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wmarone 2010-07-29 21:21

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 769645)
Did you say ODROID?

Needs more buttons. More buttons.

Actually that wouldn't be a bad platform for MeeGo development, provided they supplied X drivers for the SGX.

danramos 2010-07-29 21:33

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 769664)
Needs more buttons. More buttons.

Actually that wouldn't be a bad platform for MeeGo development, provided they supplied X drivers for the SGX.

Wait...did you just say "MeeGo gaming platform?" I dunno.. almost sounded like you said "MeeGo gaming platform."

ysss 2010-07-30 04:37

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 769592)
The only thing that makes the N900 a "developer" phone is, well, nothing. It's a not-quite-consumer-ready phone that appeals to *nix geeks. If Nokia makes the "secure mode" thing a simple switch you can turn off, then there's no issue.

I meant the N900 is now the designated (developer) reference platform for MeeGo which probably won't be on sale anymore when MeeGo 1.0 devices get official release. I think that's what makes the N900 a 'developer' phone in my previous remark.

Will the switch also make it simple to replace the proprietary components? (Customization layer, etc)

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It should be completely transparent to the mainstream user. For Nokia, however, MeeGo is a decrease in developmental expenses that directly reduces costs, at the expense of someone's time to keep the device drivers current with whatever kernel/X release is in MeeGo at the time, and that's not much.
Hmm not sure how this relate to 'increasing sales'. If you meant increasing margin/bottomline, then I'd say that the saving in software developing cost is miniscule compared to other costs involved here (hardware design & manufacturing, marketing costs). Especially compared to their already was ongoing maemo efforts.

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I don't think so, but considering that the entire OS is a downstream assembly from numerous independent projects MeeGo is in a far better position than Maemo ever was.

I have seen more than a few people working on Hildon Desktop and Modest in the past couple months, but the lack of effort in this area can be directly attributed to Nokia's weird behavior towards the community..
It's nice to know that, but I've yet to see any significant changes in policy/stance by Nokia to go against their core 'planned obsolescence' strategy. In this case, it's safe to say that their track record and lack of motivation to do otherwise trumps a 'technical possibility'.

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We can't do anything about closed bits. Ironically, the only closed bit I can think of that -directly- impacts performance is microB. Everything else is poorly tuned open programs (iirc) doing things at inopportune times.
Ok, I meant 'performance' in a more general sense. The way it affects user' perception and experience toward the N900 and how it in turns affects the N900 market performance...

boosted_4cyl 2010-07-30 04:42

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
no android

wmarone 2010-07-30 05:50

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 769855)
I meant the N900 is now the designated (developer) reference platform for MeeGo which probably won't be on sale anymore when MeeGo 1.0 devices get official release. I think that's what makes the N900 a 'developer' phone in my previous remark.

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Will the switch also make it simple to replace the proprietary components? (Customization layer, etc)
Well, my assumption is the switch deactivates the DRM features, at which point you can stick with Nokia's stuff or move to a community build, where the proprietary stuff should be replaced.

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Hmm not sure how this relate to 'increasing sales'. If you meant increasing margin/bottomline, then I'd say that the saving in software developing cost is miniscule compared to other costs involved here (hardware design & manufacturing, marketing costs). Especially compared to their already was ongoing maemo efforts.
It's all about the bottom line. By offloading much of the OS development that is rather out of scope for Nokia, they can hopefully work on making the user experience better, which they desperately need.

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It's nice to know that, but I've yet to see any significant changes in policy/stance by Nokia to go against their core 'planned obsolescence' strategy.
Planned obsolescence is basically standard fare for the industry these days, so Nokia is not special here. That said, if they step up and provide proper SGX libraries whenever X gets updated and help keep the kernel current, that's more than most other vendors care to ever do.

All we can do is wait and see, however.

smoku 2010-07-30 09:20

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
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Originally Posted by Maettu (Post 769426)

Yeah. Right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel

ossipena 2010-07-30 09:32

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
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Originally Posted by smoku (Post 770059)

did you understand the wiki article you posted?

besides everyone using android would mean far greater risk of cartel....

smoku 2010-07-30 09:51

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
Gosh.
Do I really have to put it in layman's terms?

Not everything looking like free market and competition is one.
Simply introducing new players to the market does not necessary leads to improvements. There is no free meal. In this case you are for sure introducing ie. fragmentation. And the possible advantages might be simply gamed off by big players of the market.

Now, did you understand the wiki article I posted? ;)

attila77 2010-07-30 10:16

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 769855)
I meant the N900 is now the designated (developer) reference platform for MeeGo which probably won't be on sale anymore when MeeGo 1.0 devices get official release.

Just nitpicking, but due to the silly naming convention, there will actually not be a single MeeGo 1.0 device ever released.

wmarone 2010-07-30 20:53

Re: Topic of the Day: Should Nokia Drop Meego and roll with Android?
 
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Originally Posted by smoku (Post 770092)
Now, did you understand the wiki article I posted? ;)

If you want to look at something that at least has the appearance of being a cartel, look at US cellphone providers and how closely matched all of their service plans are.

Or are you suggesting that Google will collude with the Linux Foundation to fix prices... on what, exactly?


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