant to do, sorry for not making that clear.

To re-flash (different from updating) you need to download the firmware image and emmc image, and the maemo flasher 3.5 utility from here:
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php

You will need to provide your imei number to enter the site.

Once you have downloaded all 3 files, perform a backup using the backup utility on the n900, once that has completed connect your phone to a pc via the usb cable and transfer the backup on the n900 to your pc, make sure you keep it somewhere safe.

Install maemo flasher 3.5 then follow the wiki page on updating the firmware, found here:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware

Make sure you flash the firmware and emmc, you also have to do this in a particular order (cant remember which, I'm sure someone will chime in though).

Once you are done and you have your n900 running a fresh pr1.2 again, transfer the backup to your n900 and use it to restore your phone, but only restore calender and contacts, don't restore your list of programs as you may have had a few causing problems (I know you said you have no apps installed so this may be a non-issue for you).

When that's done manually go through the repositories and download the apps you would like.

xomm 2010-07-02 14:47

Re: The N900 I am using (10.2010.19-1) has some incredible defects
 
Here's some documentation to help you:

Graphical Walkthrough for Windows:

http://www.maemofanatics.com/how-to-...ur-nokia-n900/

Text Walkthrough:

http://thenokiablog.com/2010/05/25/h...900-maemo-1-2/

Wiki Page:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware

I recommend you look over all of them, to give you a good understanding of the procedure.

Good luck.

(I must have re-posted that at least 20 times now...)


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