Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 

Of course it is.. why wouldn't it be...?

Any platform creator/proprietor/developer would want as many users as possible on their creations..

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 

No. I meant exactly what I said. It has absolutely nothing to do with Apple. I've been an investor since the mid-80's and if you're trying to pull in how investors follow trends, let's put that to a rest right now.

The trend is to make money. The other situations, such as historical reasons to invest into a company ideal for altruistic reasons... that's being idealistic. And as of late, foolish.

Speculation is just that... speculation. You speculate like you do a hot area that might or might not have gold. And in this case, to see Nokia go from ~40 per share to ~8 per share, the disappointment is well-deserved. And I'm quite sure the dividends have not remained at the same level. To believe otherwise shows an entire lack of understanding in investing.

Here's your proof. It's currently on par with what was paid out in 2006 - around 48 cents per stock, down from 84 cents per stock in 2008.

This is yet another deflated stock that would probably be worthwhile purchasing - I just bought some - if your goals are indeed long-term and the management shakes out to forge a direction that's accepted by all shareholders as the right step forward.

Right now, that's not the case.

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 

nokia should drop meego and install vsync in maemo.
then game over.
FOR EVERY OTHER PHONE OUT THERE!

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 

What you might see, in terms of openness, is a severe lack of any real difference between Google's Android and Nokia's Maemo (possibly MeeGo, if it maintains the same damned status quo where community can't fix their own bugs for all the closed components Nokia forces into their damned OS images, with no usable alternative OS to turn to on these devices). Basically, it's a lack of advantage compared to Android.

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 

The advantage to MeeGo is that it is not bound to Nokia devices. There are some inescapable bits (thus far) with all ARM devices, namely the 3D drivers and the like tend to be closed. The only handset without this issue seems to be the Aava devkit but, well, yeah.

The -core- of MeeGo is open, which is important. And thus far, it's possible to assemble a MeeGo image with the closed bits pulled in. With luck, anyone should be able to pull those closed bits themselves and merge them with whatever (Linux-based) OS you want to install.

Getting a fully open device would be REALLY FREAKING NICE, but lacking that is not a reason to push towards Google's platform in lieu of MeeGo, IMO.

Driver and binary blob situation being equal between MeeGo and Android, MeeGo is not controlled by Google exclusively. That exclusive control (and single source dependency) makes vendors like Motorola nervous. MeeGo's independence is attractive from the same standpoint that makes the Linux kernel attractive, and hopefully will draw in vendors.

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 

Having lived through the whole N800 era up to now, I'll believe it when I see it. I feel like I can no longer believe that Nokia wouldn't cripple it up like they have so far, even up to today.

So, once again, you're pointing out how Nokia isn't any different from any other not-really-open handset maker, and putting it on even keel with Android. Why bother with Meamo or MeeGo, if I can get better support from another hardware manufacturer and Android keeps getting fixed up and supported better and more often than the Maemo track record this far?

I thought Nokia had provided binary driver bits for Maemo before too. How did that work out? How was getting bugfixes and updates for them? Still seems hostile to open-source. Also, I highly recommend you read http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...00704191126134

Why not? So far, I have pushed associates, friends and family that way and they've been MUCH happier after the N800 fiascos. You have NO idea how much better it has been to support them even though I insist on working in open-source environments. Ultimately, I need to go where the experience is better and Nokia with Maemo has left all of us with painful experiences to remember when the time comes around to purchase new devices and the operating system to work with.

Let's hope that turn into a genuine advantage--MeeGo is a new name, but having Nokia involved makes me wonder how much Maemo status quo will influence the end product and direction.

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 

Haven't really been following the thread..

Just dropped by to say:

Nokia's phones based on MeeGo could very likely be just another N8x0 or N900. It could very well contain other proprietary bits and pieces that make it not run on anything else.

This is not the fault MeeGo though, MeeGo itself (the way it appears to be planned anyway), should not be bound by any hardware requirements short of the hardware that linux itself is bound by.

Remember, MeeGo is just the framework and OS - the UI, Interface, UX, etc.. will all be different from manufacturer to manufacturer and you likely will find manufacturers using MeeGo to sell iphone-like closed phones.

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 

Umm... No :) That's like saying Debian is just a framework and Ubuntu is the OS because it includes all those fancy closed bits and eyecandy tweaks. MeeGo is NOT a framework, it IS a full blown OS. It *can* be customized, preloaded (and diluted) by manufacturers who push it under a different name and/or package, but that does make MeeGo less of an OS.

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 

You're not really helping to argue against anything I just said in this debate. :P

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 

That is very close to how I see it, actually.

Ubuntu is Debian. It's just debian modified, more-so than most phones will be from MeeGo. It would be like, if Ubuntu used debian's own repo's and just setup sudo-packages to pre-install certain configurations.

That is how I see MeeGo operating.

The MeeGo we get from phone to phone is likely to have a very different user experience. Somewhat like the HTC Sense UI vs MotoBlur vs ... the Nook.

And some (or most) of those experiences can and likely will be very proprietary and unable to screw with.

Just because MeeGo goes the way of, say, pulseaudio or alsa or whatever, doesn't mean the end phone based on MeeGo needs to. They can have their own proprietary system in there if they want. Our current issue in Maemo with the audio system is it's not documented, and the core media apps are closed right? Nothing is stopping Nokia from doing this all over again with their phone based on MeeGo.

MeeGo is just the basic OS.. everything on top of that will be up to the discretion of the manufacturer. Unless you're telling me that the Linux Foundation is going to start requiring people using MeeGo to abide by certain rules to using their OS....