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What far more intriguing is that you're not interested to know why, therefore seeming a tad aloof and probably a little Apple-fanboiesque creepy. :)

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Where have I been spanked? Gerbick tried to clarify that Symbian has a very tiny reach in the United States. I am fully aware of that, even though I am European (lived 3 years in the states). I am against people who judge based on videos and not on persoal experience. Symbian only lacked on hardware after OMAP 2420 devices. Even during the N95 era, Nokia failed to utilize the GPU in the OS.

Remember this video???

If only nokia headed in that direction, we would've had Maemo 6, Symbian Belle much earlier and even N-Gage would have been alive, iOs would've been in trouble and Android penetration would not have been as good.

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I wouldn't use the word "creepy" out load, if I was Mr Droid CyanogenMod himself, as you apparently are.

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Why not? (btw, s/out load/out loud/)

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It's not that I'm not interested, but you already come across as a FOSS and Android guy by your posts and sig. I naturally assumed anything related to microsoft products in mobile isn't to your and most posters' here fancy, given their history. If your reason is akin to that, then there's no need to explain.

Also, I'm not an Apple fan in the slightest....out of all the platforms it's the one I dislike the most. As i will keep saying. I hope that the partnership with Nokia turns out to be successful because I like Nokia, and I'd like to see them return to their glory, no matter what strategy they use and whether or not I agree with it or not (which I don't mind you)

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My intention was to point out that it came across in that weird Apple fanboiesque, blind-faith sort of way--not to imply you yourself are into Apple products. :)

I take your point, though. Although, in frank honesty, I just can't see how Microsoft can manage to save the day after they've managed to make so many enemies of other companies that they've stepped on over the years, the customers they've annoyed and disappointed over the years and the vendors and salespeople who've been promised a success THIS TIME every time a new Windows mobile device came out (and recently, even their DESKTOP/LAPTOP sales have been incredibly disappointing... much to the anger of hardware manufacturers who depended on Windows Vista and then Windows 7 to sell new hardware). From the desktop to the hand-top, Microsoft has been turning increasingly sour over the past decade--particularly over the past two years.

So, to sum up, regardless of my prejudices or preferences, it doesn't seem to me that Microsoft will save the day... and those droves of employees that USED to produce Finland designed hardware and software are mostly gone, replaced instead with yet another American company's product by a Canadian lap-dog to Microsoft. Mind you--I'm an American, and even I would REALLY prefer to see more of a fight out of Nokia... not this. This is pathetic and Microsoft is no savior. The droves of ex-employees can't even support this on so many levels.

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Let the past be the past man, look forward to a better future where competition breeds change and everyone is FORCED to deliver now or be left in the dust. It shows, look at Nokia now, look at Microsoft now, look at where Google is heading ;) EVERYONE has had bad experiences with microsoft this is common place, and it has shown in their wp7 sales among many of their other products.

Unfortunately, though Microsoft still hold the desktop OS monopoly, but everywhere else, they must work. They have ZERO excuses now and I'm happy to see the changes they made. It's the reason why win 7 is a hit. I'm not sure I get what you mean when you say that they are sour over the past 2 years. I'm having better experiences than I ever did from Microsoft theses past 2 years. What do you refer to exactly?

An hour ago, I looked at windows 8 and it looks spectacular. Without competition we might have been on an ie6 type browser still. Now ie9 is actually w3c standards compliant. They've come a long way in 3 years imo.

Now on Nokia, the sole reason as to why i disagree with the strategy is simple, it's because I deem it unnecessary. QT development with proper management is all they needed, windows phone seems unnatural to Nokia...so different from how they do things. It is too radical and unnecessary change. I also doubt Microsoft is the savior, but you never know. Feedback on wp7 on a nokia device seems really positive all over the web. That may disgust you, but it's a fact.

Now, I'm not sure of the details of the contract, nor do I know of the statistics of their engineering team nor their talent nor their capability in their current state, but i think they'll be fine on all points. In the end, CEOs come and go....and the boards decision is subject to change before they crash and burn. Nokia is still one of the top ten brands in the world with a hyperextensive portfolio in all mobile technology.

What is most important is that FOSS in the form of QT will live, and can readily be picked up by anyone even Nokia at anytime....and it won't be too late. n9 proves that.

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Actually feedback on MeeGo on a Nokia device is positive and lately Symbian Belle got in on that action. There is a burst in wonder as to why Nokia chose WP7, when it has Symbian Belle, MeeGo and N9, N950, which are way ahead of anything WP7 from Nokia so far. Limiting markets and production of N9 is also inexplicable, or Elop is just packing it all much earlier in a coffin.

Unfortunately, for WP7, it has not been such a case. Also, current sales of WP7 prove the acceptance it got from people.

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I hope all of the negative characters here like danramos and patlak do better in their regular lives. Such negativism about current Nokia course is a simple nostalgia for bygone times. I am glad none of you head anything, I would feel really sorry for your employees. If you are so negative about the current course, start your own Meego company and show us how its done.

Elop gave you N9. Nokia is stupid in even doing that. When survival is on the line, you have to focus on your best chances. Meego isnt it

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stop defending elop

he is a idiot, period, internet agree with us.

deal with it.

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I'm pretty sure me, my friends, associates and customers have been quite happy, and not really looked back at Nokia (despite my constant hope that Nokia would be smarter than this). I, for one, am better than being led down the blind path you're traveling and drinking that WP7 Kool-Aid. Let's see if it'll keep hobbling along as if it had injured legs like it has for the past decade. I'll bet it'll end up showing Balmer sweat-stains for trying.

http://www.gsmdome.com/wp-content/up...10/ballmer.jpg

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See... y'all laughed at me when I mentioned the lack of sweat stains in the prior bicycling image that was supposed to look like him.

Ballmer is a definite sweating type of dude. But I fear that looks more like drool stains.

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He just needs to buy an iPhone... it just works?

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iphone works. you can text and masturbate at the same time. have you tried it?

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This has gotten a bit heated. Exchanging opinions is fine, even emphatically, but cut the personal slams.

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This is how I imagine myself if I were the CEO of NOKIA :D

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No doubt...and I have NEVER said otherwise. As i said before going WP7 is not the problem, the problem is focusing solely on it, and that is what I don't like about Elop.
I'm also unsure as to why you say Meego etc are way ahead of WP7, because from what I've seen they're not. Each has stuff that the other lacks and vice versa. eg Can u edit documents on n9? no you can't at least not yet. Does WP7 have vpn? no it doesn't not yet.

I also agree that going WP7 is inexplicable, very unnecessary. We are on the same page minus the Microsoft hate.

Listen, the reception for initial release of wp7 was bad yes, but not set in stone. They've improved it drastically. They rushed it out to market and the lacklustre hardware attempts from the OEMs didn't help either, considering the alternatives, it was bound to be sucky. Are you all REALLY not seeing ANY merit in wp7 platform? really? How many of you have used a phone with WP7 mango?

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This is a Nokia forum thats why so what do you expect on here ??? :rolleyes:

Microsoft will only be welcome here when it is called Microsoft.org ;)

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Wait... what!?

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This is the meamo forum. Hmmmmmm, or did I forget where I am, again?

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WOW you only made ONE post since you join in 2009, blimy something must have shook you to make that one :p

Must thank your first post and welcome to the world of posting :D.

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Whatever it is worth, yes, this is my only account on tmo.

I don't mean to be a ***** about it, but I'm here for meamo information for my n810 and n900, not any other platform or any other device. I am a proud owner of these Nokia machines. If I was clever enough, I would publish any software I could develop. But, I am not, and so I don't. So, here we are today, in a forum thread discussing the future of the Nokia company that we consumers do not control. I do not own any stock or have any ownership within Nokia. At random, I log in to tmo and read these threads to keep up with current technology. But, today, this thread caught my eye as I have not yet witnessed any other information of a Nokia CEO change on other forums/blogs/etc.

So, here I am, reading about iPhone masturbation techniquies and whatever the **** is 'microsoft.org'.

I'm sorry, abil_uk, I didn't intend to make my 2nd post to be aggressive towards you. I only came here to play The Mana World.

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Is ok no offence taken and am sorry you coud not come to post at such a seemingly bad time but there is hope because the CSSU team are doing wonders these days and a new release seems to be very promising indeed.

As for Microsoft.org.... i was taking the pisss ;)

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Wow, if we don't agree with Elop's idiotic plan, we must be negativists in our regular lives. Dude you have seriously mastered the human psychology.

Elop's plan is nowhere to be seen. He cancelled N950 and if the rumor is true, limited N9 to 100000 devices on tiny markets. It's a wonderful plan to kill devices that raised share prices on announcement, received positive feedback from people and continue stubbornly with his tunnel vision in producing a single WP7 device in Q1 2012. If you were smart, you would just buy an HD2 and install WP7.

CONCLUSION: We are negative because his plan, in short, is CRAP for the consumers, but perfect for bankrupting a company.

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What do you mean Elop gave us the N9?, for your information the N9 was in the development stages well before Elop even had anything to do with Nokia.

Your so obsessed with the iphone that you just do not like Nokia one least bit YET you come on a Nokia based forum and tell everyone how bad Nokia is and how good Elop is.... mate you need your head examined if you even think you will gain any popularity from this Nokia based forum !.

I am actually shocked you drag down people who have actually thanked some of your posts.

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Masturbating on texts.....NO.....I've never tried it.

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They are ahead in the sense that they have 2 devices ready for launch. They have only been sabotaged in order to make space for the new supposed "bulletproof" WP7 plan. MeeGo, even if it did lack in some areas, by releasing the N9 and N950, Nokia could have invested resources completely on MeeGo instead of WP7. By now it would have received updates, would gather third party developers and Nokia could be releasing a third device Q1 2012. This is how it is ahead. WP7 is just an imagination now, nothing has been shown ready and it is not Nokia proprietary OS. You are right in saying that they should have used WP7 as an experiment and check reception in regard to MeeGo. But a full focus on WP7 is seriously inexplicable and must have a background which we, the public, wil never know.

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ROTFLMAO....heed this information from the master of gaining popularity on this forum...hahahhaa:D

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Ah I get you now and I agree.

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Where do you want to go today?
You'll go where we tell you to go,
because we're Microsoft.
Go ahead.
Tell your boss you want to use something else.
Good luck. :)

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I aint interested in popularity and that post was having a dig at someone preaching iphone on this forum.

I have my views and i do care a hoot who agree's or not but at least i do it Nokia biased and in the right forum for Nokia :p.

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Elop gave you N9, just as much as he took Symbian away. He was hired with a specific purpose, get the company on the right track, before it implodes. NOKIA was spread thin, with inferior products in many segments. You are arguing that NOKIA should have focused on Meego, Maemo or whatever. Maemo has been around longer than iphone and what was it market share? Zero.

N9 is an iClone. I will buy it because I think it will be good, it has features that iphone should have. But I will be on record: the battery life will be worse than iphone, the VKB will be worse than iphone and it will be buggy, and no apps. If Elop really wanted to kill N9, he could have easily killed it.

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Maemo was used on NITs, not on actual phones. Elop didn't bring N9, he killed it. Also, iphone clone? You really sank to a new low with your posts. I don't see any similarities, but I do see Apple copying Symbian.

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In the developed world, consumers want iphones and droids. People have voted loudly with their money. They DO not want Taleban S40 penny phones and Symbian buggy crap. N9 will change nothing. N9 is an iClone. Maemo has been around for years and how well did it sell? N9 offers some improved functionality, but not enough to cause a revolution or change the financial equations. Just look at the worldwide build up surrounding iphone 5, http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia...ate=ytd&sort=1

as compared to N9. Its amazing how different the two curves are.

The strategy that Elop chose makes more sense than any other strategy. I hope they continue to innovate and continue to produce good hardware. But even that is a problem these days for Nokia: http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/...s/td-p/1122467

If I were MS, I would seriously wonder if NOKIA can deliver as a partner. There is something rotten in NOKIA, and Elop may not have been able to remove all the rot yet.

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Excuse me? Ever heard of MOAP-S? It is declining now, but the historical situation and marketshare of Symbian in Japan has always been very, very different to that in the US.

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1) In the "developed" world, we spell it "buggy Symbian crap", not otherwise ("Symbian buggy crap").

2) People want Droids and iPhones, because those are what corporations try to sell them ("ecosystems" a.k.a. vendor lock-in), hence why those corporations invest heavily in marketing. Most people are driven by marketing / commercials, not by interest / curiosity / technical abilities.

3) Maemo received almost no marketing because of reasons already talked over and over. Now go figure out the most important dependency between 2) and 3).

4) Droids and iPhones provide lesser functionality and easier handling / more visible polishing ("shiny GUI FX and high FPS"), that's the second most important portion of their success story, among way more marketing / a larger salesforce. Most people are technically inept (see trisha02 for an example).

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Note the contextual connotation to Symbian being a "has been" in the passage above, not "is". Let me remind you that the person you quoted said that, in Japan, it ISN'T a factor. They didn't say that it HASN'T BEEN a factor.

We now return you to your regular thread.

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But.........but, N900, N950, N9 and all of current and previous Symbian phones are iPhone clones. Everybody like iphone, it's the original, everything else is copyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy............

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10 PRINT "buggy Symbian crap"
20 PRINT "Droids and iPhones marketing"
30 GOTO 20
35 GOTO 30
40 PRINT "UI: Better tasting, Less filling"
RUN
buggy Symbian crap
Droids and iPhones marketing
Droids and iPhones marketing
Droids and iPhones marketing
Droids and iPhones marketing
Droids and iPhones marketing
Droids and iPhones marketing
Droids and iPhones marketing
Droids and iPhones marketing
...etc :)

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As much as i want to see your point i cannot because i cannot for the hell of me see what the similarities are between the iphone and the N9... care to tell me?.