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fatalsaint 2010-07-14 23:56
Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 752219)
In car terms, Intel put a body kit on Moblin and called it a day (really, the netbook MeeGo is just that - Moblin), as opposed to Nokia, which got a Moblin chassis and now needs to fit the engine, make a custom bodywork for it, etc. It's no wonder the Intel part is 'more ready'.
I.. am absolutely horrid with cars... but you actually made sense here. Maybe I won't be so critical of the N900's apparent lack of support to-date.

Why did we go with their chassis though... (I know, I know.. whole other debate...)

daperl 2010-07-15 01:04
Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 752216)
This, was exactly what I was saying, is the great thing. Someone can come take MeeGo, butcher it with their own proprietary crap, and it'll sink like a stone because - I sincerely hope - it won't be able to keep pace with working in the open.

Never has there been a better time to show that OSS can shine.
I'm with you, my man.

How about a religion analogy? Android is John the Baptist and MeeGo and/or Ubuntu is Jesus. Android will hopefully keep fighting fragmentation and continue to blaze a trail on Cortex A-[89] platforms that will then allow a real GNU/Linux distribution to smoothly slip-in to say a Motorola Droid or Droid X. That's when we'll know that an OSS handset/tablet OS has arrived.

TI OMAP[34] is the Intel/AMD x86

and

Imagination Technologies is the NVIDIA.

And the in-line kernel changes that MeeGo and maybe Ubuntu will bring will support more and more hardware.

The End of the Beginning.

quipper8 2010-07-15 01:20
Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 752270)
I'm with you, my man.

How about a religion analogy? Android is John the Baptist and MeeGo and/or Ubuntu is Jesus. Android will hopefully keep fighting fragmentation and continue to blaze a trail on Cortex A-[89] platforms that will then allow a real GNU/Linux distribution to smoothly slip-in to say a Motorola Droid or Droid X. That's when we'll know that an OSS handset/tablet OS has arrived.

TI OMAP[34] is the Intel/AMD x86

and

Imagination Technologies is the NVIDIA.

And the in-line kernel changes that MeeGo and maybe Ubuntu will bring will support more and more hardware.

The End of the Beginning.
hallelujah, and then you will be able to buy a mobile computer just like you do a desktop or laptop one now, same hardware, different os possibilities. mix and match your processor, screen size, hard keyboard or no, and have your choice of windows, ios, linux, java(android),bada, symbian, whatever. just like now i can buy some dell models off the shelf and install windows, various linux, opensolaris, macosx, whatever.

daperl 2010-07-15 02:50
Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
I just read that the Droid X bootloader was locked. Does that mean a boot will fail if something such as the kernel-to-be-loaded isn't properly signed?

wmarone 2010-07-15 03:09
Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 752319)
I just read that the Droid X bootloader was locked. Does that mean a boot will fail if something such as the kernel-to-be-loaded isn't properly signed?
Correct. No custom kernels, no custom ROMs.

kureyon 2010-07-15 03:23
Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 752204)
How do you push your platform by shipping devices with the platform you want to capture market share FROM ?
Palm did that when they started selling devices with wince. Didn't stop them from dying though :)

vivainio 2010-07-15 06:09
Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 752270)
Android is John the Baptist and MeeGo and/or Ubuntu is Jesus.
Hope you don't mind me linking to this in my signature (slightly paraphrased for maximum impact ;-).

w00t 2010-07-15 09:37
Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kureyon (Post 752338)
Palm did that when they started selling devices with wince. Didn't stop them from dying though :)
To be fair, I'd not exactly call being purchased by HP 'alive'.

A zombie, even if it still produces phones, is still a zombie. ;)

fatalsaint 2010-07-15 14:21
Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t (Post 752545)
To be fair, I'd not exactly call being purchased by HP 'alive'.

A zombie, even if it still produces phones, is still a zombie. ;)
Just remember... shoot it in the...faceplate? :p

From what I have seen of WebOS though.. I do like it. Hopefully HP can keep WebOS alive... even if Palm is now zombified.

danramos 2010-07-15 22:41
Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 752208)
I'm not saying positive or negative. Just different. Dan obviously has HUGE daddy Nokia (;)) issues... I was saying that I feel/see more influence from Intel than from anything maemo-like in MeeGo.
Heh.. not so much daddy issues as much as maybe trust and abandonment issues with Nokia. :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 752227)
I'm saying what does he expect from Intel? Cuz that's the presence we mostly see (right now, not future) - Now, if he has a specific objection to hating both Intel AND Nokia.. then he can hate on MeeGo too .
I haven't had a lot of exposure to Intel in the way I did with Nokia--but I've seen Intel go both ways. I've seen them work AGAINST open-source sometimes, then work FOR it other times. So, I'm not sure what to think about Intel's involvement.


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