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Frank Banul 2010-08-10 22:31
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Press the home button twice?

Frank

silvermountain 2010-08-10 22:34
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Banul (Post 782203)
Press the home button twice?

Frank
Thanks but that's not how I want to get to my Launcher and it goes against what I would consider efficient use - having to go through one feature to get to another. I've tried it a bit now and really dislike that approach.

Thanks for that though - at least I can get to my apps now.
Is there any way to get the soft-icon back in the status bar to launch Launcher from that?

giladmttw 2010-08-10 22:38
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 782185)
I don't think wget supports the same GUI that webhttrack does. I got about 13-15 offline sites that I refer to on a regular basis.
There is no gui just:
Code:
wget -r -l 1 website1 website2 website3
wget has many options, you can pause, resume, update. It's not a gui application but would be worth the little effort to learn how to use it.
Anyway you can use personal-launcher on the home screen for webhttrack until this is solved.

silvermountain 2010-08-10 22:42
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by giladmttw (Post 782216)
There is no gui just:
Code:
wget -r -l 1 website1 website2 website3
wget has many options, you can pause, resume, update. It's not a gui application but would be worth the little effort to learn how to use it.
Anyway you can use personal-launcher on the home screen for webhttrack until this is solved.
Thanks for the option but I'd much rather prefer to use webhttrack as it's all setup now and is working well.
I'm using personal launcher for the display of the off-line sites I have but I have so far been unable to find a way to, from personal launcher, launch the part of webhttrack that gathers/updates the homepages so I'm a little bit dead in the water there until this bug is fixed.

giladmttw 2010-08-10 23:12
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Mitrandir said there will be a seperate launcher status bar applet you can install. You can add commands to personal-launcher. Try in xterm to write webhttrack and then hit TAB twice to see what options it gives you.

silvermountain 2010-08-11 04:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by giladmttw (Post 782241)
Mitrandir said there will be a seperate launcher status bar applet you can install.
That...would make at least me very, very happy - if that applet also disabled the stupid double-click to get to Launcher :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by giladmttw (Post 782241)
You can add commands to personal-launcher. Try in xterm to write webhttrack and then hit TAB twice to see what options it gives you.
Ok, will try that in the morning. Thanks!

Mitrandir 2010-08-11 04:33
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silvermountain
I'm very sorry about your troubles...
The package with two statusbar applets for telescope and for launcher is almost ready, but it needs a bit of work for debianization and packaging.

But i'm sick now (seems like a flu) and feeling myself so bad. But i will try to get this package done today or tomorrow if i will get somehow better.
Sorry :(

silvermountain 2010-08-11 04:35
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitrandir (Post 782489)
silvermountain
I'm very sorry about your troubles...
The package with two statusbar applets for telescope and for launcher is almost ready, but it needs a bit of work for debianization and packaging.

But i'm sick now (seems like a flu) and feeling myself so bad. But i will try to get this package done today or tomorrow if i will get somehow better.
Sorry :(
Don't do ANY work if you're sick man. It's a tablet - not anything to kill yourself over.

giladmttw 2010-08-11 09:24
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitrandir (Post 782489)
silvermountain
I'm very sorry about your troubles...
The package with two statusbar applets for telescope and for launcher is almost ready, but it needs a bit of work for debianization and packaging.

But i'm sick now (seems like a flu) and feeling myself so bad. But i will try to get this package done today or tomorrow if i will get somehow better.
Sorry :(
Take Zinc. One Tablet :)

tso 2010-08-11 12:16
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 782200)
Not the best advice.

I uninstalled Launcher and the Application launching icon disappeared from the status bar. Luckily I had xterm in personal launcher otherwise I'm not sure what I would had done.

But - there was no longer an option in control panel to select the Launcher to the status bar.

(The icon with the many small blue squares is in the Control Panel but the box to select it is greyed out and can't be selected. Gddamn).

I then un-installed Telescope as well and re-installed it.
Still - no way to put the icon (multiple blue boxes) back in the status-bar.

I install the 9k telescope status-bar applet.
Still no way to put the icon back in the status bar (and this applet seems to just be an alternative way to launch Telescope).

I'm so pissed. I had it exactly the way I wanted and now it's an utter mess and I can't even get to my list of applications.

Is there a way to download the version of Telescope prior to this 'merger' with Launcher and I'll install that and then Launcher separately and, if nothing changes, stay away from future versions of Telescope?

I love Telescope and Launcher - but this merger of the two really messed it up for me.

Request: Can you make a "Launcher Status-bar Applet" that a) places the icon back in the status bar and b) disables that double-click-to-get-to-Launcher?
to fix, open control panel > panels and select 3 entries. Then use leafpad or some other editor to open /home/user/.osso/hildon-desktop/tasknavigator.conf, there change the applications-menu.desktop entry to true, and one of the others that read true, to false (so that there are only 3 options selected). then go back to the panels settings to arrange the icons are wanted.

the basic problem is that nokia hardcoded the tasknavigator panel to load applications-menu.desktop (understandable, as loosing it means loosing all ability to launch a program under the default install), so anything that wanted to replace it needs to pretend to be it.

Mgamerz 2010-08-11 15:11
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Perhaps after getting T2 out, you could make T2.1 that has options (say in gconf... which i cant find the .install for (a working one)) that lets you pick which way of opening you have. It'd be a bit of work but it'd keep everyone happy. Except super lazy people.
Can't wait! ALthough i don't like the 2 panels thing. I'm always on the arrow and I hate the arrow... Wish Diablo5 expanded the hildon bar.

giladmttw 2010-08-11 23:55
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mgamerz (Post 783108)
... i don't like the 2 panels thing. I'm always on the arrow and I hate the arrow... Wish Diablo5 expanded the hildon bar.
Mitrandir has already done that and it works fine. 12 icons in the status bar. The test build was posted on the Diablo5 thread I think, but if you are not experienced with editing the theme.xml file then I suggest you wait for the stable release. Go have a look, I posted some screenshots, took me forever to find 12 plugins for the shot :)

Mgamerz 2010-08-17 21:37
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
*awaiting release canidates*

Mitrandir 2010-08-18 15:45
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
telescope-applet 0.2 (extras-devel)
This is promised before package with three applets:
* statusbar applet for launcher
* statusbar applet for telescope
* navigator applet for launcher

Mgamerz 2010-08-18 15:59
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by giladmttw (Post 783639)
Mitrandir has already done that and it works fine. 12 icons in the status bar. The test build was posted on the Diablo5 thread I think, but if you are not experienced with editing the theme.xml file then I suggest you wait for the stable release. Go have a look, I posted some screenshots, took me forever to find 12 plugins for the shot :)
Looked in that thread, all I saw was you saying you had a a hacked hildon file (im still a linux noob) that expanded it, didn't see your xml post.

Mitrandir 2010-08-18 16:06
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There is step by step instruction in that thread thread, explaining how to tweak the existing theme.xml file of Echo theme. But following it you will run a risk of destroying your system ;)

Mgamerz 2010-08-18 16:16
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
:/ I wanted diablo 5 them :/
anyways, installing rc2 refreshed my hildon interface, locking my second row of icons open forcing a complete reboot as I could not access anything, Then, upon reboot, removing my switcher menu so I can install your package of 3, hildon crashed and I had to reboot.
Update: Okay, your package only puts 1 icon in the status bar, however, it matches exactly what diablo5 put so now I have two, may want to update package to fix that automagically.
The new menu is... well it's nice, but make the side arrows bigger. I can't tap them easily.
Also, on telescope itself, the background when in portrait mode does not... tile? the background. Like it used to, I think.
It's a bit laggy for a menu but it's better than the original. However, if you could have tabs for each category say at the top, that'd be great. I have to tap 3 times to get an app in extras and 4 for utilities.

Kroll 2010-08-18 17:37
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You can delet unused applet /usr/share/applications/ and go to statusbar dir.

By the way, a small demo of telescope launcher bar which makes reaching any tab easier. There will be no tab's name in the top and < > buttons on the sides of the screen anymore because of the bar (I forgot to remove it from demo, sorry).http://skriblovsky.net/maemo/Tele-demo.gif

Mgamerz 2010-08-18 18:10
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That demo shows exactly what I had in mind. My right side of my touch screen (on screen finger keyboard, arouhd O) is almost dead. Might have to resend back for a new one from my 3 year warranty.

cstryon 2010-08-18 23:34
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I like it and must have it!. =). will the buttons at the bottom be big enough to be finger friendly? Also, is it possible to but some kind of task manager, kind of like load applet in the new launcher, or in the telescope function,?

Mgamerz 2010-08-19 00:50
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Was using the Telescope Tools (launcher) and then pressed home (I didn't use the home button to get to it). It took me to Telescope itself, but I could not press anything, and the entire device locked up. Even turning it off into charge mode would not fix it.
Update: Noticing now that I cannot start the web application. I press Home, and Launcher pops up (assuming because Telescope is made that way, and since no apps were open it wouldn't open). I have browser switchboard installed for Opera as main. Clicking Web does nothing. I have to go the extras tab and select opera, which is annoying... You need to add tabs to click. And I'm not sure why Web won't load up Opera.

silvermountain 2010-08-21 01:30
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitrandir (Post 790634)
telescope-applet 0.2 (extras-devel)
This is promised before package with three applets:
* statusbar applet for launcher
* statusbar applet for telescope
* navigator applet for launcher
Oh wow, I updated my 'statusbar for launcher' and I am thrilled to have the status-bar option back to launch 'Launcher'.

All is working great and I am one happy TeleLaunch user :)

Btw, what does the "Navigator applet for Launcher" do?

Maybe put a sentence or two next to each of the three bullet points above to help people (like me) :)

Mgamerz 2010-08-21 04:45
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Wish it had a mail notifier. The stock one w/ workaround is so ugly...

silvermountain 2010-08-21 08:01
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mgamerz (Post 793671)
Wish it had a mail notifier. The stock one w/ workaround is so ugly...
I hope it never will.
I'm not a big fan of trying to make one application doing 15 different things and things that are not core to it's basic features.

So far Mitrandir has done an excellent job keeping the app on track and focusing on simplicity so I hope he continues to do so :)

Or do you mean the Notifications that the Diablo5 theme dropped - i.e. not Telescope?

Mitrandir 2010-08-21 08:21
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Navigator applet for Launcher is a optional button in left panel (like PersonalMenu) that calls Launcher. I don't think ‘Navigator’ is good name, but Nokia traditionally calls left panel TaskNavigator. If you use Diablo5, you have no one :)

Notifications are planned, but i didn't started to work on them yet...

taril 2010-08-21 08:47
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Is this already full-animated or still looks flat like on youtube video?

Mitrandir 2010-08-21 08:53
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It is flat and with no animations for now

taril 2010-08-21 09:07
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1234
So? :o)

Mitrandir 2010-08-21 09:11
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
sorry, what?

cstryon 2010-08-22 00:25
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I don't think there should be to much animation if at all.

But what I would like is rotation support for Launcher =)

Mgamerz 2010-08-22 07:10
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 793751)
I hope it never will.
I'm not a big fan of trying to make one application doing 15 different things and things that are not core to it's basic features.

So far Mitrandir has done an excellent job keeping the app on track and focusing on simplicity so I hope he continues to do so :)

Or do you mean the Notifications that the Diablo5 theme dropped - i.e. not Telescope?
But since telescope is replacing the task switcher, and task switcher handled the mail notifications... isn't that a 'basic feature' of what is should be replacing?
Errr I mean Diablo5 dropped, but I guess Telescope will hvae to pick up (since it replaces what got dropped)

Mitrandir 2010-08-22 13:26
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Unfortunately, implementing notifications is not as easy, as replacing F5 action :)

giladmttw 2010-08-22 14:32
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cstryon (Post 794498)
I don't think there should be to much animation if at all.

But what I would like is rotation support for Launcher =)
Since you can have custom commands assigned to hardware keys in telescope, you can use your keys for rotation. Install Knots2 and add this to /etc/telescope.keys :
Code:
press(F7): shell(/usr/share/knots/rotate 3)
press(F6): shell(/usr/share/knots/rotate 0)
Now when you press the home and see telescope, press (+) to portraite and FS to landscape. Knots2 contains a small program that handles the rotation and switches the orientation of the dpad.

giladmttw 2010-08-22 14:42
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Moving the Home menu from the left panel to the status bar, works fine for notification. The ugly icon can be replaced with a nice icon with flowers and hearts and rainbows and butterflies and then all be well with the world.

Mgamerz 2010-08-22 17:17
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by giladmttw (Post 794993)
Moving the Home menu from the left panel to the status bar, works fine for notification. The ugly icon can be replaced with a nice icon with flowers and hearts and rainbows and butterflies and then all be well with the world.
Thta works, but a couple of things:
I don't want another icon...
But I think I'll need one anyways, I don't want an ugly one (which can be fixed)
But it also is so wide that it gets cut off almost 80% of the time depending on where the icon is. Most times, the second row.
Which, randomly locks open the second row which never closes and makes you reboot the device.
Many reasons I do not want the default one :/

giladmttw 2010-08-23 10:46
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mgamerz (Post 795085)
Thta works, but a couple of things:
I don't want another icon...
But I think I'll need one anyways, I don't want an ugly one (which can be fixed)
But it also is so wide that it gets cut off almost 80% of the time depending on where the icon is. Most times, the second row.
Which, randomly locks open the second row which never closes and makes you reboot the device.
Many reasons I do not want the default one :/
I've been using Mitrandir's new build of the status bar so I forget about that limitation. Once this is made public you wouldn't care about an extra icon.

Mgamerz 2010-08-23 11:47
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I tried to make it have that many icons :P All I did though was ruin the interface so you can't do anything, gotta recopy this partition over to that one.

giladmttw 2010-08-23 20:03
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You can use matchbox-remote to try a risky theme. If your theme is felicia and you have made changes to echo, the following command will change to echo, wait 15 seconds and change back to felicia:
Code:
matchbox-remote -t echo && sleep 15 && matchbox-remote -t matchbox-remote -t felicia
This only valid to changes in the theme.xml file:
Code:
/home/user # find /usr/share/themes/ -name theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/echo/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/felicia/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/glasser/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/hendrika/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/plankton/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/tritanium/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/meta/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/vista3.1/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/echowb/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/borg/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/Buuf/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/Buuf-White/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/FreDiablo/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/nuvopearl/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/nuvopearl/matchbox2/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/NuvoClear2/matchbox/theme.xml
/usr/share/themes/Diablo5/matchbox/theme.xml
Plenty of candidates to destroy :)

rocketscientist 2010-09-11 11:02
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Just discovered telescope - love it - thanks to the programmers for a fantastic program!
:):):):):)

Mitrandir 2010-09-11 14:52
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
 
Telescope 2.0~rc3 (extras-devel)
You can specify ‘launcher.disable = yes’ option in /etc/telescope.conf in order to disable App Launcher. Added after several requests from user who want App Switcher but who is ok with built-in Applications menu.

Sorry that development of Telescope was slow in past month. This is due to changes in my regular job (:() and due to my new N900 (:)).


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