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BigBadGuber! 2011-09-10 00:22
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1085290)
You got a little problem matey, the world does NOT want WP anything :rolleyes:
you are right. europe and america are swimming in iphones and androids

gerbick 2011-09-10 01:06
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1085290)
You got a little problem matey, the world does NOT want WP anything
At this moment, I'm willing to bet that Maemo/MeeGo is the harder sell than WP7.

s23pore 2011-09-10 01:21
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Not all of the analysts support having Elop fired, though I certainly do. Take a look at this:

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/St...mview?bn=23441

If a CEOs job requires him to inspire his workforce, innovate, and releasing compelling products in a timely manner that matches or leads the pace at which he competitors issue releases, then Elop has failed miserably and deserves to go. The truth is that this dude defines what it really means to be an utterly inept CEO. Hopefully, Nokia's board of directors wakes up tomorrow and sees the light to send Elop on his way off of a burning platform without any severance.

visN900 2011-09-10 01:38
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let wp come and then we will decide about ELOP.. for me he is doing a fine job!!!

abill_uk 2011-09-10 01:41
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1085297)
At this moment, I'm willing to bet that Maemo/MeeGo is the harder sell than WP7.
If i understand you right then yes WP will sell much easier than Maemo/Meego ever would because Maemo is dead and Meego unfinished and unknown.

If he is a good CEO then he will make this WP platform the best thing since sliced bread because if it is unsupported and unfinished anythng like Maemo was and Meego still is then Nokia will be looking for a new CEO before the end of the year !.

volt 2011-09-10 01:58
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Oh, crud.

I thought this was a new thread. :´(

abill_uk 2011-09-10 02:00
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Microsoft have tons and tons of applications and games already at there disposal and i can bet you the WP os will have the best of everythng installed from the word go including Office, a very luxury Satnav and many many games.

The email client will be probably faultless as with MMS and TXT messaging, none of will have any of the problems Maemo had and Meego may well have as it is unfinished.

I wait with baited breath but i am NOT a Microsoft fan just to put the record straight on here.

volt 2011-09-10 02:06
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I _do_ know better than to discuss with abill, so I will merely point out that the WP os is already in sale, so his claims are easy to compare to the reality.

ysss 2011-09-10 02:29
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Rhetorics and hyperboles.

If one is a good CEO then he will make his company the best in its business in the world. Carving their niche with superior USP and driving innovation to bring continued success for their organization and to build up their brand name, yadda yadda.

Sure.
How?
Is it realistic enough?

Zoxir 2011-09-10 02:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1085308)
Oh, crud.

I thought this was a new thread. :´(
You and me both brother xD

As far as the Elop being a good or bad CEO the numbers speak for themselves but we will have to wait until Microsoft delivers another fail in their history of fails in the mobile market before we see him, his strategy, and his war of ecosystems(WoE :D as in WoW) departure from nokia if there's a nokia left at that point.

bandora 2011-09-10 02:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1085273)
He is having a great success. He has finally taken symbian out of the grips of deadwood, and shoved it where it belongs. And he realized that Nokia just cant make good software, hence focus on what it does best: hardware. And even there Nokia has a tall order:

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/...s/td-p/1122467
Are you on crack? Then what do you call MeeGo... MeeGo with Swipe UI > WP7 with Metro UI.. It's the terrible management and execution is what Nokia is suffering from.

BigBadGuber! 2011-09-10 03:56
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bandora (Post 1085317)
Are you on crack? Then what do you call MeeGo... MeeGo with Swipe UI > WP7 with Metro UI.. It's the terrible management and execution is what Nokia is suffering from.
I like crack. NOKIA is lost. Elop is helping them stay in the race. simple as that bud

gerbick 2011-09-10 04:48
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1085323)
I like crack. NOKIA is lost. Elop is helping them stay in the race. simple as that bud
What are you willing to wager?

abill_uk 2011-09-10 05:31
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1085332)
What are you willing to wager?
I will wager you one farthing :D

gerbick 2011-09-10 05:41
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1085338)
I will wager you one farthing :D
You got yourself a deal. Especially if it's a vintage copper farthing.

abill_uk 2011-09-10 05:47
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1085339)
You got yourself a deal. Especially if it's a vintage copper farthing.
DAMMMM you know too much :p.

ericsson 2011-09-10 06:31
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1085117)
If I was Microsoft, I would really worry if Nokia can even deliver the hardware

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/...s/td-p/1122467
What a load of fantasy scarecrow bullocks. You don't get to chose the factory of your phone.

I have had more phones than the average dude, MUCH more. They come from all manufacturers, Nokia, Samsung, SE, Palm, HTC etc etc, even a couple of Chinaphones. To this date I have never had any problems with any of them, not the kind I couldn't fix myself, or that wasn't fixed through software update.

I have lost them in the toilet, my P1i was lost in the snow outside my home after a "couple" of beers at the pub. I found it two days later when it started raining. It works fine today. My N900 I sent into the pavement when reaching for it and had to jump away from a car at the same time. Changed the bezel and the digitizer screen, and is as good as new.

SE and HTC will disintegrate by themselves after 6-12 months of hard use (with a few noteworthy exceptions like the P1i and the Magic), but they keep on working. Samsung and Nokia will go on forever, but there are are a few exceptions there as well. Palm would also self destruct.

gerbick 2011-09-10 06:40
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1085356)
You don't get to chose the factory of your phone.
But I sure as hell know who will sell me my next phone.

abill_uk 2011-09-10 08:28
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1085357)
But I sure as hell know who will sell me my next phone.
WHO ??????? come on i wanna know :p

patlak 2011-09-10 11:04
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1085323)
I like crack. NOKIA is lost. Elop is helping them stay in the race. simple as that bud
Mind sharing, HOW?

patlak 2011-09-10 11:06
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1085291)
you are right. europe and america are swimming in iphones and androids
You forgot about your allergy........SYMBIAN.

patlak 2011-09-10 11:09
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by s23pore (Post 1085301)
Not all of the analysts support having Elop fired, though I certainly do. Take a look at this:

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/St...mview?bn=23441

If a CEOs job requires him to inspire his workforce, innovate, and releasing compelling products in a timely manner that matches or leads the pace at which he competitors issue releases, then Elop has failed miserably and deserves to go. The truth is that this dude defines what it really means to be an utterly inept CEO. Hopefully, Nokia's board of directors wakes up tomorrow and sees the light to send Elop on his way off of a burning platform without any severance.
It's hard for the board to do that now, they are pretty much owned by MIcrosoft now. You can tell by the reception of MeeGo and Symbian Belle, and yet no action against Elop.

patlak 2011-09-10 11:10
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by visN900 (Post 1085303)
let wp come and then we will decide about ELOP.. for me he is doing a fine job!!!
Doing a fine job at getting Nokia extinct.

blipnl 2011-09-10 11:15
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Looking at Nokia a la 2011, I can see why you guys revived this oldie thread :D

/Agree

gruik 2011-09-10 11:59
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If Elop's job was to destroy Nokia then indeed he's succeded...

BigBadGuber! 2011-09-10 12:36
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1085356)
What a load of fantasy scarecrow bullocks. You don't get to chose the factory of your phone.

I have had more phones than the average dude, MUCH more. They come from all manufacturers, Nokia, Samsung, SE, Palm, HTC etc etc, even a couple of Chinaphones. To this date I have never had any problems with any of them, not the kind I couldn't fix myself, or that wasn't fixed through software update.

I have lost them in the toilet, my P1i was lost in the snow outside my home after a "couple" of beers at the pub. I found it two days later when it started raining. It works fine today. My N900 I sent into the pavement when reaching for it and had to jump away from a car at the same time. Changed the bezel and the digitizer screen, and is as good as new.

SE and HTC will disintegrate by themselves after 6-12 months of hard use (with a few noteworthy exceptions like the P1i and the Magic), but they keep on working. Samsung and Nokia will go on forever, but there are are a few exceptions there as well. Palm would also self destruct.
The latest Nokia products are having issues. More so than fruit phones. I think that manufacturers are defecting to higher volume products like Samsung and Apple. NOKIA will not be able to get as favorable deals as its volumes drop

BigBadGuber! 2011-09-10 12:47
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1085479)
You forgot about your allergy........SYMBIAN.
no symbian left in America. havent seen nokia phone in the us over the past 10 years. only Taleban penny phones

i was amazed how much iphone has penetrated europe. in stockholm i saw more iphones on the streets than nokias

mikecomputing 2011-09-10 13:13
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by s23pore (Post 1085301)
Not all of the analysts support having Elop fired, though I certainly do. Take a look at this:

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/St...mview?bn=23441

If a CEOs job requires him to inspire his workforce, innovate, and releasing compelling products in a timely manner that matches or leads the pace at which he competitors issue releases, then Elop has failed miserably and deserves to go. The truth is that this dude defines what it really means to be an utterly inept CEO. Hopefully, Nokia's board of directors wakes up tomorrow and sees the light to send Elop on his way off of a burning platform without any severance.

thing is stockholder and operators seems to like him cause of his good talks(means brainwach...)

mikecomputing 2011-09-10 13:15
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1085305)
If i understand you right then yes WP will sell much easier than Maemo/Meego ever would because Maemo is dead and Meego unfinished and unknown.

If he is a good CEO then he will make this WP platform the best thing since sliced bread because if it is unsupported and unfinished anythng like Maemo was and Meego still is then Nokia will be looking for a new CEO before the end of the year !.
so this week maemo is dead nice. lets see what random abil_uk says next week....

afaq 2011-09-10 13:33
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I'm about to go out and enjoy some sunshine. By the time I'm back I want more reading on why wp7/flop will fail, why symbian blows, why meego rocks and why we all think gerbick/Dan can help Nokia succeed.

ammyt 2011-09-10 13:35
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HOT FROM THE PRESS!

Chuck Norris hired as NOKIA's new CEO:
Linky

patlak 2011-09-10 15:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ammyt (Post 1085569)
HOT FROM THE PRESS!

Chuck Norris hired as NOKIA's new CEO:
Linky
Was that his campaign song??? Young little Chuckie :)

gerbick 2011-09-11 00:23
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1085479)
You forgot about your allergy........SYMBIAN.
Symbian is a non-factor in the North American market. Symbian isn't a factor in Japan either.

So unless you were to add a qualifier of Europe or Asia to your sentence, to us North Americans, Symbian doesn't even register as an option. Nokia has been long relegated to cheap candy bar or flip phones. And even those really don't sell... they're given away and still count for less than a small percentage of the phones in the US.

danramos 2011-09-12 08:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1085866)
Symbian is a non-factor in the North American market. Symbian isn't a factor in Japan either.

So unless you were to add a qualifier of Europe or Asia to your sentence, to us North Americans, Symbian doesn't even register as an option. Nokia has been long relegated to cheap candy bar or flip phones. And even those really don't sell... they're given away and still count for less than a small percentage of the phones in the US.
Actually, Nokia phones are quickly dropping marketshare in Asia too... so that doesn't even favor Symbian (or anything from Nokia at all) at this point. Here, in the USA, Nokia is usually found in those cheap pay-as-you-go throw-away phone packages. I haven't seen a NOKIA phone being sold as a serious, high-quality, compelling phone in years.

volt 2011-09-12 13:13
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Here in Scandinavia, Nokia used to be wide spread. Phones like the N95 and others have been popular amongst my coworkers. Phones like the N97 and N8 have ended people's relationship with Nokia.

Samsung is the new standard.

patlak 2011-09-12 13:50
Re: Nokia wants new CEO: Report
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1085866)
Symbian is a non-factor in the North American market. Symbian isn't a factor in Japan either.

So unless you were to add a qualifier of Europe or Asia to your sentence, to us North Americans, Symbian doesn't even register as an option. Nokia has been long relegated to cheap candy bar or flip phones. And even those really don't sell... they're given away and still count for less than a small percentage of the phones in the US.
I am aware of that. My response was meant for his hatred towards Symbian, and yet he didn't have any proper experience on it. Just to be clear ;)

hotnikkelz 2011-09-12 14:50
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I agree with both parties (gerbick/ramos vs bigbadgruber) on many points.
On BBG's side I agree that...
This is the first time in ages that I've seen Nokia actually DO something than just watch everyone fly past them

That symbian was suffering...way before Elop arrived, Nokia's pride and complacency to blame. Shoddy hardware, very slow software production. Remember the n97 :'(

That WP7 is not a bad strategy per se

gerbick/ramos side...
Elop's mouth and fingers are too big. Microsoft strategy became bad when Elop opened his big fat mouth and typed his big stupid public memo essentially killing any symbian credibility it had left. Had he not chastise symbian and just INTRODUCE a WP7 strategy alongside what existed, Nokia interest would not have plummeted the way it did.
That's not something a sensible CEO does, Symbian IS the BLOOD of Nokia, you can't prematurely drain your blood, when your new donor hasn't even reached yet.

We have no idea what the microsoft strategy will garner for Nokia, but we do know the facts. And that fact is, Nokia plummeted severely when Elop talked about burning platforms. Chances are it would've anyway if Nokia continued on the path they were going...but doubtful that it would've been this drastic.


As for me personally. I'm not a fanboy of any particular platform (i do favor FOSS though and Nokia hardware). If an OS suits my needs I'm good. I understand there are many microsoft haters here, that's cool, there are many many reasons to hate them. I'm glad there are so many CHOICES now. There is no need to chastise a particular platform as everyone has different needs. WP7, android, Blackberry OS 7, iOS and Symbian belle are all good IMO, all with strengths and weanesses depending on what u fancy. However we can only wait and see what happens with NOKIA. I intend to get WP7 cuz well it's cheap as hell, and very functional from my experience with it, free Office, and stellar email and exchange support among other tidbits? thank you kindly.

The power users who are Nokia lovers that reside here, well you guys are kinda screwed and you all have a right to hate Elop for it :D meego/harmattan didn't need to go down like that, WP7 or not. Keep in mind though, from what i see on blogs etc, a lot of people are simply waiting for Nokia to get WP7 on it, sad but true. You all are in the minority, the niche, you won't be catered for regrettably :( The only hope and it's a big one, is that they Nokia would do both WP7 and Meego in parallel. I'm so wishing that they would, Nokia would kill everyone if they did.

BigBadGuber! 2011-09-12 15:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1086854)
I am aware of that. My response was meant for his hatred towards Symbian, and yet he didn't have any proper experience on it. Just to be clear ;)
I see that you got spanked for you inaccurate comments above. I do not hate Symbian. Symbian was a king that got overrun and overtaken by Android and iOS. Compared to those two, Symbian is buggy, and not user friendly. The whole world is voting on it by bying Androids and iphones. I loved my E71 for the built, but its mail for exchange could not compete with BB or iphone. Simple things, like the font, were too small for average user, and you had to download psiloc magnifier to read without going blind. Small thing like these is what turned off the consumers.

Elop may have been too loud with his announcement. However, I think he was trying to define a vision for the company and employees. The changes are painful, but without it NOKIA has no chance

danramos 2011-09-13 07:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1086889)
Elop may have been too loud with his announcement. However, I think he was trying to define a vision for the company and employees. The changes are painful, but without it NOKIA has no chance
What employees? You mean the DROVES of them that no longer work there, to be replaced by outsourcing and Microsoft development? :P I'm sure that also garnered a TON of goodwill and couldn't have POSSIBLY tarnished the brand even at home, right? I'm not so optimistic about their chances... on soooo many levels.

hotnikkelz 2011-09-13 10:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1087297)
I'm not so optimistic about their chances... on soooo many levels.
Really?! I couldn't tell :D hehe


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