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Castillo91 2010-10-25 08:36

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Lyrics is not something I miss on instinctiv and I would hate to see ads coming to the player.

On a side note, will the better song browsing come with the next update?

lingling92 2010-10-26 12:51

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
There is a conflict with the "Theme Customizer".
Since installed, instinctiv doesn't switch into portrait mode.

Does anyone else have this problem?

lingling92 2010-10-26 13:03

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
There is a conflict with the "Theme Customizer".
Since installed, instinctiv doesn't switch into portrait mode.

Does anyone else have this problem?

MohammadAG 2010-10-26 13:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 842290)
We actually have landscape mode working except for one bug -- when we lay the phone flat it ALWAYS defaults to landscape no matter what the orientation previously was. We're trying to set that straight but once we do we'll do a mini update on the forum.

Can you update to PR1.3 and check if this is working now? It seems to be fixed.. at least it works in my app now.

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-10-26 19:27

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Here's where we're at as of today:

http://instinctiv.com/n900/102610.deb

And if you could humor me with another informal poll: Would you rather:

Pay for premium features (such as lyrics or anything else that we can't offer for free)

- on a per feature basis
OR
- as a single "pro" version of the app which will cost more than any single feature (but less than all the features combined if sold separately)

bobcorn 2010-10-26 19:29

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Peter thanks for the update :)
for me would prefer a One PRO version that got all the good stuff :)
STILL HATES THE ADS IDEA :D

uvatbc 2010-10-26 19:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 852174)
Here's where we're at as of today:

http://instinctiv.com/n900/102610.deb

And if you could humor me with another informal poll: Would you rather:

Pay for premium features (such as lyrics or anything else that we can't offer for free)

- on a per feature basis
OR
- as a single "pro" version of the app which will cost more than any single feature (but less than all the features combined if sold separately)

Depends on how many features are "useless" - but I'd most probably go with a single Pro app just because its the known and simple way of doing things.

zerocool2k 2010-10-27 00:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 852174)
Here's where we're at as of today:

http://instinctiv.com/n900/102610.deb

Woah, landscape mode and very snappy (just like previous version). Thanks a lot :).
Did you implement the tracker config thing too? I noticed it doesn't add ringtones or small audio files that I included in the "not monitored" category in tracker config any more.

Awesome product!

EDIT: Can we have a control on the album images? Right now it just takes the first picture from google search to apply, which is mostly not the case for my library.

jer006 2010-10-27 00:35

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I agree, it depends on what the features are and how much they would be...

You could offer both versions if you purchased the gold version you would get all features unlocked otherwise you could just pay for and unlock the features you wanted.

Of course this would make the application more complicated

Taleydra 2010-10-27 00:44

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I would rather have a one time payment. Also, I don't want my phone hammered with ads being downloaded. And, I don't want lyrics, but I am willing to pay for a great program.

lorul2 2010-10-27 00:57

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When you guys are done (version 1.0) i'm ready to pay. Great Job!!

carlit0x 2010-10-27 00:57

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thanks for this version! but... still no folder browsing !?!? ... ill keep using mediabox as default :/ sorry...

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-10-27 03:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uvatbc (Post 852200)
Depends on how many features are "useless" - but I'd most probably go with a single Pro app just because its the known and simple way of doing things.

We hope that none of the features we work on are useless ;). At a minimum there are just some things we can't offer for free under any circumstances because they cost *us* money (like lyrics, sadly) but also certain server-intense services we'd like to start offering that will run up hardware, power, bandwidth etc costs. It sounds like most people want a free and a pro version with no ads which is also the way we're leaning :)

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-10-27 03:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lorul2 (Post 852382)
When you guys are done (version 1.0) i'm ready to pay. Great Job!!

Almost done :) Still one more big update and one small one and then we'll call it a solid 1.0 ~ PB

uvatbc 2010-10-27 03:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 852593)
We hope that none of the features we work on are useless ;). At a minimum there are just some things we can't offer for free under any circumstances because they cost *us* money (like lyrics, sadly) but also certain server-intense services we'd like to start offering that will run up hardware, power, bandwidth etc costs. It sounds like most people want a free and a pro version with no ads which is also the way we're leaning :)

Would it help if we could pay now to get you guys started? I don't know about the rest, but I'm fine with paying for even what I've seen so far.

clovis86 2010-10-27 09:29

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 852174)
Here's where we're at as of today:

http://instinctiv.com/n900/102610.deb

And if you could humor me with another informal poll: Would you rather:

Pay for premium features (such as lyrics or anything else that we can't offer for free)

- on a per feature basis
OR
- as a single "pro" version of the app which will cost more than any single feature (but less than all the features combined if sold separately)

definitely a PRO version.
hate ads too ^^

lingling92 2010-10-27 14:01

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+ one PRO version

ndi 2010-10-27 14:24

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I'll have to go with modules. Pro version is nice, but I really couldn't care less for online lyrics.

PRO version has the advantage it will probably "eat" newly added features, whereas a per-feature could require cash to upgrade.

However, I'm pretty sure I won't be using all the features and, if tarballed together, it's likely I'll never upgrade to PRO. I'm not going to pay for a PRO version if out of 5 features I want just 1.

Which makes me wonder. Why is there a "OR" in there? What's wrong with taballing all the addon features and the player and calling it a "pro"? Or tarballing all the features in a "pro" pack. We could have the cake and eat it, too.

NvyUs 2010-10-27 14:36

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are you going to do a desktop client for OS' othr than Mac?

jer006 2010-10-27 15:32

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Peter,
Just testing out the new version and it took a while initially where it was very slow to do anything - even just rotating from portrait to landscape.

It now seems to have settled down and is performing nicely however I noticed something weird with the rotation...

If you hold the device up in portrait it rotates correctly, if you flip the device around it rotates to landscape correctly... However if you set the n900 down flat it appears to rotate to an intermediate state that is neither landscape or portrait as the coverart is beside the track information as in landscape mode but the screen is still in portrait display...

Looks weird and the cover art is truncated as there is not enough room horizontally to display it due to still being in portrait mode...

Everything else though looks good and after the initial performance issues everything is working great! Thanks for the update, this is definately a good application - now my only other request would be for a simple way to navigate through my 3000+ tracks (1000+ albums) - could something like the character selectors on the phones contact lookup be implemented where you could directly jump to an artist/album/track by clicking an character selector on the right hand side of the screen?

The other thing I just thought of which would also be nice would be that then you are playing music (either from an album, artist or a selected track from the list), when you go back to the list from the now playing screen it should place the list at the last viewed/selected position.

rnb89 2010-10-27 15:34

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Will pay for PRO version..

Dont want lyrics.. Dont want Ads!!!

travik 2010-10-27 15:55

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Another vote for one pro version rather than modules.

And also a vote for gesture control. Winter is here, gloves are on, changing tracks with just a waggle using shake2control and default media player is very nice.

And perhaps most un-Maemo-ish of me I must say the main thing that keeps me coming back to Instinctiv is the eye-candy aspect. It just looks nicer than all the other players.

Anywho, good job, keep it comin.

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-10-27 22:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 853626)
are you going to do a desktop client for OS' othr than Mac?

Mac (the official version), Windows and Linux should all be coming around the new year.

romanianusa 2010-10-27 22:57

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Peter, thanks for the NEW update...but why is the art so small in the landscape mode?? Is it possible to make it bigger. See, one of the coolest things about the portrait mode is the HUGE art display on the screen. That's what makes it so cool

I see flaw design under the portrait mode. Basically, you use the same buttons size as the portrait mode for landscape....that is why it takes up all the space, leaving no space to make the art bigger.

altarMeego 2010-10-27 23:38

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+1 for only 1 pro version

-1 for ads

YoDude 2010-10-28 02:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jer006 (Post 853717)
Peter,
Just testing out the new version and it took a while initially where it was very slow to do anything - even just rotating from portrait to landscape.

It now seems to have settled down and is performing nicely however I noticed something weird with the rotation...

If you hold the device up in portrait it rotates correctly, if you flip the device around it rotates to landscape correctly... However if you set the n900 down flat it appears to rotate to an intermediate state that is neither landscape or portrait as the coverart is beside the track information as in landscape mode but the screen is still in portrait display...

Looks weird and the cover art is truncated as there is not enough room horizontally to display it due to still being in portrait mode...

...

In the real world what this means is:

If you start up in landscape and rotate to portrait no problem. If however, you start it in portrait like from a fixed mount in a car or suttin', you now get a split landscape screen...

I prefer to use a Navigation program in portrait mode as it gives me more "look ahead". Previous portrait only versions of Instinctiv were great and much better than using the OEM player sideways.

Pulling it out of its mount and turning to landscape and then back to portrait solves this problem but it is a PITA that wasn't there before.

I'm back to using OEM now because of this bug in Instinctiv.
If this is all that has changed I'll roll back to Septembers build when I get a chance.
Were there any performance enhancements or was it just this bit?

romanianusa 2010-10-28 03:53

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I am thinking of rolling back to the previous version also because the landscape portrait is too small. The ONLY reason i am attractive to Instintiv is the AWESOME portrait mode w/ BIG ART...if you're creating landscape and make the art small, there is no difference from it compare to the default media player. So i might as well switch back to portrait mode ONLY.

Sorry Peter, that is not going to do it for me. I did suggest whenever you create landscape mode, do it so that the art is as big as the portrait.

ZogG 2010-10-28 04:14

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paid attention that there are /home/user/instictiv and /home/home/user/instictiv directory, that is not in user dir, is it old fixed bug or noone mentioned?

fms 2010-10-28 08:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 854621)
paid attention that there are /home/user/instictiv and /home/home/user/instictiv directory, that is not in user dir, is it old fixed bug or noone mentioned?

Mentioned that before (see above in the thread). Another problem is the requirement for Python to install Instinctiv (its installation and removal scripts are written in Python for some reason).

yamakasi 2010-10-28 09:03

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hey peter can you add an option to save the album cover when using the identify function?

thank you in advance.

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-10-28 12:58

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http://instinctiv.com/n900/102810.deb should fix the orientation bug.

Netweaver 2010-10-28 13:17

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I seem to be the only one having a issue with the version of few days back and the previous version.

The 'oldest' version of the 2 died on me after a few seconds, with no error whatsoever. It has been working fine for a long time. Something in the environment must have changed. But as the software on it is volatile, I can't match the dying behavior with any software (de)install action.

The version from few days back has started once, showed me the main screen for about 2 seconds and then died. Every single time I'm trying to start it now it dies immediately, even without showing the main screen.

Is there any log I can look at to give me a clue what's (not) happening?

I'm still on PR1.2, I'm very happy so far with my machine, no urge to upgrade until all kinks are ironed out in all programs I'm running. My machine is fast (OCed using an extended Ideal profile), stable. All other software is running happily.
I certainly no urge or need to re-flash either :)

Any clue ? Thanks.

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-10-28 13:18

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by romanianusa (Post 854610)
I am thinking of rolling back to the previous version also because the landscape portrait is too small. The ONLY reason i am attractive to Instintiv is the AWESOME portrait mode w/ BIG ART...if you're creating landscape and make the art small, there is no difference from it compare to the default media player. So i might as well switch back to portrait mode ONLY.

Sorry Peter, that is not going to do it for me. I did suggest whenever you create landscape mode, do it so that the art is as big as the portrait.

I'm not sure how the artwork can be the same size and still oriented correctly. Can you provide a rough sketch of what you mean?

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-10-28 13:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Netweaver (Post 855235)
I seem to be the only one having a issue with the version of few days back and the previous version.

The 'oldest' version of the 2 died on me after a few seconds, with no error whatsoever. It has been working fine for a long time. Something in the environment must have changed. But as the software on it is volatile, I can't match the dying behavior with any software (de)install action.

The version from few days back has started once, showed me the main screen for about 2 seconds and then died. Every single time I'm trying to start it now it dies immediately, even without showing the main screen.

Is there any log I can look at to give me a clue what's (not) happening?

I'm still on PR1.2, I'm very happy so far with my machine, no urge to upgrade until all kinks are ironed out in all programs I'm running. My machine is fast (OCed using an extended Ideal profile), stable. All other software is running happily.
I certainly no urge or need to re-flash either :)

Any clue ? Thanks.

Sadly, you might be one of the people that'll need to wait for the mega update we're still working on. It's coming to life so should be out within a week or two at the most. ~ PB

Netweaver 2010-10-28 13:34

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so it looks like you know this problem ?

Thanks for the answer anyway, I'll wait patiently for the mega update to solve the mystery.

romanianusa 2010-10-28 17:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 855237)
I'm not sure how the artwork can be the same size and still oriented correctly. Can you provide a rough sketch of what you mean?

Well you can make the buttons smaller size. And you can realign the buttons to top right and bottom right only...so that you have all the space on the left side for art. Basically dedicate half of the screen for art ONLY.

matt_fantastic 2010-10-28 20:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 855195)
http://instinctiv.com/n900/102810.deb should fix the orientation bug.

Beautiful ! It it just me, or does anyone else find the white text on light blue buttons on the Library screen difficult to read...?

fmo 2010-10-28 21:09

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Ads would ruin the app for me.

I have nothing against paying for the app as it is pretty good.

What would definitely make me buy it straight away is equaliser :)

EDIT: Unfortunately I noticed that it doesn't the support my bluetooth headphones so it's a no-go for me until it supports it.

niqbal 2010-10-28 21:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 855195)
http://instinctiv.com/n900/102810.deb should fix the orientation bug.

just installed it. I had earlier used it when it had just come out. I am impressed by how much you have improved it over time. This project is definitely going in the right direction. keep up the good work

suggestions
album covers need to refresh themselves in the background when instinctiv is loaded or when album window is loaded for the first time. But for now, album covers are only loaded when active in window. Big annoyance. Once it is sorted out. In landscape album view, either cover flow can be added or albums can be shown like in default media player. For now, a lot of real estate is empty and only four albums are shown per page

in Playlists window, Add Playlist button is hidden in the menu (i had to search forums on how to create a playlist). Why not instead have a simple + sign to create a playlist in the bottom right corner. It sounds more intuitive this way.

Once in a playlist, Renaming a Playlist, that option can be in the menu.

Similarly once a Playlist is created, (when playlist is empty) Add Songs window should open automatically. If it is already populated, Add Songs option in the menu is already there to further add more songs later.

mtlsupra 2010-10-29 22:29

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is there a way to make the app used on silent profile? When im on silent, it always mutes it thanks!


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