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Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
I'm not seeing the update. I'm fairly sure I have extras-devel enabled. :/ sorry...
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Have you tried to manually update package list in appmanager or do apt-get update? I just checked it on my N810 -- it sees the upgrade.
I will try hard to continue development under Diablo, because i love my N810 anyway :) I wish it were possible to put N900's chips into N810's case -- this would be the best device for me! |
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Yeah, I know the lack of processing power of the N810 is starting to show more and more now that it can be compared to newer and more powerful devices. Still, that screen, keyboard and general form factor makes it rather unique - and applications like Telescope makes it more of a joy to use. Speaking of Telescope...what new features do you realistically see in the future for it? Will we see; 1) A replacement of the Launcher 'circles' at the bottom of the screen with the names of the actual categories - and the ability to click on them to go directly to that category folder, 2) A status-bar inside Telescope, 3) Portrait support, 4) Something else? |
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I got the update now too. But it took a while to see it. Thank you for your work mitrander
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silvermountain, lets prioritize tasks that should be done for Telescope. What is the problem #1? #2?
Portrait mode and adding buttons for categories is heavily connected, because both are having to do with reimplementation of onscreen drawing. By the way, how many categories do you have in your menu? I think if we implement category buttons with labels (as on Kroll's mockup), buttons will be somewhat small and labels could be truncated. Not very nice. May be more convient would be two-level icons menu, like with Catorize on Maemo5. I mean when you open launcher, it will display the menu with icons like we have it now, but each icon will represent one category, and after you tap one of them, it opens second-level menu with app icons from this category. Will it be more convenient? Or you don't have many categories and buttons at bottom would be better? |
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Personally, I'd say my top issue is the need for portrait support. I'm not a fan of the two-icon layer approach as it will add steps/clicks in many situations (clicking 'back out' to the top level, clicking to get to the apps in the first place). Maybe the solution is to substitute the row of circles that now are at the bottom of Launcher with - something like Personal Launcher. A row of round, freely definable icons that each represent a category. And you can click on those small icons (1/4th the size of the app icons or so..) at the bottom to go directly to that category. Allow for, say, 10 icons. That might be a pain to code though unless you can leverage the code from Personal Launcher ;) |
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I need a way (like telescope>launcher>script) to kill hildon-desktop... so hopefully stable comes out soon, since the tray keeps locking open, preventing access to apps.
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Telescope won't change apps after viewing the launcher when systemui is not running. One of the window thumbnails is highlighted when home key is pressed but press it two more times and none of the windows are highlighted and tapping anywhere on the screen (thumbnail or desktop) returns to the launcher. Returning to the desktop (tapping on launcher background) and then pressing home key allows a window to be tapped and switched to but none of the windows are highlighted so dpad doesn't work.
I don't know if this is a problem with 2.0~rc3 or if it existed in prior versions but I just found it when I stopped systemui and also tested with powerlaunch. -- Should "press(F6): shell(...)" work when the launcher is visible or only in the task switcher? -- The launcher icons should be moved up a little to increase the area below them for easier swiping. :) |
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Thank you for comments!
key bindings only work in task switcher view for now. Yes, i should activate them in launcher view too. The swiping area, i think, should be increased to whole screen i think :) How can i reproduce the bug you described? Will it appear just after i stop systemui? Or should i do something else? |
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/etc/init.d/osso-systemui stop
Just do that. Fullscreen wipe would be even better, unless its not implemented properly and apps are accidentally launched. |
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I just tried Telescope. It's really amazing how fast it is without all the extra toolkits. Thanks for all the work put into this application.
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Thank you!
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Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I could had sworn that I was able to move around the open apps in Telescope using the escape key. Now that doesn't work any more. Did something break that - or my memory?
If it's broken, and you're thinking about putting it back...maybe make the same function available when viewing apps through Launcher? :) |
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Telescope 2.0~rc4 (extras-devel)
If you don't see update in app manager, please wait a bit and try again :) silvermountain Not exactly. You was able to move around opened windows with F5 (Home) key and to activate selected one with F4 (Menu) key (many users, including me, have swapped Esc and Menu buttons, may be this is why you remember about Esc). Now switching windows with Home key is broken because second F5 press calls Launcher instead. If you have idea about convenient key bindings, please descibe it in details, because i admit that when Launcher was integrated and second F5 key began to show it instead of selecting thumbnails, keyboard control became less useful. Which key for moving around opened windows? Which key to activate selected? Which key to show Launcher? Which key to go back from Launcher to Telescope? Which key to show desktop? |
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Always thrilled to see an update. Not seeing it in App Manager quite yet but will check in the morning. Quote:
How about: Start Telescope: Home Key Start Launcher: Press Home Key again Go from Launcher to Telescope: Press Home key Exit to Desktop (from Telescope): Tap any area outside of the app windows - or press Escape Exit to Desktop (from Launcher): Tap any area outside of the app windows - or press Escape (All the above is the way things work now) If N810 keyboard is open (or an N800): Move around open apps in Telescope: Dpad direction keys Activate app in Telescope: Center key in Dpad If N810 is closed (or an N800): Use zoom + and - keys to move left and right among the apps :) I |
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I'm usually posting update announce here immediately after autobuilder sends me confirmation saying that my package was successfully built. But automatic uploading binary package to repository often takes some more time, from 10 sec up to several hours. So, when you are reading my announce, the package could be on its way to repository yet :)
I'm usually checking if package is ready by this link. But even if new build is here, repository index files could be not rebuilt yet and app manager will not see update in this case. But you can install package by direct link if you're impatient :) Zoom keys for selecting windows is good idea. All other keys already working as you described if remember correctly. Zoom keys can be easily added using /etc/telescope.keys file and i will add them there in next update. |
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Zoom keys to select app and fullscreen to switch to selected app would be a good idea. Escape key could be used to go to desktop from either app switcher or launcher.
And thank you for fixing the systemui bug so quickly, now I can remove it and attach my own! :) |
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Thanks for the update. Always exciting to see updates!
I like the hardware key options Silvermountain suggests. |
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I still would like an easy way to navigate between menus in the Launcher using a hardware key.
My personal suggestion would be to hit "Home" again. Maybe there is a key shortcut I didn't try. |
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Telescope 2.0~rc5 (extras-devel)
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Thanks, can't wait to install this tonight! :)
Edit: Installed and the portrait support is working excellent from what I can tell after 5-10 mins use. Thanks! |
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I agree, excellent work!
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Thanks, guys :)
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Thanks! Impact on swap usage is huge!
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how come telescope doesn't appear in my applications manager?
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excelar8
May be you have it already installed? Try to find it in installed application list. Btw, newer releases of Telescope (2.0) are available only in Extras-devel repository which is not recommended to use unless you are ready to kill your tablet |
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and aren't applications from extras-devel shown in Application Manager if we have the repository enabled? it's enabled in mine so it should appear right? and what do you mean by "ready to kill my tablet"? |
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Right, it should appear there if you have correctly enabled Extras-devel repository.
I meant that Extras-Devel repo contains newest versions of software, and so unstable and buggy. They might have not been tested carefully yet and so can cause various issues. So, it usually advised to not install this repo unless you are ready for problems ;) Telescope is in both Extras (version 1.0.3) and Extras-Devel (version 2.0~rc5). Proof links: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/p...e/t/telescope/ http://repository.maemo.org/extras-d...e/t/telescope/ So, you may check that you have correctly enabled repository. Could you run as root following commands and post here the output: Code:
cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.listCode:
apt-get update |
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here's the extended output:
e/user # apt-get update Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2 Release.gpg Hit https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release.gpg Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Translation-en_US Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/non-free Translation-en_US Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2 Release.gpg Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Translation-en_US Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/non-free Translation-en_US Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release.gpg [489B] Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Translation-en_US Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Translation-en_US Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Translation-en_US Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release.gpg Hit https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release.gpg Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Translation-en_US Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Translation-en_US Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Translation-en_US Get:2 http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release.gpg [189B] Ign http://moff.mozilla.com chinook/release Translation-en_US Hit https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release.gpg Get:3 http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release.gpg [189B] Ign http://moff.mozilla.com chinook/release Translation-en_US Get:4 http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release.gpg [189B] Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Translation-en_US Ign http://moff.mozilla.com chinook/release Translation-en_US Hit https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release Hit https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release Hit https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release Ign http://repository.sygic.com fremantle Release.gpg Ign http://repository.sygic.com fremantle/non-free Translation-en_US Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://codex.xiaoka.com fremantle-1.2 Release.gpg Ign http://codex.xiaoka.com fremantle-1.2/free Translation-en_US Ign http://codex.xiaoka.com fremantle-1.2/non-free Translation-en_US Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2 Release Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2 Release Get:5 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release [7958B] Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release Hit http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release Ign https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release Hit https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages Hit https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages Hit http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release Hit https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages Ign http://repository.sygic.com fremantle Release Hit http://codex.xiaoka.com fremantle-1.2 Release Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/non-free Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/non-free Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Packages/DiffIndex Get:6 http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release [759B] Ign http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release Get:7 http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release [759B] Ign http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release Get:8 http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release [759B] Ign http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release Ign http://repository.sygic.com fremantle/non-free Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://codex.xiaoka.com fremantle-1.2/free Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://codex.xiaoka.com fremantle-1.2/non-free Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/non-free Packages Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/non-free Packages Get:9 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages [5879kB] Get:10 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Packages [602kB] Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Packages Ign http://moff.mozilla.com chinook/release Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://moff.mozilla.com chinook/release Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://moff.mozilla.com chinook/release Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://repository.sygic.com fremantle/non-free Packages Hit http://codex.xiaoka.com fremantle-1.2/free Packages Hit http://codex.xiaoka.com fremantle-1.2/non-free Packages Hit http://moff.mozilla.com chinook/release Packages Hit http://moff.mozilla.com chinook/release Packages Hit http://moff.mozilla.com chinook/release Packages Fetched 6493kB in 37s (173kB/s) Reading package lists... Done W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2 Release (expected fremantle-1.2 but got ) W: GPG error: http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 667387BFFF445C24 W: GPG error: http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 667387BFFF445C24 W: GPG error: http://moff.mozilla.com chinook Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 667387BFFF445C24 W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle-1.2_non-free_binary-armel_Packages) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems /home/user # |
Re: [Announce] Telescope: Graphical task switcher with thumbnails
Ehmm... Which model of the device do you have? N900? :)
Telescope is only for N8x0 tablets. If you have N900, you don't need Telescope — you already have visual task switching and fullscreen application menu in Maemo5. Telescope was created to give the same experience to owners of great but legacy N8x0 devices. Enjoy your N900 ;) |
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oh wtf haha alright sorry for the confusion! i thought telescope was a better visual task swticher cuz they were significantly larger thumbnails as well as its capability in portrait mode lmao.. which raises the question why ours isn't like that
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AFAIK, hildon is fully opensourced now, including hildon2 from Maemo5. So, if you interested, you can freely hack it ;) |
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Add the following line to /etc/telescope.keys
press(F6): shell(/usr/bin/oss-xterm) Press fullscreen key in telescope to launch xterm. Close xterm and you now have a zombie process until you restart telescope. Works with any application launched with telescope's shell command. This bug helped me test zombie highlighting in my app but now I'm finished so you can fix it if you want. :) |
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Thank you! Actually, i have't tested this functionality very carefully (though it was working for a couple of randomly chosen commands). This is easy to fix because i already have working launching code written by angun for Launcher part
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I'm having a few problems on my N800 since I updated to the latest RC version of Telescope. After I first click on Telescope statusbar applet, nothing else will be clickable.
I didn't install anything else, nor did I update any other apps, and it didn't happen before the update. Any ideas? |
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Ouch, sounds like a serious defect :(
Does this happens if you call Telescope with Home key? Or only with statusbar applet? |
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It's definitely the statusbar applet. I uninstalled after confirming it would happen every time - first things on the statusbar stopped being clickable as well as on the desktop, eventually even things on apps you had open as well.
Now I still have Telescope and it works perfectly, just don't have the statusbar installed now so... no bugs with the main app. |
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